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Since Spark gave the okay, here it is.

Only one rule: all discussion is fine "as long as all the chatter stays related to BB". So talking about tourneys and all that is fine, but drunk off-topic "FML" posts are not.

This thread should keep the others cleaner and more focused, so all the random Haku stuff can go here.

First order of the day: finding a cool thread title because I can't think of one atm.

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62146C damage 3500 p2 60
632146Cmax damage 5000 unblockable only regular and max charge, no other charge levels
632146C wave 2500
632146C OD damage 4000
632146Cmax OD same as other max
EAslow startup 20 active 4 recovery 20
EAfast startup 10 active 4 recovery 20

caveats: i can't read all the stuff in the diff, especially stuff that involves charging like crush triggers and 6C, so i'm definitely missing stuff there (primarily timing info)

why did i do hakumen? because i figured his moves were pretty easy, so i'd be least likely to screw it up haha. please let me know if you notice any errors

So as in previous games, Hakumen's combos are primarily by the Magatama count; broadly speaking, "More Magatama used = Higher combo potential", in other words you get far more for using more Magatama per combo. However, you don't want to overextend and leave yourself with nothing at the end of every combo, so meter management is essential at higher levels of play. You want to get as much out of your combos with the amount of Magatama used, whether it's for damage, corner carry, okizeme, etc etc. 

Listed below are some practical BnB's to get a good idea, in addition to Challenge Mode:

Special thanks to KirbyMorph for recording these for us to use.

This is the combo Evernote, which is still being worked on and revamped as we speak, so please bare with us if some things are incomplete; Hakumen has a lot of combo potential that is continuously discovered, so it's impossible to list everything he can possibly do. Feel free to help and post your own combos and they will be added to the Evernote if it's deemed practical enough.

It's also highly recommended to join the Hakumen Discord and to follow various players on Twitter, as it is a simple and easy way to get in contact with us whenever we aren't on the forums. If you need a link, it's located here.

Ask any game play related questions about Hakumen here.

Also people who are answering questions posted should quote the entire question.

If you're new to Hakumen read this!

How do I do Hakumen's basic BNB (Starter > 623AA > jc > falling j.2C > 2C > j.2A > jc > j.2C > 5A > j.2A > jc > j.2C > 5A > 5B > j.B > j.2A > jc > j.C)?

Who does j.2A > j.C work on in the corner?

How many j.2C > 5A reps can you get off *?

A Normals:

5A - Lost the ability to gatling into 6A, and on hit no longer launches as high on normal or counter hit. 5A CH > 5C is still possible, though harder to confirm and the damage is much lower than before. Still a fast anti-air that's useful against some characters, although the risk vs reward makes it not really worth it.

2A - Now gatlings into 2A, 2B, and 5B much faster than before. This really helps the up close game against Tager because with this change Tager can no longer IB 360A in between 2A > 2A. Can now late chain/combo into 3C which lets him get knock down without spending meter. Bad P2 means it's no longer the go to move for hit confirming.

6A - Has a worse P1 and is now -4 on block instead of -2, so it's more risky to use in block strings. Lost it's wall bound effect.

j.A - Can now gatling into air throw. So it's now useful for air TRM setups. Other than that no real changes.

j.2A - Now jump cancelable and knocks the opponent upwards instead of back. Still good for cutting projectiles.

B Normals:

5B - P1 buff. No other changes as far as I can tell.

2B - P1 and P2 buff. It is also level 3 meaning you can combo into 623AA even if they're standing. Got 4 extra active frames, but went from +2 to -4. This should be the go to move for hit confirming.

6B - P1 up to 90 from 50. On CH now ground bounces so you can combo off it with RCing.

j.B - Lost a few frames of untech time and it's hitbox is not extended all the way on it's first active frame.

C Normals: All C normals in general got proration buffs and damage buffs. Just pointing this out now so I don't have to mention it for all of them.

5C - Hasn't changed from Extend.

2C - Launches higher than before. Still has long untech time on CH.

6C - Lost a small amount of damage from Extend. Although it now fatal counters even when it's uncharged. Level 3 forces fatal counter.

4C - Can be canceled before starting up by press A. No longer in CH state for the entire duration of the move. Fully charged 4C CH combos into 6C level 3.

3C - Can now combo into 5C or 2C on CH and it's start up got sped up from 9F to 8F. On block it is -12 so it is pretty unsafe.

j.C - Got the biggest damage buff from 900 to 1300, now causes wall stick if the opponent is in the corner, and it is back to being level 4. Although the mook does not mention it, it still has landing recovery.

j.2C - Does not launch an airborne opponent up even on CH. So it's really hard to follow up with a 5C or 2C on air CH. Otherwise it's pretty much the same.

Drives: All drives can be canceled into Enma by hitting A as the counter catches something. They also will give Hakumen one star just for activating. Also drives are no longer unblockable.

5D - Lasts a really long time if held, but also increases the recovery. Can combo afterwards with Shippu.

6D - Has long start up, but really short recovery. Has the best prorate of all the drives.

2D - Pretty much the same as before, but you can only combo afterwards with Shippu.

j.D - Has a minimum height and can be comboed off of now. You can get one rep of the j.2A > j.2C > 5A combo off of it.

Other:

6AB (Counter Assualt) - Same as before

AB (Crush Trigger) - Launches on hit, ignores character combo prorate, and can be held. Doesn't seem that useful outside of combos, it's expensive having to spend 2 stars to break their guard and then at least another 2 just to launch them.

Throws:

BC - Now staggers the opponent instead of knocking them away. This lets Hakumen get a meterless combo with knockdown off throw, the downside is that this combo isn't any better in the corner.

4BC - Hasn't really changed you can still RC the first hit to avoid the big prorate on the second hit.

j.BC - Can still special cancel, RC, or OD to avoid the big prorate on the second hit. Has more recovery on hit. All air throws seem to have landing recovery on whiff.

Specials:

214A (Gurren) - The P2 was buffed a small amount. When it bounces people back from the wall they don't seem to be as high up.

623A (Kishuu) - Same as before.

623AA (Enma) - You cannot cancel into enma late into kishuu anymore. The cancel window is so small that you pretty much have to hit A immediately after 623A or else it won't come out. It's pretty annoying for match ups like Rachel where you need that extra bit of range to reach her when she is summoning or shooting a cannon. Also according to the frame data it doesn't have any upper body invincibility any more.

D(A) (Enma) - Has better prorate than the normal version and can fatal counter. The game considers this and 623AA as the same move so make sure not to use both in the same combo. This version also has no upper body invincibility.

236B (Renka) - It no longer has any bonus prorate. The second hit is faster so there is no longer a gap between the two hits even with IB.

41236C (Zantetsu) - Ignores character combo prorate and the first hit now grounds the opponent. The first hit is a level 5 attack so there is no longer a gap between the two hits even with IB. This also means that when canceling into 623A you're at +2.

j.214B (Hotaru) - No longer wall bounds and causes Hakumen to float upwards when done. Still gives an extra air option on hit or block.

j.214C (Tsubaki) - No longer slides on hit and does not have bonus prorate anymore. Can only be comboed off of if followed up with j.214B. Now can only be done once in the air.

j.214A (Agito) - New move that grounds enemies on normal hit. On CH it ground bounces the opponent. Has head, body, foot, and projectile so it can be used to beat anti-airs. Can only be done once in the air.

Fuumajin - Went from active for 183F to 92F.

Distortions Drives:

632146C (Shippu) - Now has 4 different levels. When OD is activated the beam portion of the super is a large wave. Mugen ends when the sword portion of the super hits.

236236D (Yukikaze) - Same as before, except in OD it does around 4k damage.

214214B (Mugen) - The start up is a lot faster, but doesn't last nearly as long as before. Although in OD Mugen won't end until OD is over or the sword part of Shippu hits.

Astral:

[2]8D - Same as before.