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Information:

  • - New thread! Why? Last one was labeled as CSE; therefore the old thread was out of date. Now all of your trolling will be archived for the ages.
  • - This thread is for game-play discussion.
  • - Do NOT make new threads. If you have any CSE related questions you can just ask them here.
  • - Guymam sucks.

]]>6189Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:00:53 +0000[CSE] A few problems with Hazamahttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/12055-cse-a-few-problems-with-hazama/ Hello everyone!

As someone who is playing BBCSE, because CP isn't on PC yet (maybe it won't be) and as someone who plays Hazama (not in tournaments though), I find some of his combo routes either hard or impossible( For me at least).

I've watched some combo videos and I just can't execute a few stuff that I've seen. My main problem is Jakou (623D) into his Rekkazan (632146C). I don't know if it's only possible in CP but I tried it in CSE's challenge mode and there it worked (after Houtenjin at least), but whenever I try another route into 623D> Rekkazan (such as beginning with a throw) it's either not getting counted as a combo or it's a blue heat. Is there some timing trick to it? Or is the proration low to do it?

Having a same problem with "picking up" after 6C, or 6A into 5C, both of these are getting me blue heats as well.

]]>12055Sun, 01 Nov 2015 18:54:07 +0000Hazama's new 214D-Ahttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/12049-hazamas-new-214d-a/So, I just got CP Extend today and Hazama was my main in 1.1 so I was comfortable with him.

I can easily do a lot of his smaller combos, but when it comes to his new 214D-A in the air (the enhanced version anyway) I'm either having trouble with the timing or it's either the hitbox of the character that's the problem.

For example, in challenge 17, I can do fairly easily but miss occasionally due to bad timing but when it comes to doing the same combo on a different character like ragna I have some trouble.

Is it a timing issue or is it just the hitbox that makes it difficult?

Probably worth mentioning that if the character is in the air like that when trying it, it is difficult. no matter the combo

]]>12049Wed, 28 Oct 2015 05:10:34 +0000Hazama Skype Chat Interest Checkhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/10669-hazama-skype-chat-interest-check/It's that time again, shiny new game, and people looking to learn it.

Skype chats make it easy to trade info, q&a, etc, with faster response time.

So, I'm here to ask if anyone would be interested in joining said chat if it existed...Let me know~

]]>10669Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:39:30 +0000Slight move at 214D-66B 5Ahttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/10587-slight-move-at-214d-66b-5a/I'm generally quite good with Hazama combos but I've not been sure how to do this small dash in between 214D-66B and 5A

an example being this where there's a slight move enough to connect both moves.

https://youtu.be/gMnv66nfIzg?t=4m12s

I use a controller and I've noticed it's a staple move of CP 1.1 and 2.0 so i'd like to know how it's done.

]]>10587Fri, 27 Mar 2015 03:54:52 +0000[CP] Hazama Video Thread [Updated:4/3/2013]https://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/6190-cp-hazama-video-thread-updated432013/

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]]>6190Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:53:02 +0000[CP] Hazama Combo Theory Discussion Threadhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/6188-cp-hazama-combo-theory-discussion-thread/

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Information:
  • Hazama as always has a simple BnB that he will string into off of pretty much any hit. That is where things get a bit tricky, knowing how to get into max damage off any hit is sometimes awkward with Hazama, but essential to his play.
  • If a fellow Hazama has discovered a new hit-confirm, or knows a better version of an old one, please discuss it here, and I'll add them into the first post.
  • Please refrain from idle chit-chat, this thread is strictly for Hazama combo theory discussion/information.

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    General Notations Used
    Guide Specific Notations Used


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    j
    Jump


    sj
    Super Jump


    ad
    Air Dash


    iad
    Instant Air Dash


    jc
    Jump Cancel


    sjc
    Super Jump Cancel


    CH
    Counter Hit


    FC
    Fatal Counter


    [ ]
    Hold Input


    (N)
    Attack must deal N amount of hits.


    [???] xN
    Repeat ??? N amount of times.


    OD
    Overdrive (A+B+C+D)


    RC
    Rapid Cancel (A+B+C)


    CT
    Crush Trigger (6A+B)


    DM
    Damage


    HG
    Heat Gain %

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    [table=width: 350, class: grid, align: center]

    >
    A Gatling or cancel.


    xx
    A link.


    ()
    A conditional requirement; generally for spacing.


    ~
    A follow-up to another move; Hazama chain cancels, and stance cancels.

    [/table]

    [/table]


Mid-screen:

Normal Starters
  • 5B > 3C > 214D~B xx dash 5A > 5C > j.C x 4 > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x5 > j.214B (DM: 2533, HG: 15)
  • 5B > 3C > 214D~B xx (dash) 5A > 5C > j.C x 4 > dash 5C > j.C x 4 > 5C > j.C x 4 > 5B > 5C > sj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 3435, HG: 20)
  • 2A > 5B > 3C > OD Lv1 xx dash 5D > 214D~66B xx dash 5C > j.C x 4 > 5C > j.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 3162, HG: 19)
  • 2A > 5B > 3C > OD Lv1 xx dash 6D > 214D~66B xx dash 5C > j.C x 4 > 5C > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 3281, HG: ~20)
  • 5B > 3C > OD Lv1 xx dash 5D > 214D~66B xx dash 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 5B > 5C > j.C x 5 > 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 4444, HG: ??)
  • 5B > 3C > OD Lv1 xx dash 6D > CT xx dash 5C > 4D > 214D~66B xx dash 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 5099, HG: -25+12 Net = -13)
  • 2A > 5B > 236236B xx dash 214D~66B xx 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 3818, HG: -50+14 Net = -36)
  • 6A > 236236B xx dash 214D~66C xx 6C xx dash 5C > 2C > 4D > 214D~66B xx 623D (DM: 4437, HG: -50+17 Net = -33)
  • 6A > 236236B xx dash 214D~66B xx dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 4140, HG: -50+11 Net = -39)
  • 5B > 3C > 236236B xx dash 214D~66B xx dash 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 5334, HG: -50+14 Net = -36)
  • 5C > 236236B xx OD Lv2 2 214D~66B xx dash 5C(1) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.7D~A > 623D xx 632146C (Damage: 6992, Heat Gain: -100+33 Net = -67)


    Special Starters
    • 214D~66C xx dash 6C xx dash 5C > 2C > 4D~D > j.C x 4 > 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 4671, HG: 33)
    • 214D~66C xx dash 6C xx dash 5C > 2C > 4D > 214D~66B xx dash 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 5B > 5C > j.C x 5 > 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 5017, HG: 36)
    • 236C xx 5C > 3C > 214D~B xx 5A > 5C > j.C x 4 > dash 5C > j.C x 4 > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 2046, HG: 35)


      Throw Starters
      • 6B+C > OD Lv2 xx (jump forward) j.6D~D > 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 5B > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 3538, HG: ??)


        Distortion Drive Starters
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Near-Corner:

Normal Starters
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    Special Starters
    • -

    Throw Starters

      [*]-

      Distortion Drive Starters

        [*]-

        Corner:

        Normal Starters

          [*](Hazama in the corner) 5C > 236236B xx OD Lv3 xx CT xx dash 5C > 6C xx dash 5C > 5D~A > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.7D~A > 623D xx dash 5C > 236236B xx backdash 4D > 623D (DM: 8267 HG: -75+37-50+4 Net = -89)

          Special Starters

            [*]-

            Throw Starters

              [*]-

              Distortion Drive Starters

                Special thanks for AMB bakery for the actual combos!

              [*]214D~632146D > RC (after the last kick) > 214D~66C xx dash 6C xx dash 5C > 2C > sj.B > j.C > dj.C x 5 > j.214B (DM: 3130, HG: -99)

        ]]>        6188Tue, 19 Mar 2013 02:54:53 +0000        Hazama C loopshttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/8910-hazama-c-loops/I'm not too familiar with the move terminology and this is the best I can put it into words.

        I'm not sure if this has been brought up before but since the removal of  Hazama's jump cancel after 5 x C I've attempted to do 5 x C, land and then do another 5 x C and so on.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BirRvzed370&hd=1

        In this video you can see exactly what I mean.

        When I attempt it all I end up doing is doing 5 x C and then I'm too far away to 5C and then do 5 x C again.

        How do I close the gap to be able to do it?

        I've tried dashing but it doesn't seem to work.

        ]]>        8910Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:02:09 +0000        Hazama newb CP combo questionhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/8758-hazama-newb-cp-combo-question/I've recently picked up ChronoPhantasma (only like half a year late to the bandwagon) and, seeing as I mained Hazama in Continuum Shift, I figured I would try my hand at him in CP. I'm fairly green so I go into training mode with the eagerness to practice, practice, practice combos. I take a look at all things dustloop - forums, wiki etc - and I see this basic combo string and other combo strings like it everywhere;

         

        5B > 3C > 214D~B xx dash 5A > 5C > j.C x 4 > 5C > j.B > j.C > dj.C x5 > j.214B

         

        I only get as far as the 214D~B. Yes, I'm using Serpent's Redemption to give myself forward momentum immediately before I execute Rising Fang. But then afterwards, I find that it's at least six years of recovery until I can either 5A, dash forward or - hell - do just about anything else. And my opponent always wakes up before I can land a hit on them.

         

        I've tried mashing the buttons to get as instant a response as possible but it's just never fast enough. So my real question is; did Hazama get an update that screws over that combo string, or am I doing something horribly wrong?

         

        I appreciate any help and/or roasting. So long as it's helpful roasting.

        ]]>        8758Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:02:15 +0000        [CP] Hazama Official Changes [Incomplete] [Updated]https://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/6243-cp-hazama-official-changes-incomplete-updated/

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        Information:
        • - Some numbers aren't included here, but I listed what I found to be significant.


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          +
          Buff


          -
          Nerf


          ~
          General changes that may or not be a buff or nerf.


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        Normals:

        5A
        • + 300 damage now instead of 250.
        • + 100 p1.
        • – P2 brought down to 77.


          5B
          • + 100 P1.
            [+]– No longer jump cancelable, (=[)


            5C
            • + now does 400x2 damage
            • + P2 is slightly better.
            • - Recovery is even worse.


              2A
              • + P1 is now 100 instead of 80.
              • - P2 brought down slightly.


                2B
                • + P1 is now 90 instead of 80.


                  2C
                  • + Head invuln frames 8 – 15, so no more trading.
                  • - Added 12 frames of recovery… (holy shit)

                  6A

                    [*]+ On block is now -3 instead of -5.

                    + Slightly less recovery.

                    + 110% Proration Bonus

                    ~ Lvl 3 Attack instead of lvl 4. (Not sure if this is a good thing with it being minus on block. Lol)

                    6B

                      [*]+ P1 is now 95.

                      [*]+ Fatal counter property!

                      [*]- On block is now +1 instead of +3

                      6C

                        [*]- Does a bit less damage.

                        3C

                          [*]+ P1 is now 90 instead of 80.

                          J.CxN

                            [*]+ J.CxN has better p2 now.

                            [*]- Each hit of J.CxN apply 50% meter gain.

                            Ouroboros

                            General changes:

                              [*]+ All Ouroboros normals apply 200% meter gain to the combo.

                              + All chains P2s are now 92. (far)

                              + All chains P1s are now 80. (far)

                              + All chains in OD do twice the damage and are always the far version.

                              + 2D, 4.D, J.D, J.2D, J.8D, J.4D, all have less start up.

                              - Recovery for all chains has an extra 12 frames.

                              ~ Ouroboros far versions have 9F hitstop on block, 9F hitstop for Hazama on hit, 29F for opponent on hit

                              ~ All close variations of chains do slightly less damage.

          ]]>          6243Wed, 03 Apr 2013 08:14:06 +0000          [CSE] Hazama General Discussion - Lane Changin' Chain Swangin'! Lane Changin' Chain Swangin!....Fedora Boyzhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/4111-cse-hazama-general-discussion-lane-changin-chain-swangin-lane-changin-chain-swanginfedora-boyz/And so here we are, new game but same old hat.

          ]]>          4111Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:50:03 +0000          [CSE] Hazama Combo Guide and Combo Discussion Threadhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/4759-cse-hazama-combo-guide-and-combo-discussion-thread/Made for all of you who don't care to visit the wiki. All of this information was copy-pasted from the wiki page. However, there is a benefit to be had in this thread. For those of you who post in here with new or updated combos, I will update this post and then the wiki accordingly. This thread is also for the discussion of combo spacing and hit-confirming, e.g., what to do off certain anti-airs, what makes for an easy kill combo, what to follow up with if you wallbounce jabaki from a certain distance, how much Makoto's hitbox sucks, etc. Hopefully this will all go well. Will update later to make it look fancier.

          NOTATIONS:

          > = cancel into next move

          jc = jump cancel

          hjc = high jump cancel

          tk = doing a jumping special move as close to the ground as possible. Usually performed by a 2147 or 8/9214 motion with the joystick or pad.

          CU = cross-under (mainly for 6C after Zaneiga)

          (text) = whatever's listed in the parentheses is optional

          [text > text > text > ...] x N = repeat the string of normals and/or specials 'N' amount of times. Usually reserved for Hirentotsu loops or Gashoukyaku twice at the end of a combo.

          CH = counter hit starter

          [AA] = anti-air combo; opponent is in the air at the start of the combo

          Blue text
          = opponent must be crouching for combo to work

          Red text
          = requires 50 heat in order to use the combo

          Magenta text
          = requires 100 heat

          Green text
          = combo is character specific; check the notes to see who it works on

          Turquoise text
          = requires crouching and is character specific

          Yellow text
          = Fatal Counter combo

          Orange text
          = requires Fatal Counter and 50 heat

          j.214B* = j.C x 5 > j.214B

          j.214B# = j.B > j.C x 2 > jc > j.C x 5 > j.214B

          The last two notations are there because they are the standard, optimal air combos that Hazama has. i.e., you'll be seeing it a lot.

          Note: in all combos, assume that 5C hits twice unless stated otherwise. Also, [5C > 2C > 214D~B] x 2 requires a dash between the two reps.

          MIDSCREEN

          • (236C) > (dash) > 2A > 5B > (2B) > (5C) > (2C) > 3C > 214D~A
            Damage: 1119, Heat Gain: 10

            + 5C and 2C = Damage: 1482, Heat Gain: 15


            + 2B = Damage: 1228, Heat Gain: 12


            + 236C and 5C = Damage: 869, Heat Gain: 18


            + 236C, dash, 2B, 5C, and 2C = Damage: 1054, Heat Gain: 22


          • 2A > 5B > (5C) > (2C) > 3C > 236D
            Damage: 1022, Heat Gain: 8

            + 5C and 2C = Damage: 1407, Heat Gain: 13


            + 2B = Damage: 1145, Heat Gain: 10


          • 5D~D > j.B > 2A > 5B > 3C > 214D~A
            Damage: 1327, Heat Gain: 14
          • 5D~D > j.2C > dash 5B > 2B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 214D~A
            Damage: 1781, Heat Gain: 21
          • 5D~C > j.A x 2 > 2A > 5B > 2B > 3C > 214D~A
            Damage: 1310, Heat Gain: 17
          • j.6D~D > dash 2A > 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > 214D~A
            Damage: 1515, Heat Gain: 18
          • j.5D~D > j.B > 2A > 5B > 5C > 3C > 214D~A
            Damage: 1439, Heat Gain: 17
          • j.B+C > 214D~C > dash 6C > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > hjc > j.214B*
            Damage: 3612, Heat Gain: 61
          • j.B+C > 214D~C > dash 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > hjc > j.214B*
            Damage: 3699, Heat Gain: 61
          • 4B+C > 214D~D > j.6D~C > 5C > 2C > 4D~D > j.214B#
            Damage: 2913, Heat Gain: 36
          • 4B+C > 214D~D > j.6D~C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > hjc > j.214B*
            Damage: 3204, Heat Gain: 47
          • 4B+C > 214D~D > j.6D~C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > tk j.214B > (dash) 5C > 2C > 214D~B*
            Damage: 3220, Heat Gain: 49

            *Note: guaranteed corner carry from any where on the stage (even the exact middle)


          • 6B+C > 623D > RC > dash > (S)214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 2C > j.C x 5 > (dash) 2C > 4D~D > j.214B#
            Damage: 4185, Heat Gain: -50+49 Net = -1
          • [AA] 5A > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~D > j.214B#*
            Damage: 2281, Heat Gain: 44

            *Note: opponent should be descending or not at maximum normal single jump height in order to connect tk j.214B


          • [AA] 6A > 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > 623D > dash 3C > 236D or (632146C)*
            Damage: 2845, Heat Gain: 47

            + 632146C instead of 236D = Damage: 3870, Heat Gain: +45-50 Net = -5


            *Note: 5C link is somewhat strict. Requires 5 or more heat to end with Mizuchi.


          • [AA} 6A > 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > 2C > 4D~D > j.214B*
            Damage: 2738, Heat Gain: 56
          • [AA] CH 2C > 623D > RC > dash > (S)214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > hjc > j.214B*
            Damage: 5379, Heat Gain: -50+53 Net = +3
          • [AA] CH 214D~B > 623D > RC > dash > (S)214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > hjc > j.214B#
            Damage: 4438, Heat Gain: -50+59 Net = +9
          • CH 6B > 3C > 214D~C > dash 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > 2C > 4D~A > 623D > dash 3C > (632146C)
            Damage: 4330, Heat Gain: 70

            + 632146C = Damage: 5410, Heat Gain: +70-50 Net = +20


          • CH 214D~B > dash 6D~A > dash 4D~D > j.214B#*
            Damage: 2089, Heat Gain: 31

            *Note: only works if very close to opponent and on ground.


          • CH 214D~B > dash 6D~A > j.7/8/9D~A > 623D > dash 3C > 214D~A*
            Damage: 2315, Heat Gain: 26

            *Note: jump forward backward or neutral depending on how far your opponent is away from you. Works on all opponents at any distance and regardless if on ground or airborne.


          • 214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > dash 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > hjc > j.214B#
            Damage: 3739, Heat Gain: 60
          • 214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > hjc > j.214B#
            Damage: 3869, Heat Gain: 60
          • 214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 5C > 214D~B > 3C*
            Damage: 4000, Heat Gain: 69

            *Note: guaranteed corner carry from any where on the stage (even the exact middle)


          • (CH 3C) > (S)214D~C > (dash) 6C > [dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > dash 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > 623D > dash 3C > (632146C)
            Damage: 4682 Heat Gain: 60

            + 632146C = Damage: 5778, Heat Gain: +60-50 Net = +10


            + CH 3C = Damage: 4329, Heat Gain: 62


            + CH 3C and 632146C = Damage: 5414, Heat Gain: +62-50 Net = +12


          • (S)214D~C > (dash) 6C > [dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 4 *
            Damage: 4487, Heat Gain: 60

            *Note: does not work on Carl, Taokaka, Rachel, Arakune, Bang, Noel, or Makoto. In most cases, you'll want to land the 214D~C in a way that lets you to connect with a dashing 6C and make it easier.


          • 6A > 236236B > dash (S)214D~C > 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > (dash) 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 5C > 214D~B > 3C
            Damage: 4597, Heat Gain: -50+37 Net = -13
          • 5C > 236236B > dash (S)214D~C> 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > (dash) 2C > tk j.214B > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > (dash) 5C > 2C > 214D~B > (dash) 3C*
            Damage: 6202, Heat Gain: -50+50 Net = 0

            *Note: "dash (S)214D~C > 6C > dash 5C > 2C" will cause the first tk j.214B to whiff on Taokaka, Arakune, Carl, and Rachel. Instead use "walk forward (S)214D~C > dash 6C > dash > 5C > 2C." the dash 2C after j.C x 5 is necessary on Rachel. This combo will not work on Makoto.


          • 6A > [dash 5A > 5B] x 4 > 5C > 2C > 3C > 236D > 5D~D > j.214B**
            Damage: 1889, Heat Gain: 34

            **Note(s): works on Tager and Hakumen. 236D must cause wallbounce in order for combo to work.






            CORNER

            • (236C) > 2A > 5B > 3C > 236D > dash 6C > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > 214D~B > 3C
              Damage: 2216, Heat Gain: 40

              + 236C starter = Damage: 1559, Heat Gain: 45


            • (236C) > 5C > 3C > 236D > dash 6C > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > [dash 5C > 2C > 214D~B] x 2
              Damage: 3663, Heat Gain: 71

              + 236C starter = Damage: 2132, Heat Gain: 76


            • 5B > 3C > 236D > dash 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > 3C > (632146C)
              Damage: 3505, Heat Gain: 74

              + 632146C = Damage: 4585, Heat Gain: +74-50 Net = +24


            • CH 6A > (dash) 2C > 3C > 236D > dash 6C > [dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > 3C > (632146C)
              Damage: 2900, Heat Gain: 66

              + 632146C = Damage: 3980, Heat Gain: +66-50 Net = +16


            • 6B+C > (S)214D~C > dash 6C > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > 4D~D > j.214B*
              Damage: 3409, Heat Gain: 54
            • 6B+C > (S)214D~C > dash 6C > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > j.C x 5 > 5C > 214D~B > 3C
              Damage: 3873, Heat Gain: 78
            • 6B+C > (S)214D~C > dash 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > 3C > (632146C)
              Damage: 3914, Heat Gain: 80

              + 632146C = Damage: 4994, Heat Gain: +80-50 Net = +30


            • 4B+C > 214D~D > j.6D~D > dash 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash > [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > dash > [5C > 2C > 214D~B] x 2 (near the corner, not directly in the corner)
              Damage: 3919, Heat Gain: 84
            • 2A > 5B > 3C > 236D > backwards jump j.6D~D > dash 6C > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > 214D~B > 3C (near the corner, not directly in the corner)
              Damage: 2182, Heat Gain: 42
            • 2A > 5B > 5C > 3C > 236D > dash 6C > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > dash 3C
              Damage: 2519, Heat Gain: 56
            • 2A > 5B > 3C > 236D > dash 6C > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > dash 3C
              Damage: 2651, Heat Gain: 64
            • CH 6B > [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > [5C > 2C > 214D~B] x 2
              Damage: 3793, Heat Gain: 90
            • (S)214D~C > dash 6C > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > j.C x 5 > 5C > 214D~B > 3C
              Damage: 5077, Heat Gain: 94
            • Gold Burst > 3C > 214D~C > CU 5C > 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > 2C > 623D > [dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > dash 5C > 2C > 214D~B
              Damage: 3907, Heat Gain: 100
            • (S)214D~B > (dash) > (S)214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B
              Damage: 5016, Heat Gain: 100
            • 6A > 236236B > (S)214D~C > CU 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > 2C > 623D > [dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > 3C > 214D~B
              Damage: 5307, Heat Gain: -50+63 Net = +13
            • 6B > 236236B > (S)214D~C > CU 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > 623D > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > 3C > (632146C)
              Damage: 6456, Heat Gain: -50+59 Net = +9

              + 632146C = Damage: 7536, Heat Gain: -50+59-50 Net = -41


            • 5B > 3C > 236236B > dash (S)214D~C > dash 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > 623D > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 2 > 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > 214D~B > 3C (with Hazama's back to the corner)
              Damage: 6089, Heat Gain: -50+59 Net = +9
            • 5C > 236236B > (S)214D~C > CU 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > 623D > dash [5C > 2C > tk j.214B] x 3 > 5C > 2C > 214D~B > 3C > (632146C)
              Damage: 6801, Heat Gain: -50+67 Net = +17

              + 632146C = Damage: 7881, Heat Gain: -50+67-50 Net = -33


          ]]>          4759Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:57:09 +0000          [CS1-CSE] Hazama QnA and Tidbits Threadhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/2665-cs1-cse-hazama-qna-and-tidbits-thread/Any questions related to Hazama's gameplay and any little facts not known about Hazama (GAMEPLAY WISE) should be posted here. If you don't feel comfortable you could of course PM me.

          ]]>          2665Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:56:00 +0000          [CSE] TK Hirentotsu/TK Loop FAQ and Guidehttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/4762-cse-tk-hirentotsutk-loop-faq-and-guide/In this short guide, I will discuss three main things: how to improve execution on the TK loop, what you can use it for, and how many times you can do it based off of different starters.

          Before I begin though, I should congratulate you for checking out this guide. The TK loop is the biggest key to making CSE Hazama have truly optimal combos, and you'd be fool for being apprehensive and refusing to learn it.

          Part 1: Execution

          So if you're clueless on how to do it or if you're attempting to do it but have little success, here are a few things you should read/watch:

          I think the most important visual cues are 'traces' and the position of the character you're hitting. I believe I've said this before, but every C move that Hazama has (besides 6C) has a 'trace' to it. It's mostly just for flare, but if you wait until these 'traces' disappear before your next move comes out, I guarantee you'll be getting the timing right. Also, by the time you input 2C after 5C, the opposing character should be airborne at about the height of Hazama's neck/shoulders. While doing 2C, you can advance input 9214 (I do it 963214 just to make sure I input the 2 correctly. It should feel like you're making a 'J' with the stick) and as soon as the 'trace' of 2C disappears, press B while holding back. As for connecting 5C after j.214B, just watch your landing. And for the dash, if you input it just as you land or a few frames after and then press C, it should come out right. Really, the loop is all about patience. Nothing about the loop is too particularly fast, so as long as you pay attention, you should get the timing down in no time at all.

          A visual representation of aforementioned 'traces' on Hazama's 5C:

          BBCS_Hazama_5C.png

          For an abridged version of the explanation above, c0r was kind enough to point out the most crucial parts people tend to mess up on:

          Issues you could be having and their solutions:

          Make sure you let both hits of 5c come out

          Superjumping the tk motion will make linking 5c afterwords near impossible

          Use advanced input for the otg 5c to make the link as easy as possible

          Compensate for 2c's large hitstop by inputting the air special early, but hitting the button late

          And finally a video from nicovideo. If you don't already have a nicovideo account, now would be a great time to start. Just click the yellow button if you don't have an account and the rest of the instructions are in English.

          http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16877566?via=thumb_watch

          If you want to get better at the TK loop fast, I'd suggest grinding the following combos ad infinitum until your hands become stumps. These combos include all of the things you need to learn to execute such as connecting dashing 5C after TK j.214B, and connecting TK j.214B after 2C-ing an airborne opponent.

          • 4B+C > 214D~D > j.6D~C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > tk j.214B > (dash) 5C > 2C > 214D~B
          • 214D~C > (dash) 6C > dash 5C > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 2C > tk j.214B > dash 5C > j.C x 5 > 5C > 214D~B > 3C

          Part 2: Uses (and Adjustments)

          The TK loop is a great way to tack on damage and meter gain to an otherwise low-damage combo or hit-confirm. Whenever I say 'TK loop' sometimes I don't actually mean the loop itself but just the TK Hirentotsu (that's what j.214B is called, in case you didn't know

          learn to say Japanese words or stop playing anime fighters

          ).

          The basic principle is, any time you can do an otg 5C > 2C string or if you can 2C an airborne opponent that's close to you, then you can use TK Hirentotsu to extend your combo. The 5C > 2C otg usually works after 214D~C/236D > 6C, air-throw, CH 3C, and of course CH TK j.214B. In the case that you're close to the corner when doing Jabaki but you're not sure that 6C will connect, then a dash-up delayed 5C > 2C string will allow you to loop your opponent. 2C on an airborne opponent usually occurs after a j.C x 5 string or j.6D~C otg.

          Midscreen TK loop is your friend when it comes to corner carry and getting more meter. My advice to you is to be careful when doing it on the following characters: Carl, Rachel, Taokaka, and Makoto. Especially Makoto. In fact, midscreen 5C > 2C > TK j.214B will always whiff on Makoto no matter what you do. On the others, here's a way to increase your success: you have a long time before the opponent can tech after 6C (regardless if it came after level 1 or 2 214D~C). Take advantage of that by waiting to press 5C after you dash. That way, you'll be closer to them so the Hirentotsu is more likely to connect. Also, you'll notice that many of the combos in the combo thread have an optional dash before landing 2C. This dash may or may not be necessary to use on these characters (you'll have to do it for Makoto no matter what). Use your judgment and figure out if they're close enough to where you don't need to dash. You can think about it while j.C x 5 air-training them to the corner.

          Part 3: Repetitions

          The general rule of thumb is that you can do at least three loops and get a proper ender no matter what starter you get. As long as you're not too far into your combo, this should hold true even for low P1 starters like 5A, 2A, 2B, 3C, 6A, or even CH 214D~A. Sometimes you can only do two reps if you get a chain hit as a starter. It all depends on what normals you follow up with after your chain in.

          Midscreen, you can do dashing loop three times if you hit raw level 1 Zaneiga, and four if you hit raw level 2.

          Off of forward or backwards throw in the corner, you can get four reps and a proper ender. Air-throw has only three because you have to connect with only level 1 Zaneiga (though you could perhaps extend this by doing land > forward dash > gold burst > 214D~C > the rest).

          6A > Houtenjin is four reps along with most other starters. If you don't do the optimal cross-under 6C after 5C > Houtenjin in the corner, then you can get five reps if you go straight into TK looping.

          Two normals (not A normals) > Houtenjin is usually four as well.

          The highest amount of reps currently known in any practical combo is six. That combo requires a fatal counter, level 2 214D~B starter. It does gain you 100 meter, though, so that's pretty sweet.

          Again, as long as there's a way to incorporate a gold burst into these combos, then there's likely a way to use that to extend the amount of reps you can do.

          Well, that's it for now, but feel free to post your thoughts, opinions, or experiences in this thread. I will update this post if I find it useful.

          ]]>          4762Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:41:09 +0000          [CSE] Beginner's guide to being a snake! Hazama for dummies, bring your balisongs v2.1https://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/5269-cse-beginners-guide-to-being-a-snake-hazama-for-dummies-bring-your-balisongs-v21/

          hazama-storyart2.png

          Hello everyone!

          :eng101:

          First things first, welcome to my beginner's guide to playing Hazama, my name is Shazam and I'm here to help you get started playing this character

          and trolling everyone who plays BB

          ...Picture a character with all the tools he needs to run circles around the entire cast...:zidane:

          So you like Hazama? Want to open yourself up to his potential? If you feel like you have no idea what you're doing or just want to sharpen your skills you're at the right place.

          It may take time but with practice and training you'll eventually find yourself a deadly opponent. The thing about Hazama (and BB/FGs in general) is that, even once you get comfortable with movement and spacing, you have to learn how to play each match-up. Hazama is not a free win card, nor is he an easy character, but he is scary. Now if you're still new to BB/ArcSys fighters in general he will no doubt be awkward at first. The basic things to learn are safe and unpredictable pressure, drive movement, and combos. This guide will go over everything from pressure to neutral game to drive movement, for combos you'll have to go check the combo thread.

          Now, this is kind of an intermediate guide, that is it assumes you've played already played BB a little bit. If you have any specific questions or it's too much to read/take in you can PM me and I'll try to help you personally.

          There's a bit of a learning slope, but IMO, the highest possible potential in all of BBCSE. While characters like Jin and Ky Kiske are jack of all trades characters, Hazama is an ace of all trades, who has just enough of everything to be the best. His pressure is free form and you can be really creative with how you play. He has multiple anti-airs. Much of Hazama's damage is meter dependent (outside of raw 214d~c) so you want to be careful with your meter. The all powerful Jayoku Hotenjin also known as Serpents Infernal Rapture (SIR) - commonly referred to as either simply jayoku or hotenjin - it's your only real reversal and your biggest damage tool. Now I believe you should try and confirm 1-2 normals into jayoku asap at 50 meter and get the momentum going in your favor. This is where the big damage combos come in.

          Now you're probably asking yourself - so we have the good stuff, is there anything that sucks about Hazama? Honestly, not really. The big thing is the learning curve and the somewhat hard combos. The only real downside to Hazama is that you don't have many options at mid-range. Basically if you look at 3c, that's your longest ranged normal, so you want to be within that range or closer to start pressure. Generally speaking the best moves to start up blockstrings are 2a and 5b, so keep that in mind. Hazama's chains are simply bad at mid-range, they get less hit stun and you have less/no time to do gimmicks from chain momentum. The opponent gets in easier if you mess up your spacing and throw out chains mid-range. If you suck at defense you will get blown up, so learn how to block, don't mash jayoku on wake-up all the time because it's probably a bad idea.

          Now, I could break down his normals, specials and drive but there's already a wiki page for that. I strongly suggest reading it before continuing on if you haven't done so already.

          READ THE WIKI

          http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hazama_%28BBCSE%29

          Spacing, fundamentals, and getting used to dashing:

          You should know all of Hazama's normals by now, or at least have a decent grasp of them.

          The most important thing with any character is to know all of your tools and how/when to use them. This is generally known as your spacing. Spacing is invaluable in fighting games and indeed it's so when playing as Hazama. If your opponent is close to you, throwing out a chain can be risky. If you're not careful and just throw out whatever random normal you want whenever you want then there's also a good chance you'll get hit and then eat a combo. You need to time your attacks appropriately and know what situations to use what moves. It's also important to know when to block and when to try and hit them out of an attack or approach.

          It's important to learn the combos and not drop them as this can screw up your spacing as Hazama. Get used to dashing both in and out of combos; while Hazama doesn't have a normal run his dash is incredibly useful for spacing and starting or continuing blockstrings, and it's basically a requirement if you want to land command grab as mixup. You can cancel it with any normal, special, or with barrier block. This would be a good time to mention that super jumping backwards is a pretty strong option as Hazama, especially if you throw in a j6d.

          Long list of random things that will help you out

          • You can keep people out with your chains AND get IN with them! Cancelling your ~d momentum with an air throw whiff or j.a is now easier than ever. Do this from a blocked j6d, land and score your free 3c counter hit against their anti air. Lots of damage.
          • Chain movement is incredibly important. Every time you move you are committing to a pull and losing a stock, you should always be mindful of your stock counter and movement choices. This will make or break your play. Try not to get hit out of the startup to a pull or do stupid shit like pulling yourself into a projectile or one of Hakumen's orbs.
          • Chains can be special cancelled on block or hit. This means you can use them after a blocked 5c and even use stance mix-up afterwords if they block it.
          • ANTI-AIRS FOR DAYS! 214d~b, 5c, 2c, 5a, 4d, 6d! All situational and worthwhile. Refer to the anti-air section below.
          • 6a is a great overhead and you can take about half a life bar if you land it with 50 meter.
          • Once you have 50 meter, your goal is to land 1 or 2 normals into hotenjin and do a huge combo after it. If you prefer to play defensively, want to make your opponent afraid of taking risks, and know how to IB and IB hotenjin then this is actually pretty viable, but I'm usually not patient *or smart* enough to do this. Just remember if you don't score a counter hit on hotenjin, your damage won't be as good. This technique also means learning frame data for other characters.
          • You shouldn't fish for raw 3c counter hits, it's a very powerful tool when properly executed but you can get blown up for throwing it out all the time.
          • Don't always use stance in a predictable way. Sometimes 214d~a is a better option against an airborne opponent than 214d~b. I also am saying instead of always using one move in the same situations, change it up. If you time it right for example you can 214d~c Tager and beat out Sledge, or if you think someone is going to 5a you out of 214d~a then try ~b or even ~c if you're feeling the spacing and yomi.
          • Hazama's oki isn't that strong outside of the corner but you can do dash > 2a, 2b, 5c, 6a, or even 5b when you get midscreen knockdown. Any of those. Pay attention to your opponents wakeup preferences, be mindful of reversals, don't get too greedy. I'd also like to bring up 2a (whiff) > 236c for reacting to their emergency tech when you have them cornered. Unblockable oki!



            Breakdown of Hazama's Anti-air options
            5a - Fastest startup but small hitbox and active frames. Harder to punish but easier to beat. Time it properly against sloppier air approaches, confirm into 5c/2c, 4d, air combo. Can also confirm into 5c>623d depending on where it hits.
            2c - 'Main' or 'true' anti air, there are a few frames of upper head invulnerability but this move will usually trade in your favor. Combo into 623d on counter hit. Learn when to commit to this for jump ins.
            214d~b - 6 frames entering stance, 7 more frames of startup. As long as you use this sparingly it's a very strong anti-air IMO, this is used to beat out stuff like Ragna air dash j.c, Tager j.2c, Arakune j.b or Rachel j.2c.
            6d - For farther away jumps, you basically have to guess that they're going to jump. Pretty useful chain. It will be blocked a lot but remember you can special cancel it into stance, cancel it with a, or cancel into 623d which is air unblockable without barrier. If hit you usually want to combo into 623d but if theyre in the corner you should just use ~d and air combo.
            4d - Although you shouldn't use this very often, there are times where it's a good idea. The angle hits really high in the air, it's a weird move, just remember the angle and don't use it when they're close. You might want to make sure you have a stock before you throw this out.
            5c - Has a unique hitbox and a lot of active frames. Bad on whiff. I recommend looking at the frame data and hitbox for this move and using it as an occasional anti-air, if you score a counter hit with it you get a huge combo into either hotenjin or 214d~c(1).
            623d - OUROBOUROS! "HUNGRY COILS!" This move is super risky raw, but if you notice your opponent likes to stay far away and in the air a lot this can actually help. Think of jumpy Tagers and Arakune. I don't recommend using this unless you're REALLY feeling it - even though they might be far and in the air, they will probably have time to punish you if it whiffs.


            Now let's work out a few blockstring ideas, and now we have a full pressure guide below, courtesy of our mod Lich:

            • Condition your opponents to block low with 2b/3c (2a>5b>2b)or high with 214d~a (2a>5b>214d~a) early in blockstrings, and switch it up so that they are constantly guessing. Change it up with stance cancels and throws as well, or simply jump cancel 5b.
            • 3c is bad to just use without making them afraid of ressenga, as anyone worth their salt will block low by default and this will end pressure and leave you at -6. Your only safe option after this is 236d which if you delay it a bit you might catch them.
            • Use blocked normals to jump cancel into an instant airdash for crossups. Very strong tool and also has option select capabilities. IAD 3a+b.
            • 5b is +2. Since this move is so quick and non committal you should be using it in blockstrings a ton and take full advantage of plus frames - i'll just quote Guymam on this.

              A great way to keep opponents on their toes is to use 5B to its fullest extent. Being +2 on block means that you can hold 1 to automatically bait a reversal, wait, then continue pressure. It can also be jump canceled, so you can use it with IAD to crossup or to jump barrier a reversal then fall down with a j.a if one doesn't come. You can also do pressure strings like 2A 5B 5B as a frame trap or do 2A 5B then dash and grab, or if you are all up in dat ass you can just wait a second then grab them for a pretty tricky tick throw attempt. It's a very important staple of his pressure.
            • With 2b being only -1 you can dash right after it is blocked (normal block; not IB)and reset your blockstring, allowing you to start fresh with either 2b again, 2a, or 5b. You can get pretty creative with this.
            • 2a dash 2a command grab.

            Special thanks to our mod Lich for this pressure guide, very good info for both new and old players alike.

            Lich's Pressure Guide

            Hazamas pressure is very free form as he has many tools to keep the opponent blocking and mix them up. The most important rule about pressure/mix-up as a whole is don't be predictable and don't have auto-pilot pressure strings.

            Stagger Pressure and frame traps:

            2a is +1, 5b is +2 and 6B is +3. These normals leave Hazama at frame advantage and because of the speed of his normals allow for very easy stagger pressure. An example would be: 2a>5b- 2a.

            Stagger pressure blows up mashers.

            Aside from stagger pressure Hazama has many ways to blow up mashers.

            2c>delay5c, or 2b>3c gatlings.

            2c>214D~A blows up everything thats not 5a.

            Those are some options but he has many.

            Stance:

            Hazama can cancel into stance off of any normal.

            Throwing out Rasenga mid block-string fucks with people and makes his mix-up all the more deadly.

            Can immediately go into command grab if Rasenga hits a crouching opponent.

            On block 214D~A leaves Hazama at +2.

            As stressed before, don't be predictable, 5a will blow up Rasenga at any point in your blockstring.

            Possibly the worst time to do Rasenga is after 3c as it has so little frame advantage the opponent can blow up rasenga with much more than a well-timed 5a.

            214D~C Is also a good mix-up tool, but use it sparingly.

            214D~C gives Hazama much more reward but it leaves him at -1 and pushes the opponent relatively far away; pressures over, welcome to neutral.

            Mix-up and Jump ins:

            Primary mix up tools: 2b, 3c, 6a, J2.C 236C(command grab) These are generally the starters you're going to be confirming into houtenjin.

            5b, 5c, and 2c are all jump cancel-able and allow for Hazama to easily continue pressure.

            Overall, Hazamas best jump in button is J.2c, can be used as a normal jump in or to cross up.

            Cross up J.2c is very effective and opens a lot of people up.

            2b Gatlings after 2a and 5b.

            Will occasionally tag people with 2b while rolling through a pressure gatling, especially if Hazama has been conditioning them to block high with stance.

            2b is very good as an empty jump low.

            Use 3c only when you want to end your pressure as it is in fact the pressure ender.

            Again, the move is -6, the only thing that makes it safe is 236D.

            It is occasionally wise to delay it as it becomes part of a mix-up in itself. If they hit a button, they get hit by 236D and knocked to the other side of the screen.

            After conditioning them it is occasionally okay to attempt to continue mix-up after 3c with stance, but it is very risky.

            It is always smart to delay any input after throwing out 3c as, 3c catches many off gaurd and 3c straight into Houtenjin makes big damage.

            6a gatlings after 2a, 5b, and 2b.

            5b>6a is a perfect gatling as it is nearly unmashable unless 5b is instant blocked.

            Can tick throw with command grab many different methods:

            After stance overhead, 2a, a dash 2b, 6b, j.b, hell even an empty jump if your opponent is respecting you that much.

            It is easy to be very creative with Hazamas command grab, so do that, be creative.

            When attempting a command grab, it is important to note how your opponent is blocking your normals; barrier block generally pushes Hazama too far to attempt the command grab.

            Going Places With Ourobouros

            There's a ton of ground to cover here, or I guess in this case, air. You can keep an eye on your chain stock, but it's better to just have a feel for it and try not to let it run out.

            The ~d followup brings you straight towards whichever direction the chain was in at 100 mph. The trajectory changes based on how far the chain is.

            The ~b followup shoots you upwards and then you fly at an angle towards your chain's direction. The angle changes based on how far the chain is.

            The ~c followup allows you to cross your opponent up 'for free' and stops your momentum wherever your chain was.

            ~a will cancel your chain and 'retract' it.

            You can use two followups (pulls) in rapid succession, and put yourself in a great position or do something really tricky. You just don't want to end up in a bad place - the corner, with no stocks left, and the opponent getting in on you. Get really comfy with your movement options and zoning choices. Be creative, be thorough and try to learn everything that you can with your drive. There are a lot of situations where you should stop trying to get in and let them come to you. Make it hard to get to you and always have a chain in their face. It could be that your opponent is really scary up close and doesn't respect anything, maybe you lost the life lead, just keep in mind that you don't have to get in, you can make them come to you, giving you the upper hand. Your primary zoning tools are j.5d, 6d, j.6d. Other chains are good occasionally or for some matchups but these will be your go-to for annoying people. If you guess wrong with 5d and see them in the air you can try to ~d pull and air grab them if you're feeling it. Just be careful. When you use your pull you want to make a choice that puts you at an advantage, not the enemy.

            So to break things down more, ~d will be your primary movement tool for getting around the stage. You can do a lot of things with ~d momentum, like running away and zoning to be annoying, using it to approach, sometimes to get out of a sticky situation. There's a lot of leniency to manipulate momentum during your pulls, giving you greater freedom to stop yourself mid-pull. For example, if you just do 4d~d, you'll shoot way into the air but if you cancel your pull asap with j.a you'll barely move up at all. It doesn't matter what move you use, they all stop momentum, but stick to j.a or j.b+c for less chance of being counterhit. It's important to note that you can throw out another chain to stop your momentum.

            Now, just because ~d might be the primary tool, doesn't mean you don't use other ones. When you shoot your chain and it's still close to you, cancelling it with ~c has some interesting effects and follow up potential. You can use 6d~c and 4d~c as crossup shenanigans, you can do 5d~c and then shoot another chain in the air, you can use two ~c pulls and shoot yet another chain. Obviously at this point you want them to either get hit by it or block it so try to make the right read. A really simple thing you might do is pull yourself in on a blocked chain like j6d with ~c, but there are so many other options with it, better ones I think, that you can experiment with.

            The ~batman followup. Well, you can get really creative with this, but it's definitely something that you commit to, so you can get hit out of it. You mostly use this to evade things, you kind of have to get an instinct and a feel for when to use it. This option also allows you to stop your movement with another move after a certain point, it's good to use a chain right here. It's not bad for getting yourself on the other side of the screen doing stuff like 6d (full extend)~b. As far as baiting DPs it might feel kind of clunky, it is possible but a good player will be trying to IB chains and react to your pulls. I have the most success with j4d~b but don't rely on it or abuse it.

            Sometimes, you make a mistake with where you threw your chain. You have the option to cancel it, which can help you out in many situations. You'll be using this a lot when you're out of stocks. [x]d~a can get your opponent to think you're making a zoning mistake when you're really just baiting them. Do it right though, don't let it get punished by watching your spacing.

            +When to use it: When a pull won't save your ass, when you guessed wrong, maybe you want to bait a sledge or whatever.

            -When not to use it: When you guess right, i.e you press 6d ~a as your opponent jumps. :vbang:

            Finally, a couple more pulls to get you started.

            j4d~d: Get you in there, if you don't spam this, stopping your momentum with j.b will snag your opponent a lot or at least start up a blockstring. Can land and dash into whatever as well.

            j6d~b: Frustrates zoners and can make dps wiff, cancel with another j6d and you've just figured out Hazama.

            2d~d: Get in to the air and start to troll, mostly a GTFO move

            [*] > j.6d or j.8d to set up a pull in or a run away

            [*]j.2d~d> get back to the ground

            [*]j.5d- just something to consider. kind of a zoning OS.

            [*]

            6d~d: You fly up into the air, lots of options

            j.6d~d: Full screen airdash

            4d~d>j.6d~d- nice movement option

            Enjoy.

          ]]>          5269Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:53:00 +0000          <![CDATA[[CSE] Hazama Video Posting & Discussion Thread]]>https://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/3928-cse-hazama-video-posting-discussion-thread/A separate thread for the BBEX videos so you don't confuse people. Keep any dumb shit in that tophat thread, YOU know the one....

          ]]>          3928Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:45:09 +0000          [CSE] Iron Tager Video Threadhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/3902-cse-iron-tager-video-thread/CSX (extend) VIDS ONLY!

          This is a archive for the Japanese Blazblue CS Extend Tager matches.

          I will regularly update this.

          If for some reason there is a nico link here then use the redirector below to view videos.

          http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html

          Here is a list of Japanese Tager players.

          Galileo (ガリレオ)

          Mato

          Yuumura (ゆーむら )

          Kawin/Akira (カヰン)/(アキラ)

          Akizuki/Kamisama

          Puu (プー)

          Nekonin (ねこにん)

          Muramatsu (村松)

          Kouji (小路)

          Tiku

          Barell

          Pet

          Shisshou

          Kude

          Osuban

          Hage

          Guran

          Vs :RG:

          Yuumura vs Yutta

          Yutta vs Kamisama/Akizuki

          Pet vs Mokkorin

          Shisshou vs Fang

          Shisshou vs Kaqn

          Shisshou vs Kaqn *Casuals set*

          Shisshou vs Kaqn 2

          Shisshou vs Kaqn 3

          Shisshou vs Kaqn 4 *end*

          Shisshou vs Fang

          Yutta vs Yuumura

          Kaqn vs Yuumura *Casuals set*

          Kaqn vs Yuumura2

          Kaqn vs Yuumura3

          Kaqn vs Yuumura4

          Kaqn vs Yuumura5 *end*

          Yuumura vs Yutta

          Kaqn vs Akira *casual set*

          Kaqn vs Akira2

          Kaqn vs Akira3 *end*

          Satoru vs Pet

          Pet vs Sakamoto Ryoma

          Yuumura vs Mishidoki

          Yuumura vs Naru ~missed video~

          Osuban vs Naru

          Rokurian sei oka vs Fouru

          Rokurian sei oka vs Ha^remue^su

          Tiku vs Sakamoto Ryoma

          Kude vs Kazuhe

          Akira vs Sakamoto Ryoma

          Yuumura vs Yutta

          Yutta vs Unknown Tager

          Unknown Ragna vs Unknown Tager

          Yumura vs Ga^do Sareru Waza

          Meshidoki vs Yumura

          Yutta vs Yumura

          Yutta vs Akizuki

          Asage vs Matsuno

          Unknown Ragna vs Yumura

          Akira vs Majikaru Obasan

          Sakamoto Ryouma vs Puu

          Doitsu sei vs Sousuke

          Yumura vs Fang *casual set*

          Yumura vs Fang2

          Yumura vs Fang3 *end*

          Yumura vs Kaqn

          Yumura vs Kaqn2

          Meshidoki vs Akizuki

          Yutta vs Akizuki

          Buppa vs Akizuki

          Fang vs Walfuru

          Yutta vs Akizuki

          Akira vs Sakamoto Ryouma

          Unknown Ragna vs Unknown Tager

          Maririn vs Barell

          Ren vs Barell

          Unknown Ragna vs Unknown Tager

          o Ani CHA n vs Akira

          Yumura vs Gatsu

          Kaqn vs Yumura *Casual set*

          Kaqn vs Yumura2

          Kaqn vs Yumura3 *end*

          Yumura vs Yutta

          Shisshou vs Yutta

          Unknown Ragna vs Yumura

          Sakamoto Ryouma vs Akira

          Unknown Tager vs Yutta

          Akira vs Sumisu

          Yumura vs Gatsu

          Sakamoto Ryouma vs Hage

          RAGNYA vs Mato

          Unknown Ragna vs Rutent

          Yumura vs Naru

          Unknown Ragna vs Akizuki

          Akizuki vs Unknown Ragna (Gatsu?)

          Akira vs Komomo

          Minami vs Akira

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Ragna

          Unknown Tager vs Yutta

          Akizuki vs Yutta

          Yumura vs Buppa

          Yumura vs Buppa 2

          Naru vs Unknown Tager

          Isa vs Akira

          Kogatan vs Akira

          Karasu Hane vs Istd

          Fuse vs Hage

          Istd vs Hage

          Yamada vs Nahato

          Bora vs Sabure

          Meshidoki vs Yumura

          Yumura vs Yutta

          Minastral vs Z E L

          Sakamoto Ryouma vs Petto

          Gomikuzu vs Yumura

          Sabure vs Akira

          Gatsu vs Yumura

          Buppa vs Yumura

          Yumura vs Kaqn

          Minami vs Tiku

          Istd vs Tiku

          Kaima vs Akizuki

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Ragna

          Unknown Ragna vs Unknown Tager

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Ragna

          Satoshi vs Mato

          Unknown Ragna vs Charin ~new~

          Arufuren vs Tiku

          Vs :JI:

          Motomi vs Yuu

          Motomi vs Buru^Hawai

          Miya vs Yuumura

          Kaqn vs Yuumura

          Yuumura vs Kaqn

          Yuumura vs Kaqn2

          Yuumura vs Kaqn3

          Yuumura vs Miya

          Kotaro vs TOM

          Kumuihito vs Jurono

          Akira vs Ren

          Akira vs Shirushi

          Mosa vs Osuban

          Tiku vs Unknown Jin

          Akira vs Suruushi

          Rin vs Pet

          KLY vs Yumura

          Kaqn vs Yumura

          Akira vs KEI

          Unknown Jin vs Snow Coppelia

          Mariwo vs Minami

          Akira vs Ren

          Yumura vs Raian

          Yumura vs Miya

          Shisshou vs Miya

          Sakuma vs SAKUMA

          Rasuku vs Eruo

          Mato vs Sesshou

          Kagetsu vs Miya

          Mrisa vs Pet

          Yumura vs Mi-ya

          Pureja vs Cha-jiman

          Yumura vs Kaqn ~new~

          Yumura vs Kaqn2

          GOLD vs Akizuki

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Jin

          Vs :NO:

          GUCCI vs Kamisama/Akizuki

          Maruko vs TOM

          Dou^e vs Guran

          Rushiferin vs Guran

          Kude vs Mirori

          Yuu vs Chikin

          Akira vs R-1

          Bareru vs Yuuki

          Yumura vs Ryuuguu

          Unknown Noel vs Unknown Tager

          Takeyama vs Pet

          Iori vs R-1

          Pet vs Takeyama

          Uknown Tager vs Unknown Noel

          Shu-ichi vs Akira

          Akira vs R-1

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Noel

          Atorasu vs R-1

          Hage vs Noririn

          Matsuno vs Takashii

          Takeyama vs Petto

          Kusoyarou vs Bora

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Noel

          R-1 vs Pet

          Minori vs Akira

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Noel

          Fukagyaku vs Mato

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Noel

          Yuu vs Kaara ~new~

          Vs :RA:

          Akira vs Serori

          Kamisama/Akizuki vs Kinoko

          Ishi I vs TOM

          Unknown Tager vs Matsu

          Pet vs Kyota

          Yumura vs Hyaku shoku

          Kaede vs Kamisama/Akizuki

          Yumura vs Mazo hime/Matsu

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Rachel

          Matsu vs Yumura

          Matsu vs Yumura

          Matsu vs Tsukishima shuukoro

          Unknown Rachel vs Unknown Tager

          Walfuru vs Matsu

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Rachel

          Ooutsosuki vs So-hei

          Kinoko vs Akizuki

          PB vs Hyaku Shoku

          Kinoko vs Osuban

          Nyomu vs Mato

          Pet vs Jager

          Hyaku Shoku vs Akira

          Unknown Tager vs Jager

          Unknown Rachel vs Unknown Tager

          Unknown Rachel vs Unknown Tager

          Unknown Rachel vs Kouji ~new~

          Vs :TA:

          Tom vs Tiku

          Yuita vs Yuumura

          Kude vs Hige

          Akira vs Satsuno

          Mat vs Kazuhira

          Yumura vs Mi^kun ~Q~

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Tao

          Naoya vs Pinku no akuma

          Neko mata vs Matsuno

          Naoya vs Pet

          Yumura vs Tsukishima shuu kyuu rou

          Mattan vs Nihiki Kansouritsu 5% Miman

          Unknown Tao vs Snow Coppelia

          Shonichi vs Barell

          Unknown Taokaka vs Unknown Tager

          Pet vs Yuuto

          So-se-jitopoteto vs Akizuki

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Tao (You have to go to the match manually I can't time stamp it.)

          Satsuno vs Hage

          Waffuru vs Osuban

          Ginsei gou vs Shinokuji

          Izayoi matoi? vs Unknown Tager

          Satsuno vs Akira

          Pet vs Izayoi Matoi

          Izayoi Matoi vs Furimuki

          Mato vs Kazuhira

          Yuuto vs Tetsuyaake

          Bora vs Kazuhira

          Seji vs Tiku ~new~

          Ichikawa Shokudou no ten'in san vs Kazuhira

          Vs :CA:

          Akira vs Nisshi

          Kichiku Megane vs Guran

          Akira vs Ryuusei

          Dio vs Yumura

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Carl

          Nansuu vs Osuban

          Kabuto vs Pet

          Pinku no Akuma vs Yutori

          Pet vs Ryuusei

          Guran vs Izu

          Aoba vs Ryuusei

          Pet vs Ryuusei

          Toaru vs Unknown Tager

          Pet vs Shoshinsha ojisan

          Akizuki vs Haina-Dorai

          Yumura vs VER

          Pet vs Unknown Carl (Rerebo?)

          Ryusei vs Akira *FT10 start*

          Ryusei vs Akira2

          Ryusei vs Akira3

          Ryusei vs Akira4

          Ryusei vs Akira5

          Ryusei vs Akira6 *FT10 end*

          Kyaku vs Akira

          Kyaku vs Akira2

          Kyaku vs Akira3

          Pet vs Ryuusei

          Shiro vs Ryuusei

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Carl

          Ryuusei vs Akira *FT10 start* ~new~

          Ryuusei vs Akira2

          Ryuusei vs Akira3

          Ryuusei vs Akira4

          Ryuusei vs Akira5

          Ryuusei vs Akira6 *FT10 end*

          Vs :LI:

          Akira vs Kyaro

          Shisshou vs Fio

          Pet vs Kimura

          Yuumura vs Youjo

          Yuumura vs Fio

          Akizuki vs Fio

          Bareru vs Kimura

          Pet vs Hane

          Mitsuda vs Chikin

          Unknown Litchi vs Unknown Tager

          Akira vs Hane

          Garongerosha vs Unknown Tager

          Snow Copellia vs Mino

          LeMu vs Snow Copelia

          Poppo vs Yuu

          Jaku Niku vs Yau

          Mio vs Hage

          Unknown Litchi vs Mato

          Unknown Litchi vs Unknown Tager

          HAC vs Mogimogi

          Unknown Tager vs Unknown Litchi ~new~

          ]]>          3902Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:56:45 +0000          [CSE] Hazama Technical Gameplay Discussionhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/4766-cse-hazama-technical-gameplay-discussion/

          Thread Rules

          Read Before Posting

          As part of our efforts to better the Hazama forums and Hazama players, we will begin a movement to more actively discuss our character's strengths and weaknesses as it pertains to different situations. This thread is intended to discuss effective frame traps, pressure, oki, oki setups, combos that aren't the TK loop, TRM, and anything else in a more general and overall gameplay sense. Specific vs. character discussion can take place here as well, but if so I ask you take anything relevant and useful information you find and put it in that character's matchup thread. Anything found to be relevant and effective will be added to the CSE Hazama guide so that thread can remain a very easy to read and easy to find the necessary information.

          This is not a general off-topic thread, nor is it a newbie QnA thread. Take any newcomer questions to this thread. It is for serious discussion of Hazama's gameplay in a more technical aspect. Anything like spam, non-gameplay questions or answers, trolling or anything less than reasoned and logical contributions are strictly prohibited and punishments measures will be asked for/taken.

          I'm not going to ask you to have some ridiculous posting format, but I would like for you to put the topic of your post bolded and underlined at the top of your post so people can easily find out what aspect of his gameplay you are talking about. If you have evidence, then please present it by hyperlinking the url to the word "Evidence". Example:

          Pressure

          I feel doing 5B 6A is a good frametrap for catching people trying to jump or mash out.

          Evidence

          If you believe someone's information to be incorrect, provide a logical response using either verifiable evidence or deductive reasoning. No personal attacks or flaming.

          If you have doubts about the relevancy or accuracy of your post, PM me or a mod or someone else who you feel is intelligent enough to answer you.

          If anything else needs to be added at a later date to help maintain order or clarity, then I will do so.

          ]]>          4766Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:30:36 +0000          [CSE] Iron Tager Combo Threadhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/4135-cse-iron-tager-combo-thread/This is for CSX combo's only!

          Hello vets and newcomers this thread was made for the specific purpose of talking about, creating, and learning combos.

          BnB(bread n butter): Basic combos that you should learn starting out.

          Heavy damage: Highest damage potential off a good starter.

          Hit confirms: Landing a random hit and making the most out of it.

          What is a combo?

          In Blazblue combos are any sequence of attacks that is colored red so a basic idea for CS is: 5A>5B>3C.

          this combo will "red beat" whereas something that combo's blue is not a real combo.

          Another general rule for a combo is: Purple grabs are not in combos because they are easy to tech and blue beat, normal grabs are green and are harder to break.

          Purple grabs are useful for tech traps...well they used to be.

          Do not post tech traps in this thread, we have a different thread for that.

          Now with that out of the way let this thread spread its combos.

          also I will make a FAQ(frequently asked questions) so the new players won't feel lost.

          When you add a combos to this thread add heat gain and damage as well, In this game the heat gain is nuts and we optimize heat gain and damage way more than before.

          ]]>          4135Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:41:57 +0000          [CSE] Frame Data: Hazamahttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/4423-cse-frame-data-hazama/have fun.

          also keep in mind: the frames and notes on all chains and chain followups could be typos, but i can't really say for sure. there were typos for jakou needing more recovery and mizuchi's minimum damage, but mizuchi's is corrected while jakou's isn't. therefore i can't conclude if the data on there is already corrected or needs correcting.

          ]]>          4423Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:56:14 +0000          [CS2] Hazama vs. Rachelhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/3642-cs2-hazama-vs-rachel/Matchup Ranking: 5.5-4.5 Hazama's favor

          Recommended Playstyle:

          Offensive, don't stay still, fly around alot

          Basic/Matchup overview:

          Fly around her zoning tools, you can punish lobelia if she throws one while you're a little farther than half screen away from her. Abuse your movement and watch out for pumpkin. You want to be in her face in this match up.

          long-distance: Throw chains at long distance to pressure her and stop her from summoning stuff. If Rachel does summon and take advantage and get into her face. Be careful as WIND WILL TOTALLY MESS WITH YOUR MOVEMENT.

          mid range: Rachel's pokes are pretty decent, 3C and 2B are the normals to use in neutral. Try to make her come to you and force her to get hit by a chain. If Rachel tries to come down on you with J.2C 214D~B her.I don't like mid range with Rachel very much.

          short range: This is where Hazama shines in this match up. Stay on her and keep the pressure on. Rachel doesn't have a good way of breaking out of pressure as her normals are slow and she has no reversal super. If you think they're mashing catchair use jump cancelable moves and bait it. GO IN and abuse your big damage.

          Best tools: Chain movement to fly around her zoning.

          Things To Look Out For:

          Jumping in or chaining in is suicide, as Rachel's 6A (Cat punch) if a really good anti air, and it goes behind her. :psyduck:

          NEUTRAL TECH WIND!: Omg this crap gives me a headache. If you knock Rachel down and she does neutral tech wind, well shit there's not much you can do about it, sometimes she can wind into you and CH your wiffed move if you meaty poorly. If Rachel winds away from you can chase her to keep pressure but she will be able to block as it is nonpunishable and you have to call it out to give chase.

          J.A instant overhead: Watch out from J.A instant overhead, as it leads into knock down and pressure into the same set up (totally not broken:vbang:). I guess if you're baller you could react to 4 frame jump start up every time (lol stay godlike A.X.I.S). To get out you pretty much have to guess. Also remember that she needs 2 wind to perform it.

          ]]>          3642Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:25:17 +0000          [CS2] Hazama VS Hazamahttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/3621-cs2-hazama-vs-hazama/Hosoku! Touse, ichi! Yoweehe!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCtUk_kglVg

          General Overview

          The mirror match can be very hard to play for players who are not accustomed to the matchup. The reason for this is that this is the only match-up where the opponent has a tool as good as your chains - his own! The neutral game in this match-up is thus like no other. Hazama VS Hazama is the best match for practicing your zoning (seriously).

          Neutral

          The neutral game is really a test of who's the better zoner. Use your chains and keep an eye on your opponent. Make sure that your chain is going in the opponent's direction. If he chains wrongly, you get a hit. If he chains in your direction, there'll be a clash and you go back to neutral, ensuring you never lose out. Because of this, it is very helpful to use your oroborous stocks to move erratically as it makes it much harder for the other Hazama to use his chains well. Read Dusty's guide for more information on how to improve your zoning and movement!

          You will want to chain in on Hazama to lock down his annoying movement (lol). His anti-airs are no longer as good as in CS1, but 2C and 214D~B are both still decent anti-airs, so you need to vary your approach as usual. Note that flash kick has a very good hitbox. If you want to beat it, you will need to alter your momentum earlier compared to other anti-airs to make it whiff. Alternatively, you can block it and do j.4D.

          Defense

          Jayoku is an even worse option than usual thanks to Hazama's command grab. If you get it wrong and Jayoku while Hazama tries a command grab, you are, to put it simply, extremely fucked. Counter Assault falls to a similar fate. Keep in mind also that CA's range is bad so be aware of the spacing and do not barrier block your opponent before using CA. Unfortunately, there is not much you can do about this. Hazama's pressure and mix-up is very strong and you will need to use barrier and IB wisely to save yourself. IBing 5B in particular is very important.

          Many Hazamas neglect to utilize 2B as part of their mixup, making jump outs an attractive options against such players. Following the same train of thought, watch your opponent's patterns and try to see which option he isn't using. You can then use that lapse to escape his offence.

          Hazama's defence is not good but his offence is pretty damn good, so there is not much you can do about it.

          Offence

          Read the above, change your point of view.

          Misc. tips/tricks/things to watch out for

          Not sure what to put here, it's your own character.

          ]]>          3621Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:47:25 +0000          [CS2] Hazama Video Posting/Discussion Threadhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/2663-cs2-hazama-video-postingdiscussion-thread/CS2 vids and shit. If you're posting vids, please use BIG BOLD LETTERS SO PEOPLE CAN KNOW YOU ARE HIP AND COOL

          If you are posting about said videos, please type normally like this. Stupidity is also shunned here.

          ]]>          2663Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:47:55 +0000          [CS2] How to effectively play Hazama in CS2https://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/4362-cs2-how-to-effectively-play-hazama-in-cs2/i've been looking at dustloop for a while now, but i myself was never a member. So now i am! first post & thread. I don't even know if im posting in the right place, but i'd hope some would direct to the proper place if not.

          So..this is about Hazama & how to use in properly in matches. Hazama was pretty much the reason i bought the game in the first place, so he's pretty much all i know. I know some of his basic & advanced combos. I know how he's supposed to be used...use the chain to zone, keep a person where you want them, get out of corners, force a person to make a mistake so you can capitalize on it....

          butttt, most of the time when i get into an actual match i can never seem to do any of these things well enough to win..or to even bring my opponent down to half life. i practice alot, & i just can't seem to keep a good streak going, or to even get 1 started. (lvl 39 with 70psr..& i've seen lvl 20 people with psr's wayyy higher than mine) i've only had the game for a couple months...i know it's people years ahead of me..that's why i came here

          it's alot of stuff here, but it's pages & pages over CS1 stuff..if i could get some fresh responses & strategies, it would help out a bunch.

          Thanx in advance.

          ]]>          4362Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:25:11 +0000          [CS2] Hazama Super Tutorialhttps://www.forums.dustloop.com/forums/topic/3889-cs2-hazama-super-tutorial/I made this thread to post info for the Hazama tutorial video project so we can hopefully get it done quicker.

          Info here can be also be taken as text tutorial for CS2 Hazama.

          I'm following the Ragna tutorial format since I found it appropriate to have the same format for every other character tutorial video (Hopefully). Some info here might be wrong so point out anything that seems off. I'll be updating this post whenever we get useful info or whenever I'm finished with a section of this.

          Thanks to everyone who contributed.

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          Introduction

          Hazama is a zoning and a rushdown character at the same time. He uses his drive to zone opponents from across the screen and to get closer to an enemy and start his pressure. Hazama shines in close-range and also fullscreen but he is quite weak in mid-range combat. His character design demands the user to fully utilize his zoning and rushdown tools and play a balanced mix of the two.

          Section 1: Movelist

          Normals

          5A (P1: 80; P2: 84; Adv.= 0)

          • Standing jab

          • Whiffs on all crouchers except Tager and Hakumen

          • Very useful anti-air, AA 5A can gatling into 5C/2C for confirming the combo

          • Gatlings into everything, gatlings into itself even on whiff, jump cancellable on hit

          5B (P1: 90; P2: 89; Adv.= +2)

          • Decent footsie tool

          • Along with 2A, staple pressure tool

          • Can be used for many setups. Frame traps, high-low, tick command grab, DP bait

          • Jump cancellable on hit, gatlings into 2B or 3C for low, 6C for throw bait, 6A for overhead frametrap, 6B for breaking a guard primer

          • Can be used as anti air. CH 5B AA – 214D~C

          5C (P1: 100; P2: 89(once); Adv.= -9)

          • Hits twice, some combos depend on which hit you cancel it on

          • Used in high damage combos

          • Decent anti-air, can gatling into 2C – 4D/ 4D for combo, CH 5C AA – 214D~C

          • Jump cancellable on 1st and 2nd hit, gatlings mostly used in combos, 5C – 6C is the standard corner OTG

          2A (P1: 80; P2: 84; Adv.= +1)

          • Crouching jab

          • Along with 5B, staple pressure tool. Excellent for tick throws and tick command grab

          • Cancels into 5B for air-tight pressure

          • Gatlings into most of his moves and also itself on whiff, NOT jump cancellable

          2B (P1: 80; P2: 86; Adv.= -11)

          • Low hit that can gatling into 5B (Once per string)

          • Good for frame traps. 2B – 3C common frametrap

          • Cancels into 214D. Can be used for high-low mixups

          • Can be used to OTG and punish late techs

          2C (P1: 90; P2: 89; Adv.= -11)

          • Great anti-air, frame 8~12 head invul, usually trades with most air moves in Hazama’s favour

          • With 50%+ heat, CH 2C AA leads to phenomenal damage

          • Gatlings into 5C (Once per string), 3C and is jump cancellable

          • OTGs. Used for high damage combos

          3C (P1: 80; P2: 92; Adv.= -6)

          • Emergency Techable

          • Deceptively large range. Used in footsies

          • Only special cancellable. End pressure whenever used in blockstring. Leaves you at a great disadvantage on block. Cancel into 214D or 236D to make it safe

          • Has enormous damage potential on CH

          • Used in staple BnB combos

          j.A (P1: 90; P2: 84)

          • Good for tick throw and command grab setups

          • Can be used to confirm air-to-air hits into combos

          • Can cancel into throw in the air

          j.B (P1: 90; P2:86)

          • Excellent horizontal reach. Great for air-to-air and chain approaches

          • Can cross up. Second part of active frames hit behind Hazama

          • Used in staple air combo ender. Cancels into j.C

          • Can be used to reset with 6A after landing landing

          j.C (P1: 90; P2: 89)

          • Does 5 hits with different animations. 5th hit has a bonus proration of 110%

          • Not useful for air-to-air pokes. Useful for keeping blocking opponent in the air under pressure

          • Used in all of Hazama’s air combos

          • Can jump cancel the first 2 hits of j.C

          j.2C (P1: 90; P2: 92)

          • Great horizontal hitbox

          • Used for crossups. Instant airdash 2C from any jump cancellable normal. Also used for chain approaches

          • Jump cancellable

          6A (P1: 70; P2: 92, Adv.= -5)

          • Go-to overhead. Forces crouch on ground hit and grounds opponent on air hit

          • Mostly used as a combo starter and can only be cancelled into super. Can be used in advanced, high damage combos

          • Should mostly be used when Hazama has meter to cancel into Jayoku. Can combo on Tager and Hakumen if hit without meter. Can also combo if CH

          • Unsafe on block and can easily be disrespected. If disrespected, it is possible to gatling 6A from a blocked 5B for frametrap that beats many mash attempts except DPs

          • The deceiving animation makes it one of the harder overheads to block

          6B (P1: 90; P2: 89, Adv.= +3)

          • A kick that hits low. Breaks a guard primer. Can only cancel into supers

          • Very good move if used correctly. Mainly used for frametraps. Should only be used if you condition the enemy to block. Can be easily disrespected because of rather slow startup

          • Startup animation closely resembles 6A. Can be used to fake an overhead and hit low. Higher damage output than 6A

          • Strongly recommended to gatling 6B from 5B for the frame advantage

          6C (P1: 100; P2: 89(Once), Adv.= 0)

          • Hazama throws 3 knives. The first knife to hit will break a guard primer. Frames 17~35 in the air.

          • Used mainly in combos and has no repeat proration. Also used to bait a throw break and hit with a CH

          • Grounds opponent on air hit and catches bad tech rolls. Cannot emergency tech. Best gatlings from 5B and 5C

          • Hazama’s best combo starter

          Specials

          Jabaki [236D] (P1: 100; P2: 70; Adv. = +1)

          • Staple combo extender in the corner, gives wallbounce after 3C

          • Allows Hazama to make nearly all of his pokes, such as 3C, extremely safe as an immediate special cancel is a true blockstring and is +1 on block

          • Good for ending combos with near corner as the blowback will carry them to the corner

          • 10% repeat prorate

          Jasetsu [214D]

          • Minimum charging time of 6F, after which A/B/C follow-ups can be used

          • Charged follow-ups require 26F of charging time

          • Special cancelling into this gives high-low mix-up with followups

          • Punishable if used predictably

          Ressenga [214D -> A] (P1: 60; P2: 89; Adv. = +2)

          • Very fast overhead at 19F start-up.

          • Can only combo on hit against Hakumen and Tager (Ressenga > 5A) if not CH

          • Allows Hazama to continue pressure even on block.

          • Travels quite a distance.

          Ressenga (Charged) [214D -> A] (P1: 60; P2: 94; Adv. = +5)

          • Can be comboed on hit against the entire cast

          • Foot invulnerable throughout animation

          • Very plus on block, can easily continue pressure after

          • Travels a very long distance

          Gashoukyaku [214D -> B] (P1: 60; P2: 80; Adv. = -20)

          • Invulnerable from frame 1 of the move itself, but only after the mandatory 6F of Jasetsu charging

          • Decent anti-air and is air unblockable

          • Somewhat safe for Hazama when blocked in the air despite frame disadvantage due to pushback. The higher in the air they block, the safer it is

          • Can only be comboed into on a counter hit

          Gashoukyaku (Charged) [214D -> B] (P1: 75; P2: 90; Adv. = -18)

          • Fatal Counter possible. On Fatal Counter, leads into good damage and amazing heat gain

          • Almost unpunishable when blocked in the air

          Zaneiga [214D -> C] [P1: 80; P2: 90; Adv. = -1)

          • Low that leads into huge damage and heat gain

          • Breaks 1 guard primer

          • 40% repeat prorate; charged version counts as well

          Zaneiga (Charged) [214D -> C] (P1: 85; P2: 94; Adv. = +1)

          • Does more damage and gives more untechable time compared to the normal version

          Stance Cancel [214D -> D]

          • Useful for baiting out DPs or bursts.

          • An immediate stance cancel off a normal, such as 3C -> 214D -> D, will not improve Hazama's frame advantage

          • Although it makes some moves safe, it is still far too slow to bait some of the faster and DPs and ones with bigger hitboxes

          Hirentotsu [j.214B] (P1: 75; P2: 92; Adv. = -10)

          • Staple air combo ender, gives knockdown for oki

          • Takes 1 guard primer

          • Does NOT hit overhead

          • Can be Tiger Kneed (21478B)

          • On counter hit, causes opponent to bounce and can be comboed into for nice damage and amazing meter gain

          • Very unsafe on block. Mainly used as a combo ender

          Gasaishou [236C] (P1: 100; P2: 100,60; Adv. = +11*)

          • Decently fast command grab that gives 5% heat

          • Frame advantage is off a successful grab

          • 6-12F fully invulnerable, making it very hard to stuff with an attack

          • Makes Hazama's mix-up very strong when combined with staggered dashes

          Jakou [623D] (P1: 70; P2: 100)

          • Mostly used to extend air combos

          • Can be used as an anti-air on occasion, is air unblockable

          • The distance of between the opponent and Hazama during Jakou makes it Burst-safe most of the time

          • 40% repeat prorate

          Distortion Drives

          Jayoku Houtenjin [236236B] (P1: 50; P2: 94; Adv. = -34)

          • A very important part of Hazama's gameplay. Can be comboed into from almost anything and leads into huge damage and meter gain

          • Breaks 1 guard primer

          • Hazama's only true DP. Invulnerable 1-6F

          • Almost always trades in Hazama's favor as he can combo afterwards. (Doesn't trade well with moves that have large stagger on CH and high untechable time)

          • Fatal Counter possible

          • 50% repeat prorate

          • Bad combo starter

          Mizuchi Rekkazan [632146C] (P1: 100; P2: 82,100,84X9; Adv. = -46)

          • Projectile invulnerable after superflash

          • Can be used as a combo ender after a long combo for good minimum damage

          • Can be rapid cancelled and continued with a combo

          Astral

          Senkon Meiraku (Adv. = -43)

          • Can be easily comboed into from many of his moves

          • Invulnerable for 1-90F

          Section 2: Combos

          1. Midscreen meterless non CH

          2. Midscreen meterless CH

          3. Midscreen 50% heat

          4. Corner 50% heat

          5. 100% heat (Midscreen and corner)

          6. Corner throw

          7. Command Grab Combos

          8. TK Hirentotsu combos

          Notations:

          AA = Anti-Air

          CH = Counter Hit

          FA = Far away version of D

          FC = Fatal Counter

          JC = Jump Cancel

          RC = Rapid Cancel

          TK = Tiger Knee (21478 or 8214)

          (*) = Optional

          Beginner

          Intermediate

          Advanced

          1. Midscreen meterless non CH:

          5C(2) > 2C > 3C > Jabaki

          5C(2) > 2C > 3C > Ressenga Lv1

          Ressenga Lv2 > 2A > 5B > 3C > Jabaki

          Ressenga Lv2 > 5A > 5B > 5C > Jabaki

          AA 5A > 5C(2) > 2C > 4D~D > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          AA 5A > 5C(2) > 623D > dash 3C > Ressenga

          FA 5D~D > 2C > (dash)5B > 5C(2) > 2C > 3C > Jabaki

          FA j.6D~D > j.B > dash 2A > 5B > 5C(2) > 3C > Jabaki

          FA 6D~D > j.B > j.C(x2) > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu [on air hit]

          FA 6D~D > j.Cx5 > land 5C > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu [on air hit]

          Zaneiga(Lv2) > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~D > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          Zaneiga(Lv2) > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 5C > 2C > jc > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          Zaneiga(Lv2) > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 5C > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          Zaneiga(Lv2) > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 5C > Jakou > dash 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan

          6D~A (FA) > 623D > dash 3C > Ressenga [dash 3C link can vary in difficulty depending on the distance Jakou hits]

          2. Midscreen meterless CH:

          CH Ressenga > 5B > 5C(2) > 2C > 3C > Jabaki

          CH 3C > Zaneiga (Lv2) > (dash)6C > 5C (2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~D > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          AA CH 5B > Zaneiga Lv1 > (dash)6C > 5C (2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~D > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          CH 5C [First hit] > Zaneiga Lv1 > (dash)6C > 5C (2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~D > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          FA CH 6D~A > 5D~D > j.Cx2 > land 66C > dash 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~D > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          CH 5C [First hit] > Zaneiga Lv1 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D > j.8D > Jakou > j.6D > 66C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 5C > Jakou > dash 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan

          CH 3C > Zaneiga (Lv2) > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D > 66C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 5C > Jakou > dash 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan

          3. Midscreen 50% heat:

          6A > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > dash 3C > Jabaki

          6A > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 5C > 2C > jc > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          6A > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 5C > 2C > jc > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          6A > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 5C > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          6A > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 5C > Jakou > dash 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan

          5C > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66A > 665C > 6C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > 665C > Jakou > dash 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan

          AA 2C(CH) > Jakou > Dash 3C > Hotenjin > Dash 6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 5C > 2C > jc > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          NOTE: You can replace the 6A starter with any other starter that can combo into Houtenjin.

          5. 100% heat:

          5C > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > (dash)6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66A > 665C > 6C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > 665C > Houtenjin > backdash > Jakou > dash 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan [Midscreen]

          NOTE: Only Works on Ragna, Lambda, Tager, Makoto, Mu, Valkenhayn

          5C > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > dash 6C > 5C > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > Jakou > 5C > 6C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > Houtenjin > backdash > Jakou > 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan [Corner]

          NOTE: After the Jakou > 5C > 6C, you can add an additional dash 5C > 6C and then do dash 2C to extend the combo but it is character specific. Will work on most of the characters listed above this combo.

          4. Corner 50% heat:

          6A > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > dash 6C* > dash 5C(2) > 6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > Jakou > dash 5C(2) > 6C > 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan

          6A > Houtenjin > (dash)Zaneiga Lv2 > dash 6C* > 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > Jakou > (dash)5C > 6C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 5C(2) > Jakou > 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan

          NOTE: As you're switching sides, you should press 6C from your original position, and technically a 4C.

          6. Corner throw:

          Air throw > Zaneiga Lv1 > dash 5C(2) > 6C > 2C > 4D~A > 6D~A > Jakou > (dash)5C > 6C > dash 2C > j.Cx5 > 5C > Jakou > (dash)3C > Ressenga Lv1 (Taokaka)

          Air throw > Zaneiga Lv1 > dash 5C(2) > 6C > 5C both hits > Jakou > 5C > 6C > 5C both hits > j.Cx5 > Jakou > 3C > Ressenga Lv1 (Litchi)

          Air throw > Zaneiga Lv1 > dash 5C(2) > 6C > dash 5C > 6C > dash 5C both hits > j.Cx5 > 5C(2) > Jakou > 3C > Jabaki > Jakou > 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan (Tager)

          Air throw > Zaneiga Lv1 > dash 5C(2) > 6C > 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > Jakou > (dash)5C > 6C > dash 2C > j.Cx5 > 5C > Jakou > (dash)3C > Ressenga Lv1 (Everyone else except Arakune)

          Forward throw > dash 6C > dash 3C > Jabaki > dash 6C > 5C(2) > 2C > 4D~D > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          Forward throw > dash 6C > dash 3C > Jabaki > dash 6C > dash 2C > j.Cx5 > 5C(2) > j.Cx2 > Hirentotsu

          Forward throw > dash 3C > Zaneiga Lv1 > dash 5C(2) > 6C > 2C > Jakou > 5C(2) > 6C > dash 2C > j.Cx5 > 5C(2) > Jakou > 3C > Ressenga Lv1 (Does not work on Arakune)*

          NOTE: Doesn't work on a bunch of characters actually but I didn't get to test it on everyone. I'd appreciate it if someone tested this.

          7. Command Grab Combos (Midscreen, corner and 50% meter):

          236C > Dash 2A > 5B > 2B > 5C(2) > 2C > 3C > Ressenga Lv1 (Midscreen)

          236C > 5C > 3C > Jabaki > Dash 6C > Dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > 5C > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu (Corner)

          236C > Houtenjin > Dash 6C > dash 5C(2) > 2C > 6D~A > 4D~A > j.8D~A > Jakou > j.6D~D > 66C > dash 5C > 2C > jc > j.B > j.Cx2 > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu (Midscreen)

          8. TK Hirentotsu combos

          Zaneiga Lv2 > 6C > dash 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > dash 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > dash 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > dash 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu [Midscreen heatless, Character Specific]

          5C > 3C > RC > 66C > 5C > 6C > dash 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > jc > j.Cx3 [Corner heatless]

          Backthrow > jc > FA j.6D~D > 66C > dash 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > jc > j.Cx5 > Hirentotsu

          5C > 3C > Jabaki > 66C > dash 5C > 6C > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 665C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > (5C > 2C or you could just end it)

          6C > dash Houtenjin > Zaneiga Lv2 > 6C > dash 5C > jc > j.Cx5 > land 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > RC > 6C > 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan [Corner 100% heat]

          6C > (dash) Houtenjin > Jakou > dash 5C > 6C > 665C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > dash 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > 5C > 2C > TK Hirentotsu > RC > 6C > 3C > Mizuchi Rekkazan [Hazama's back to the corner 100% heat]

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUiaUBo9ipU

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsxvs2iTRzY

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYbqiFD0oi0

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9teFvfDsqk

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPAS6tvg9fI

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiKCPXSBSjA

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyYFtUaOKls

          Videos cause I figured it might help some people with the timing and visual guides for links are good.

          Credits to me for making this, Fluck for writing up the specials section, Dusty for helping me with command grab combos and KayEff for giving me this idea.

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