KayEff said:

So this topic is for discussing anything Ragna related. Even gameplay.

Try to keep off-topic discussion to a minimum. I don't mind the occasional casual talk, for example how Lumin x CarnageScissors should be made into a movie, but I really don't want this topic to turn into another netplay general, or even PSN general. Doing so could bring some unwanted attention and cause a lot more mayhem than what this archaic forum already needs (and it doesn't need any).

What you should talk about:

• Ragna player discussion (from videos, casuals, etc.)
• General questions, i.e. fighting game term definitions
• Questions about a move's certain attributes
• How to perform BnBs
• How to become better as a ragna player
• Matchup discussion (although it's better suited for the actual matchup threads)

What you shouldn't talk about:

• Overuse of off-topic discussion
• Tier list discussion
• Combo theory (combo thread)
• What color palettes you wear/like/whatever the fuck about palettes

Well, with our first set of changes revealed and the first location test starting tomorrow (well, tonight), I suppose now is as good a time as any to start a new thread to discuss Ver2.0 Ragna. Now I'm not expecting anything wild (especially considering that this is Ragna we're talking about), but with all the recent Guard Cancel Over Drive hubbub, it seems that Ver2.0 will at least be a more significant re-balance than Ver1.1.

Final Changes

Courtesy of Famitsu, translated by SoWL

• 6A can now gatling into various Drive attacks.
• Ground Gauntlet Hades (214B) now staggers on hit, the follow-up (214D) floats lower and doesn't knock down.
• Belial Edge (j.214C) has different blowback.

Unlisted Changes

• Combo time from "Short" (FAST) starters has been reduced. Possibly a universal change to hitstun decay.
• Over Drive duration reduced.
• 5B now pushes the opponent lower on air hit. 5B > 5C is now easier to perform on opponents above Ragna.
• 5C's vertical hitbox has been greatly increased. 5B > 5C is now easier to perform on opponents above Ragna. Can now be canceled into 6C on block.
• 2B can now be canceled into 6A on hit or block.
• 6C's P2 (combo proration) has been increased from 82% (once) to 92%. The first hit is now special cancelable on block. The second hit now pulls the opponent back toward Ragna, allowing for easy mid-screen 6C (HJC) combos. 6C > Crush Trigger works. Can now be canceled into 5D on hit or block.
• j.A no longer combos into j.D.
• 5D's damage has been decreased from 550+760 (550+860) to 500+680 (500+780). P2 (combo proration) has been changed from 95%, 75% to 84% (once). The second hit of 5D now causes hard knockdown instead of ground bounces on air hit. The down state lasts long enough for 5D > Dead Spike to be possible. The first hit of (OD) 5D no longer enables immediate use of Mada owari ja nee zo. The ground bounce on the second hit of (OD) 5D has been greatly reduced.
• During a successful back throw, the opponent now launches lower.
• During a successful air throw, Ragna now moves forward after the knee.
• Hell's Fang's P1 (initial proration) has been increased from 75% to 90%. No longer allows for combo extensions on air hit.
• Tsuika Kougeki's start-up has been greatly decreased. Blowback on hit decreased.
• Inferno Divider now has reduced invincibility.
• Kakato Otoshi's P2 (combo proration) has been increased from 90% to 92%. No longer causes ground bounce on hit. The opponent can immediately emergency tech upon hitting the ground.
• Keri Age's P2 (combo proration) has been increased from 67% to 75%. (OD) Keri Age's P1 and P2 have been changed from 90% and 92% to 100% and 90% respectively. A delayed Keri Age now combos into 5B as standard.
• Dead Spike's blowback on air hit has been decreased.
• Belial Edge's damage has been changed from 600, 100*N to 500, 200*N. P2 (combo proration) has been increased from 87% to 92%. The last hit of Belial Edge now makes the opponent bounce on the spot on air hit, rather than bounce away. This enables full, mid-screen Belial Edge combos. The last hit once again has enough untechable time to land 3C afterwards.
• (OD) Blood Scythe's ground bounce has been increased.
• Carnage Scissors now has reduced invincibility.
• Yami ni Kuwarero's damage has been decreased from 0+3000 (0+6000) to 0+2700 (0+5400). Regular version's minimum damage has been increased from 25% to 30%. P1 (initial proration) has been increased from 80% to 100%.

Damage/Proration Chart
(Note: Changes are in bold.)

Move - Damage - P1 - P2
5A - 300 - 100 - 77
5B - 660 - 100 - 89
5C - 800 - 100 - 92
2A - 300 - 100 - 77
2B - 500 - 90 - 85
2C - 720 - 100 - 89
6A - 620 - 90 - 79
6B - 720 - 80 - 89
6C - 620*2 - 90 - 92
3C - 720 - 90 - 92
j.A - 300 - 80 - 77
j.B - 500 - 80 - 85
j.C - 620 - 80 - 89
Crush Trigger - 1000 - 80 - 100
5D - 500+680 (500+780) - 100 - 84 (once)
2D - 750 (850) - 80 - 94
6D - 750 (850) - 90 - 94
j.D - 590 (690) - 80 - 75
Forward Throw - 0+1400 - 100 - 100, 60
Back Throw - 0+1400 - 100 - 100, 60
Air Throw - 0+1400 - 100 - 100, 60
Hell's Fang - 730 - 90 - 82
Tsuika Kougeki - 950 (1150) - 100 - 92
Inferno Divider - 550*2 - 80 - 92
Aerial Inferno Divider - 550*2 - 85 - 92
Inferno Divider - 600*2 (700*2) - 100 - 92
Aerial Inferno Divider - 600*2 (700*2) - 100 - 92
Upper - 310 - 100 - 100
Yoko Fukitobashi - 400 - 100 - 70
Kakato Otoshi - 480 (680) - 100 - 92
Gauntlet Hades - 800 - 90 - 92
Aerial Gauntlet Hades - 700 - 90 - 92
Keri Age - 800 (1000) - 100 (100) - 75 (90)
Dead Spike - 1000 (600*3) - 90 - 92 (92 (once))
Mada owari ja nee zo - 0+952 - 100 - 100, 92
Belial Edge - 500+200*N - 90 - 92 (once)
Blood Scythe - 1200 (1400) - 90 - 82
Aerial Blood Scythe - 900 (1100) - 90 - 82
Carnage Scissors - 1000+2500 (1000+2500+300*4) - 85 - 92 (92*2, 99*4)
Devoured by Darkness - 0+2700 (0+5400) - 100 - 100, 5

1- General Guidelines

First and foremost, what is the definition of ideal positioning for Belial Edge? According to the Ragna 101 FAQ:

"Basically, the opponent needs to be above you by slightly less than the maximum possible amount required to land the first hit."

In other words, more often than not, the sweet spot is usually above Ragna (you) but enough to connect the first hit of Belial Edge. Hard to picture? Then take a look at these pictures. They are 3 possible, and common, scenarios where position can make a big difference between landing a sucessful Belial or not. One picture shows the optimal position, and the other 2 wrong positions (too low/too high in relation to the opponent). If you click in any of them you'll be redirected to an animation for their respective outcomes. Try guessing which one is the correct before clicking!

It's worth mentioning that while Ragna isnt particularly hard to hit, he's one of the few cases where hitting BE too low results in a failure (check the first picture). On characters like Jin and Hazama, hitting BE very low, just 1 pixel away from making it whiff, will still result in success.

When practicing combos have Ragna as a dummy and get the timing down using him as a base, so it may easier to adjust your timing accordingly versus the "exceptions" (specific characters).

So there you have it, this how usually the ideal position looks like.

2- Belial in combos

It's no secret that Belial in combos are important because most of Ragna's damaging and optimal routes use that move. However that's not always the case, there are combos where Belial can be discarded (regular meterless midscreen confirms) just because there are easier and better combos that yields the same and sometimes greater benefits.

For punish combos, crouching combos, RC combos and corner combos that's another story. Not using BE on those combos means sacrificing some damage, and that could make a difference in a real match. So, get it down!

2.1- Common routes

There are many, many ways to connect Belial Edge in a combo. In fact listing all of them wouldnt even be practical because each character can react in a different way to each of them. Instead let's focus on the most common ways a BE can be used in a combo and how to make them work properly on every character. Assume Ragna is midscreen unless stated otherwise.

• xx 6C (JC)> j.C> j.214C

Staple route for Ragna's most damaging combos. Relatively easy to adjust and works on most characters. It's usually done by jumping immediately after 6C, delaying j.C and performing Belial.

On most characters there should be no issues, but surprisingly it can be tricky on Ragna! When delaying j.C make sure you hit with it after Ragna's jumping peak.

If I had to put into numbers, where 0 is the earliest point of the jump and 100 where the dummy techs, j.C> j.214C would work at 60~90.

• xx 2D (RC)> 6C (JC)> j.C> j.214C

Same theory as the previous string, but the opponent is launched higher by OTG 6C. Because of the extra height caused by the OTG, the opponent will be slightly above you in relation to the previous string. This effectively means you have to delay j.C slightly more to compesate the extra height.

Still assuming those "timing numbers", j.C> j.214C would work at 65~95 in this case.

• xx 2D (RC)> 6C> delay 6D (JC)> j.C> j.214C

The 6D makes a huge difference in combo damage (can be as much as 300!). Again, jump (canceling) after 6D and delaying j.C is still the easiest way to adjust your timing. You must delay 6D in a way that, when jump canceling off it, the opponent stays above you during j.C, that should be done after the jump's peak.

And yes, this a difficult one and the timing is strict on Ragna.

• In the Corner

All those routes are easier and reliable in the corner because horizontal pushback is no longer a factor. The secret is just to position yourself right below your opponent, execute j.C> j.214C and that's it!

Really, if you can get the midscreen confirms down and consistently, then it shouldn't be a problem combo'ing in the corner.

Now, I talked about the Good (damage), the Bad (difficult) and now about the Ugly (Specifics).

2.2- Specific Characters

Guess what... none of those work on certain characters yaay! They are: Rachel, Makoto, Noel, Carl, Amane, Taokaka and Azrael.

In Azrael's and Amane's case, they all work but the timing is different. On them delay j.C, like, alot.

Against Taokaka you have to be slightly aligned with her, in a similar manner of executing pre-CPE Belial.

As for the rest, the timing is so difficult and specific that it's better to use other ways.

These are the other ways. Remember, I'm talking about midscreen confirms here.

• xx 6C (JC)> j.214C

Simple as that, jump and do a raw Belial. Either neutral or forward jump is fine and there are no specific timings here, but make sure Ragna reaches the peak of his jump.

Works on all problematic characters and others as well, but this does less damage .

• xx 6C> delay 6D (JC)> j.214C

If you're having issues with the previous string, try this one. Delay 6D alot and take note that the Belial here is actually a TK.

Now that you have essentially mastered the timing on Ragna and knows the specific characters, a difficult chart can be made to conclude that Belial midscreen aint so bad for most part! This is my personal opinion of course, maybe you're an execution God and has no problems landing even the most difficult and tight combos...

3- Difficulty per character

I kinda know which characters have less or specific timings, and fact, there are characters who will never let you drop the combo.

[table]

And that sums everything up (kinda)! Didnt want to get too specific about this, tried to keep it simple (and it is) but feel free to post any questions, suggestions, corrections etc... this is a discussion board

So this topic is for discussing anything Ragna related. Even gameplay.

Try to keep off-topic discussion to a minimum. I don't mind the occasional casual talk, for example how Lumin x CarnageScissors should be made into a movie, but I really don't want this topic to turn into another netplay general, or even PSN general. Doing so could bring some unwanted attention and cause a lot more mayhem than what this archaic forum already needs (and it doesn't need any).

What you should talk about:

• Ragna player discussion (from videos, casuals, etc.)
• General questions, i.e. fighting game term definitions
• Questions about a move's certain attributes
• How to perform BnBs
• How to become better as a ragna player
• Matchup discussion (although it's better suited for the actual matchup threads)

What you shouldn't talk about:

• Overuse of off-topic discussion
• Tier list discussion
• Combo theory (combo thread)
• What color palettes you wear/like/whatever the fuck about palettes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEhtShiaXg

@ 4:30 Bang (AV joyuu) vs Ragna (mokkorin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcjygLEEAag

@ 3:23: Valkenhayn (muneo doujou monkasei) vs Ragna (panpi-gou)

@ 6:23: Valkenhayn (Hima) vs Ragna (mokkorin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCp7rtdsu4c

@ 7:40: Bang (Dora) vs Ragna (panpi-gou)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_tH-DJd_ug

@ 5:05: Ragna (panpi-gou) vs Taokaka (alpha niiru pinku shoku no neko)

Afterwards: Valkenhayn (Hima) vs Ragna (panpi-gou)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muMOOBjl7mw

One match at the beginning: Tager (Yumura) vs Ragna (Yutta)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFGfFiyRDSU

Beginning: Lambda vs Ragna (Yutta)

@ 12:06: Ragna (Yutta) vs Arakune (Ver)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmObjh_OHRU

@5:30 Ragna (Yutta) vs Tager (Kamisama)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPT4Hfm3c44

Beginning only: Tager (Pet) vs Ragna (Mokkorin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USIvG0OmMew

Beginning only: Ragna (Sakamoto Ryoma) vs Jin (Ren)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QCcu2GbGDI

Beginning only: Ragna (Mokkorin) vs Lambda (nao san itoshi teru)

What is this? Anyone remember this thread?

Since Calamity Trigger, through Continuum Shift I and II, we've basically discovered many tricks with Ragna that help us everyday to win matches and rob matches from characters we'd otherwise never be able to do. However, since we always post our findings in the General Discussion threads, these valuable pieces of information can get lost over time and posts, and might be hard for those who wish to learn more about these sorts of things to find.

I thought it would be a good idea to organize our tricks, gimmicks, and option selects that we discover or observe from match videos into an organized thread, for the ease of newcomers and people who aren't always a part of the discussion in the general thread. No gimmick is too silly to include, because part of being a good player is the ability to surprise your opponent out of no where.

In this thread, you can post any

• Gimmicks (things like cross-ups or rapid cancel tricks)
  
• Non-ordinary Cancels
  
• Option Selects (whether they be in block strings or a part of your okizeme game)
  
• Any other tricks you've done that you feel are worth sharing.
  
  The ones who originally discovered/shared the information will be credited with their username in brackets after the name of the gimmick. I will be sure to update the opening post often and regularly. Now, on to the silliness!
  
  To understand some of the abbreviations used in this guide:
  
  • CH = Counter Hit
    
    
  • FC = Fatal Counter
    
  • JC = Jump Cancel
    
  • JCC = Jump Cancel Cancel
    
  • HJC = High Jump Cancel
    
  • DC = Dash Cancel
    
    
    
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    Cross-Up Divider: After any jump cancellable normal, you can Instant Airdash and perform a cross-up Inferno Divider. This can be performed on any character, at any time, but requires meter in order combo after (and even then, counter-hit is best). Can be followed up depending on position for 3k-4k. A sample combo that you could follow up in to:
    

    • IAD cross-up j.623C > Rapid > dash 5D(1) > 214D > (dash) 5C > HJC > j.C > j.D > JC > j.C > j.D > j.214C > dash 5C > 5D > 623C > 236C > 236C > cross under 3C > 22C
      
      
      The Veteru OS [Veteru]: After a knock down of any kind that leaves you near your opponent, input [22A~C], pianoing the A and C button. If done correctly, one of two things will happen:
      
      1. The opponent emergency techs, and you whiff a 2A over them, leaving you at an offensive advantage to bait reversals and other defensive options, or continue pressure should they choose to respect.
         
      2. The opponent does not emergency tech, and you pick them up with 22C, adding 400 damage to your combo and giving you a bit of heat.
         

      Keep in mind, 22C oki is not as strong as it was in past games, but is still very useful in many match-ups. Both options leave you with some sort of okizeme game to work off of, which is very important for Ragna if you want to keep the offensive momentum of the match.

      Meaty Deddo Supaiku [LuminAbyss]: After a knock down of any kind in the corner, you can (delay) Deadspike on your opponent, performing a meaty with a whopping 12 active frames. The only way to beat this is to neutral tech through it. Roll out attempts will be caught and launched, allowing you to go into a combo that lands anywhere from 4k to 8k, depending on the meter usage involved. Should the opponent neutral tech, this will force them to block or attempt to hit you with a reversal. At this point, you can bait any reversal attempts, and punish for even more damage.

      I Accidentally 22C [Rokunaya]: When attempting to go for a 3C off 22C oki, in hopes of catching with the low into another 22C, which can be a nice starter for combos provided you have meter, you have several options to cover your low mix-up attempt in case the opponent techs and blocks it. By pianoing 3C~22C~2D/214D/214(7)B/9, you can cover yourself. Essentially, you input the 22C after going for the 3C, but if it's blocked, 22C won't come out, and you simply go into:

      • 2D: This is a frame trap, as well as a double low mix-up. Thanks to the gatling from 3C > 2D on block, a gatling many people forget Ragna has, you can cover your 3C attempt and keep yourself safe with 2D's pushback and frame advantage ( -4 on normal block, meaning you're safe). The frame trap will catch people who will attempt to do anything to you after a blocked 3C, such as attempt to stuff a jump out attempt or special cancel attempt.
        
      • 214D: You can cancel into Deadspike off a blocked 3C, which is a nice away to end a block string (+3 on block). This will lose to most A button attacks, as well as many reversals, so be careful with using this. An opponent who respects your pressure, however, will allow you to get away with frame advantage, safety, and the removal of one guard primer.
        
      • 214(7)B: Otherwise known as Gauntlet Hades, Ragna's special overhead, as well as one of the faster overheads in the game. Because 3C is jump-cancelable, you can even make this a Tiger-Knee Gauntlet Hades, which is faster (16 frame start up, as opposed to normal GH's 20 frame start up), and easier to combo after meterless with a quick 2A link. However, both are unsafe on block, so should the opponent choose to block high after 3C, you will be at a disadvantage (-9 and -11 for TK and normal versions respectively), and can be punished. Don't overuse this option.
        
      • 9+AB: The safest option after a blocked 3C, is simply jump cancelling and jumping away, while barrier guarding in order to protect yourself from Air Unblockable normals (everyone has plenty of them). This will however, put you back at neutral, so be sure to think of the situation well enough before hand before deciding to do this or not. You can also use this jump cancel option to attack with his j.C.
        
        See the original post here.
        
        Don't Roll Away Dammit! [Rokunaya]: After an Axe Kick ender midscreen, you can catch rolls and late techs with a dash 2B. To make the most of this, you can do the following: After connecting with the 2B, you can input 22C~(5)B. If you do this correctly, similar to the Veteru OS, one of two things will happen:
        
        1. The opponent emergency tech, and you get a meaty, Air Unblockable 5B to start pressure with.
           
        2. The opponent doesn't tech, and you catch the opponent with 22C.
           

        Keep in mind, however, this OS is highly dependent on the proration of the combo that you used before attempting this, as well as character hitboxes.

        • Works on: Jin, Carl, Arakune, Hakumen, Tsubaki, , Mu, Tager, Valkenhayn [unstable, most likely due to aerial hitbox]
          
        • Fails on: Rachel, Bang, Hazama, Lambda, Taokaka, Noel, Makoto, Platinum, Ragna, Litchi
          
          Tager, where you lookin', brah? [LuminAbyss]: A character specific cross-up. After performing a jumping attack, on block or hit, at a specific height with Tager, you can perform aerial Gauntlet Hades, and cross him up. However, it is impossible to follow this up without 50 meter, but when you do, you can get 3k midscreen, and up to 4.5k in the corner. This gimmick will later be updated with a video example, since it is difficult to explain the height at which it's performed (however, it is relatively easy to achieve). The combos are as follows:
          
          • Midscreen: 214B (cross-up) > Rapid > dash 5B > 5D(1) > 214D > dash 5C > HJC > j.C > j.D > JC > j.C > j.D > 623D > 236C > 214D
            
          • Near Corner [Meaning you are now facing the corner after the cross up]: 214B (cross-up) > Rapid > dash 5B > 5D(1) > 214D > (dash) 5C > HJC > j.C > j.D > j.214C > dash 5D > DC > 3C > 22C > 5A > 5B > 623C > 236C > 236C > cross under 3C > 22C
            
            Note: This may be possible on other characters with taller hitboxes, but it's not worth the trouble.
            
            Screw Revolver Action, I'm Ragna! [Rokunaya]: A trick used to improve mix-up and pressure off of a blocked 6C. 6C can normally only be dash and jump canceled. However, utilizing the jump cancel option, we can cancel into grounded specials using the TK (Tiger Knee) input. For example: 6C (2 hits, blocked) > 2147D will give you Deadspike after your blocked 6C. Doing 2147A or 2147B will give you Hell's Fang and TK Gauntlet Hades, respectively. This increases your options after a blocked 6C for safety, pressure, or mix-up. The timing is odd, and requires some practice, but serves to be an awesome trick that will give you more motivation to use 6C as part of your pressure game.
            
            Wake-Up Reversal Bait [Rokunaya]: A universal game OS, but still very useful to know. When an opponent emergency or neutral techs after a knock down input either:
            
            • 2(A) > 5 > 4(B) (Better Proration; Harder)
              
            • 2(A) > 1(B) (Worse Proration; Easier)
              
              ( ) Indicates holding down the button. This OS works to bait slow reversals with invincibility (like Jin's C DP) as well as gold bursts on wake-up. Should they decide to attempt either of these, your 2A will whiff, and you will immediately begin barrier blocking after the recovery, which will give you enough time to block the reversal or gold burst's active frames. Should your 2A hit, you will perform either 5B or 2B (depending on which option you chose), and can go into a nice punish combo for further oki. This OS will not catch rolls, so try to use this once you've conditioned your opponent to emergency/neutral tech.
              
              See the original post here.
              
              2A x N! [Rokunaya]: Not exactly as the title says. This wake-up OS is performed by inputting [2A 2A+C x N]. If the 2A whiffs, you will continue to perform 2A. If the 2A connects, 2C will instead come out. On block, this provides a nice frame trap, as well as lets you begin pressure/mix-up. On hit, this allows for a nice combo to follow up into (provided they get launched on wake-up due to backdashing):
              
              • 2A > 2C > 5D(1) > 214D > 5C > HJC > j.C > j.D > j.214C > 5D(2) > 623C > 236C > 236C > cross-under 3C > 22C ~ 3.5k
                

              This OS can get beaten by reversals with frame 1 invincibility or guard point, but will work should they decide to backdash or just not block on wake-up. This will even blow up Tager's backdash, and is a nice OS in the Tager match-up.

              See the original post here.

              HAR HAR UR THROW [VR-Raiden]: A throw bait gimmick that is low-to-high risk, but can discourage throw attempts when successful. Essentially, you should make it appear like you are going for a throw (for example, through 2A > 5A > Throw tick throwing method), and instead of going for the throw, perform one of these:

              [*]TK Belial Edge (2147C): This will catch throw attempts by making you airborne, and is safe on block should they not try to throw (+1, similar to your 2C). Should you hit, you can connect on counter-hit for a nice, non-Belial Edge corner combo.

              [*]TK Gauntlet Hades (2147B): Like, the above option, this will cause you to go airborne, acts as a fast overhead, and can lead to nice meterless damage by connecting with the 2A link on hit. However, on block, you're at -9, and can be punished. Slightly riskier than the above option, but can lead to more reward.

              [*]6D: The highest risk out of these options, and also the most rewarding, 6D does not immediately cause you to become airborne. It instead becomes airborne on frame 20, so you can still be grabbed out if they are fast about their throw attempt. However, on block, this move is amazing for beginning pressure, and can lead to one of Ragna's best high low mix-ups, as well as be made safe by late cancelling into j.D. On hit or counter hit, this move is an amazing combo starter, with high proration values (meaning it prorates amazingly, P1 100, P2 94).

              See the original post here.

              Control Your Air Space! [MashThat5A]: After performing a combo in the corner ending in Inferno Divider, rather than cross-under, remain in your place and perform 5D(2). Dash cancel and chase your opponent, and you will now have several options depending on how they tech in the air:

              [*]If they aerial back tech: You can cross under and perform 6A when they tech. This will force barrier block, and will beat all air moves (except obvious things like Inferno Divider). This can be beaten by air dashing or double jumping.

              [*]If they aerial forward tech: Go for a meaty 5B on your side (you will be out of range most likely for a 6A). This will force barrier block and stuff air moves without invincibility. Can also be beaten by double jumping and air dashing.

              [*]If they aerial neutral tech: You can't cross under, but you can perform a meaty 6A, and catch them doing anything but barrier block (even air dashing and double jumping won't save them). If this is blocked, you have the option of going for an Instant Airdash Cross Up Inferno Divider.

              This can be a nice reset to go for after a damaging combo, that may even end the match if done correctly, or be used to bait a burst should they get hit by your meaty Air Unblockable normals. Again, can't be overused, as forward/back tech in combination with air dashing/double jumping beats it.

              See the original post here.

              Hell's Fang Blocked, What Do? [TrollBadGuy, KayEff]: Often discouraged to be used in pressure to beginners, Hell's Fang can actually serve as a gateway to mindgames and potential pressure and mix-up. On normal block, you are at a frame disadvantage of -4, safe enough to block the fastest attack in the game (a jab of 5 frames). However, you are not guarenteed safety to continue pressure in most cases, but there are options you can go into if you find your Hell's Fang was blocked.

              [*]Inferno Divider: Many people may try to punish your Hell's Fang, or attempt to steal momentum from you, knowing you have no guarenteed way to continue any form of pressure after being blocked. A common thing to do after a blocked Hell's Fang is to immediately input Inferno Divider, stuffing any attempts to steal the offensive momentum from you. This option is often times baited though, with people simply choosing to block after you perform Hell's Fang in a blockstring. Should they decide to do this, your other options become open.

              [*]Continuing Pressure/Mix-up: If you have conditioned your opponent into expecting Inferno Divider after a blocked Hell's Fang, you will find they will simply block for a short amount of time after you recover. You can use this to your advantage to continue pressure with your jabs, or go for a tick throw setup. Keep in mind that this can be easily disrespected by reversals.

              [*]Throw/Barrier Option Select: The safest thing to do after a blocked Hell's Fang, is to simply perform the universal Throw/Barrier option select. This is easily accomplished by 1A+B+C, and holding the input. Doing so, for a short amount of time after, you will automatically tech throw attempts. If they decide to simply attack, you will barrier guard whatever they throw at you. This option, while safest, throws away any offensive momentum you had.

              Keep in mind Hell's Fang is easy to instant block, and on instant block, leaves you at -7, which is easily punishable. Hell's Fang is still not a smart or reliable pressure tool (hence why we discourage using it to many beginners), but can be a good gimmick to throw at your opponent every once in a while.

              See the original post here.

              The Fastest Drop [VR-Raiden]: After a combo ending with Axe Kick, rapid and perform a Belial Edge. This should drop down and still hit the opponent, forcing them to either emergency tech (off which you'll be positive and have oki) or get launched again. This is more useful in the corner, where it is easier to follow up a BE launch. Be careful when using this trick, however, as the 10% repeat proration on Belial Edge will still kick in, so if you already used BE once in a combo, they'll be able to air tech pretty fast after. Even if you didn't use BE in the combo, Axe Kick as a pretty bad P2 of 50, so there won't be much you can do aside from 5D(2) > 22C (which is still nice). If they do tech, you can attempt an air unblockable reset or air throw to trap them into another combo.

              Another version of this is meterless, but absolutely requires corner. After a straight punch, perform a cross-under 3C > j.214C (TK Belial Edge). This will give you the same situation as above, with either the opponent emergency teching or getting relaunched. The same conditions with proration still stand. You can also get this situation in the corner by performing sj.C > j.D > j.214C immediately after landing a Belial Edge as part of the combo. This will give you some nice heat, but won't force emergency tech, instead, just launching them again for a potential blue beat 5D(2) > 22C or air gimmick reset of some kind.

              Remember, with this trick, you are no real disadvantage if they do catch on and emergency tech (aside from heat loss if you use the first method).

              See the original post here.

              I got tricks! [VR-Raiden]: Simple cross-under 2A shenanigans have been with Ragna since CT days, but are still useful for confusing and playing with an opponent's reactions. Some simple set ups (that are universal except for Tager, who's tiny hitbox won't allow for these to work), are as follows.

              -3C > 214A > (opponent neutral techs) > cross under 2A

              -623C[D] > 236C > 236C in the corner > (opponent neutral techs upon hitting the ground)* > cross under 2A

              -Close hit 2D > (opponent neutral techs)** > cross under 2A

              *Requires that they opponent can only tech once they hit the ground, won't work with heavily prorated combos

              **2D is not a very safe move to go for at close range unless of high level moves, use this one with caution

              See the original post here.

              All American Ragna Reset [LuminAbyss]: After performing a corner combo ending the Inferno Divider Straight Punch, rather than cross-under and complete the combo with 3C > 22, simply run under and do not do anything. The opponent will emergency tech upon landing, giving you oki that keeps them in the corner, and allows you to go for mix-up. As they're teching, you can run back in and perform either a meaty 2B for a low, a meaty 6B for an overhead, or a throw, all of which will reset them into a combo if they do not guess/react properly. If they are able to block/tech whatever you throw at them, you will still keep them in the corner and be able to resume pressure. Like many other oki options, this is easily beaten by DPs unless they are baited accordingly.

              To mess with your opponent even more, you can choose to run back in and do an empty jump in instead of performing a move right away, or go for an air attack.

              MORE CROSS UPS? THANKS ARCSYS [VR-Raiden]: Thanks to Ragna's j.C hitbox buff, it's now possible to cross-up certain characters with it, as well as perform useful fuzzy guards.

              [*]After a normal jump forward point blank, you can hit a cross-up j.C everyone but the following: Jin, Lambda, Litchi, Tao, Noel, Mu. You can follow up with a 5A to continue a combo (5B on Tager) afterwards as well.

              [*]After a jump over, AD back j.B > j.C, you can hit Arakune, Bang, Hakumen, Tager, Litchi, Tao, and Relius if they switch to crouching block. Works best on Arakune, Hakumen and Tager since they will get hit even if they continue to stand block.

              [*]22C > dash j.A Fuzzy Guard works on the following

              -Ragna
              -Hazama
              -Tager
              -Relius
              Note: Works well with the mix-up of
              22C > dash 3C > 22C
              since the fuzzy requires them to immediately attempt crouching block after the initial 22C.

              [*]Normal jump high j.C (blocked) > j.D (blocked) > RC > airdash j.C > j.D works on everyone due to the j.C hitbox buff.

              [*]Low as possible blocked j.B/j.C > land j.A Fuzzy Guard works on the following

              -Ragna
              -Hakumen
              -Tsubaki
              -Hazama
              -Lambda
              -Tager
              -Relius
              -Valkenhayn

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              If I did not properly explain one of your tricks, please let me know in a post below on how I should fix it, and I will be sure to get to it.

              More to come!

Notation

CH = Counter Hit

FC = Fatal Counter

JC = Jump Cancel

JCC = Jump Cancel Cancel

HJC = High Jump Cancel

DC = Dash Cancel

RC = Rapid Cancel

CU = Cross Under (dash underneath an airborne opponent, also denoted as "dash under")

Green = Easy Difficulty combos

Black = Normal Difficulty combos

Red = Hard Difficulty combos

Purple = Very Hard Difficulty combos

Orange = Ragna Must Die Difficulty combos

-> = Previous special cancels into next special.

(attack or dash) = The attack or dash is optional.

(nth hit) = Only let the nth hit of the attack connect.

e.g: 5D(1) means, only the first hit, off a total of 2. 6C(2) means, only the second hit not both. Plain 5D/6C implies total hits, in this case 2.

[???] xN = Repeat ??? N amount of times.

About CSEX combos

Only *new* combos will be put since they didnt change that much. The old combo thread can be used as a reference for his most standard BnBs.

General changes

- More damaging combos, thanks to 5B/5C damage buff.

- Tsuika(Hell's Fang follow up)'s decreased recovery makes 5A, 5B, Inferno Divider and 22C afterwards possible under certain conditions.

- j.D buff allows Berial Edge even off the most prorated combos.

- 6B knockdown allows more stable and damaging combos and earlier 22C mid-combo

- Special cancelable throws.

What is gone

- Midscreen/Non-corner Deadspike combos to some extent.

- Meterless 22C dash 5A links. Still works on some characters on Fatal Counter state.

- 50 heat BK combos that include Devoured by Darkness ender. Requires more heat now.

- Backthrow dash 5D.

- Mid combo 6D, to some extent.

Filter these in the CSII Combo thread and ta da! You learn 95% of CSEX Ragna combos!

CSEX combos are just upgraded CSII combos, but who knows, maybe something completely new may popup.

Notes:

After 3C or 5D, you can pick the finisher of your choice. Note that some combos will require a specific finisher, be it for Proration/Range issues. Combos denoted with either "5D~ or 3C~" will allow any finisher.

22C: Always damages for 400 and gives +4 Frame Adv. Only possible in combos where the opponent has been knocked down, by either 3C, Air Catch 6B, BK 5D, BK Heel Drop and 2D. Can be Rapid cancelled for extra 3C 22C (Total Damage = 800, requires 50 Heat) or Carnage Scissors (Total damage = 1390, requires 100 Heat) as finishers.

Hell's Fang -> Tsuika: Provides awesome Oki and very good heat gain

Inferno Divider -> Heel Drop(not recommended):Decent oki, meh damage, life drain, meh heat. Only used on combos where neither of the aforementioned are possible.

Carnage Scissors: Good finisher if you're sure that it can finish the match. Can be Rapid Cancelled for extra 3C 22C ender.

Damage: Heat Gain:

Midscreen Combos

5B 5C 214A 214D

Damage:1919 Heat Gain:16

5B 6A (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:2564 Heat Gain:23

5B+C 214B 214D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:2174 Heat Gain:17

5B+C 214B delay 214D High Jump j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:2507 Heat Gain:27

5B+C delay 214B dash 5A 5B/5C 5D (DC) 6A (JC) j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:2835/2904 Heat Gain:34

j.B+C dash 5B 5D (DC) 6A (HJC) j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:2931 Heat Gain:29

6B 5C 6C (DC) 6B 5C 5D (DC) 6A (HJC) j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3341 Heat Gain:38

6B 5C 6C (DC) 6B 2C delay 5C 5D (DC) 6A (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3518 Heat Gain:43

Notes: 2C delay 5C doesn't work on Carl

6B 2C 5C 6C (DC) dash 5D(1) 214D dash 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3615 Heat Gain:39

Requires 50 Heat

5B 5C 214A (RC) 6C (DC) 6B 2C delay 5C 5D (DC) 6A (JC) j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3378 Heat Gain:27

5B 5C 214A (RC) 6C (DC) 6B 5C 5D (DC) (5C) 6A (HJC) j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3293/3404 Heat Gain:29

Notes: 5C 6A may whiff on some characters.

5B 5C 214A (RC) dash 6D delay j.D dash 5D(1) 214D dash 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C j.D 623D~Heel drop.

Damage:3596 Heat Gain:27

5B 5C 2D (RC) dash 6B 5C 5D (DC) 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3925 Heat Gain:18

5B 5C 2D (RC) 6C (DC) 6B 5C 5D (DC) 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:4118 Heat Gain:29

214B (RC) Airdash j.C j.D 5D (DC) 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3419 Heat Gain:13

214B (RC) 2C 5C 5D (DC) 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623~Heel Drop

Damage:3666 Heat Gain:12

214B (RC) delay Airdash j.C j.D dash 5D(1) 214D dash 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3788 Heat Gain:17

623C (RC) 6B 5C 5D (DC) 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:2747 Heat Gain:11

Corner combos

5B 3C 623D~Wallbound (CU) 2C 5D(1) 214D 5C 6A (HJC) j.D (JC) j.D j.214C dash 5D~

Damage:3373 Heat Gain:43

6B 5C 6C (DC) 6D (JC) j.C j.214C 6B 5C 214D 2C 5D 623D(1)~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:4026 Heat Gain:51

5B+C 214D 6D (JC) j.D j.214C 6B 2C 5D 623C~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:3542 Heat Gain:40

Requires 50 Heat

5B 5C 214A 214D (RC) dash 6B 5C 5D(1) 214D 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C j.D j.214C 5D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:4001 Heat Gain:43

5B 3C 22C (RC) 6C (DC) 6B 5C 5D(1) 214D 5C (HJC) j.C j.D j.214C 5D 623C~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:4886 Heat Gain:37

2D (RC) 5C 5D(1) 214D 5C (HJC) j.C j.D j.214C 6D j.D 5D 623D(1)~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:4806 Heat Gain:27

5B 5C 2D (RC) dash 5C 5D(1) 214D 5C (HJC) j.C j.D j.214C dash 6B 2C 5D 623D(1)~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:4673 Heat Gain:40

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-> Specific stuff

Contrary to popular belief Ragna has specific combos, that while not that much better than the basic stuff, will give an extra edge to damage and heatgain.

Every combo listed above is universal and works on everyone.

22C dash 5A

Unfortunely, 22C got nerfed and 5A followup can no longer be done outside Fatal combos. Thankfully, still works on:

Ragna, Taokaka, Rachel, Tager, Bang, Haku-Men, Λ-11-, Hazama, μ-12- and Makoto. Against Tager, you do not need to dash after the 22C.

Difficulty level varies.

xxx 6A TK GH 5B

Specific that has the only purpose to milk that extra damage on midscreen combos. Better than ABC SRK imo. Characters hit by this are likely to be too by 6A 214B with proper correction.

Best way to input TK GH is inputting a High Jump Cancel right after 6A, and then after a brief delay, 214B. If done correctly, an after-image will follow Ragna during GH.

Ragna, Jin, Noel, Rachel¹, Taokaka, Carl, Bang, Hazama², Tsubaki³, Makoto², Platinum

¹- Must hit with the latest part of GH then landing 5A 5B

²- Only High-jumped GH will work.

³- Same as Rachel

xxx 6A 214B 5A 5B/5C

Same thing. Some characters are very picky about this and will require proper correction, like delaying the Gauntlet Hades. Used only when TK GH doesnt work. Both may work on some characters, but TK GH is encouraged.

Only characters than can't be hit by TK GH are listed.

Litchi, Arakune, Lambda, Mu-12, Hakumen¹, Valkenhayn, Relius

¹- Must delay 214B

Midscreen

5B 6A 214B 5A 5B/5C 5D (DC) 6A (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.D 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:2860/2946 Heat Gain:36

5B 6A TK GH 5B 5D (DC) dash 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C 623D~Heel Drop

Damage:3159 Heat Gain:35

Near Corner

5B 6A TK GH 5B 5D (DC) 5C (HJC) j.C j.214C 5D(1) 623D~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:3169 Heat Gain:35

5B 6A TK GH 5B 5D(1) 623D~Wallbound dash 6B 214D 5C 6A (HJC) j.D (JC) j.D j.214C dash 5D~

Damage:3302 Heat Gain:46

Notes:

-If you decide to use Hell's Fang->Tsuika finisher, you can add 623D~Heel Drop as an extra finisher, as long as Tsuika is delayed properly. The combo will then be:

Damage:3477 Heat Gain:65

-Against Hazama, only dash in 5D and Tsuika->22C works instead of ID.

Damage:3799 Heat Gain:58

-Doesn't work on Makoto

5B 6A 214B 5A 5B/5C 5D (1) delay 623D~Wallbound dash 6B 214D 5C 6A (HJC) j.D (JC) j.D j.214C 5D~

Damage:3191 Heat Gain:48

Notes:

-If you decide to use Hell's Fang->Tsuika finisher, you can add 623D~Heel Drop as an extra finisher, as long as Tsuika is delayed properly. The combo will then be:

Damage:3335 Heat Gain:67

-Against Relius and Valkenhayn dash in 5D

-Doesn't work on Arakune

Corner

5B 6A 214B 5A 5C (HJC) j.C j.214C 6B 214D dash 2C 5D 623D(1)~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:3360 Heat Gain:43

5B 6A 214B 5A 5B 5D(1) 214D 5C (HJC) j.C j.D j.214C 5D 623D(1)~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:3410 Heat Gain:45

5B 6A TK GH 5B 5D(1) 214D 5C (HJC) j.C j.D j.214C 6B 5D 623D(1)~Wallbound (CU) 3C~

Damage:3791 Heat Gain:46

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BK Combos!

-Obviously, every BK combo requires at least 50 Heat for activation.

-Any combo that earns 50 heat allows DbD finisher.

-"Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher" denotes what it says. Remember that there won't be any heat left after DbD in this case.

Note: Heat required at the beginning of the combo.

-Includes necessary heat for BK. This means, a combo that requires at least 50 Heat will give you back all the spent heat for BK Activation and allow the DbD finisher.

-"Heat Gain" states post-BK Heat Gain.

-"~" means, finish with either 22C (not enough Heat for DbD or for saving it) or Devoured By Darkness (Always deals 1500 Damage)

Midscreen Combos

6B 5C 6C (DC) 6B BK 5C 5D(1) 214A 214D 5D(1) 214B 214D dash 6D j.623D~Heel Drop j.214B 214D dash 5D 214D dash 5D~

Damage:4320 Heat Gain:32 Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher:66

Notes: 100% corner carry

Overhead j.C dash 5B 5C 6C (DC) 6B BK 5C 5D(1) 214B 214D 6B 5D(1) 214A 214D 5D 623D~Heel Drop j.214B 214D 5D 214D dash 5D~

Damage:4995 Heat Gain:34 Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher:50

Notes: 100% corner carry

Crouching Hit 5B 5C 6C (DC) 6B 5C 5D(1) BK dash 5B 5D(1) 214B 214D 6B 5D(1) 214A 214D 5D(1) 623D(1)~Heel Drop j.214B 214D 5D 214D dash 5D~

Damage:4844 Heat Gain:31 Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher:50

Notes: 100% corner carry

Requires 100 Heat

6B 5C 6C (DC) 6B BK 22C (RC) dash 6D (JC) j.214B 214D 5D(1) 214A 214D 5D(1) 623D(1)~Heel Drop Air Dash j.D j.214C dash 5D 214D dash 5D~

Damage:5054 Heat Gain:52 Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher:100

Corner/Near Corner combos

Requires 100 Heat

Crouching Hit 5B 5C 6C (DC) 6B BK dash 5C 22C (RC) 6D ,j.D whiff, 5D(1) 214B 214D dash 5D(1) 214D 5D(1) 623D~Heel Drop falling j.D (JC) j.D j.214C 5D (DC) 5D~

Damage:6048 Heat Gain:53 Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher:98

Corner combos

Airhit 5B 5C (HJC) j.C j.D (JC) j.C j.214C 5D(1) 214D 5C 5D(1) BK 5B 5D(1) 623D~Heel Drop j.214B 214D 5D 214D [214A 214D]x2 3C 214A 214D~

Damage:5047 Heat Gain:31 Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher:39

Requires at least 72 Heat before BK Activation

6B 5C 6C 214214D dash 5D(1) 214D 5C 5D(1) 214B 214D 6D (JC) j.214C 5D (DC) 6D j.623D~Heel Drop j.214B 214D 5D 214214D

Damage:6627 Heat Gain:11 (earned by 6B 5C 6C)

BK 623C(1)~Heel Drop j.214B 214D 6D ,j.D whiff, 5D(1) 214D 6D ,j.D whiff, 5D (DC) 6D (JC) j.214C 5D (DC) 5D~

Damage:4115 Heat Gain:26 Minimum Heat required for DbD Finisher:74

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alright, we're gonna go in with a fresh start. no more of that "bloodedge alliance" crap.

so this topic is for discussing anything ragna related. even gameplay.

just try to keep off-topic discussion to a minimum. i don't mind the occasional talk about how lumin x carnagescissors should be made into a movie, but i really don't want this topic to turn into another netplay general, or even PSN general. doing so could bring some unwanted attention and cause a lot more mayhem than what this archaic forum already needs (and it doesn't need any).

have fun.

things i would approve of:

• ragna player discussion (from videos, casuals, etc.)
  
• general questions, i.e. fighting game term definitions
  
• questions about a move's certain attributes
  
• how to perform BnBs
  
• how to become better as a ragna player
  
• matchup discussion (although it's better suited for the actual matchup threads)
  
  
  things i wouldn't approve of in this thread:
  
  • overuse of off-topic discussion
    
  • tier list discussion
    
  • combo theory (combo thread)
    
  • what color palettes you wear/like
    
    
    
    Ragna the Bloodedge Continuum Shift II -> Continuum Shift Extend Changes
    
    
    
    • [+] Indicates a buff
      
    • [-] Indicates a nerf
      
    • [x] Means we're not sure which they fall under
      
      
      FINAL EXTEND CHANGES*
      
      
      
      • [+] j.C has a better hitbox on its lower side.
        
        
      • [+] 6B air hit now gives knockdown, can be picked up by normals and specials.
        
        
      • [+] Carnage Scissors now projectile invulnerable.
        
        
      • [+] 6D floats on hit.
        
      • [+] Forward/Back Throw are both special cancelable. Back Throw throws farther midscreen, but can still be followed up by specials, and wall bounds in the corner.
        
      • [+] j.D has more untechable time and floats on air Counter Hit.
        
      • [-] 22C now only gives 3-4 frame advantage. Can be followed up on Fatal Counter with 5A.
        
        
      • [-] Keri Age (214B -> 214D) now has a tighter window to be executed.
        
        
      • [-] Blood Kain combos are just about the same. Cooldown after activation extended.
        
      • [-] Dead Spike has further horizontal knockback on air hit.
        
      • [-] Tsuika (214A -> 214D) does not break primers anymore.
        
      • [-] Keri Age (214B -> 214D) does not break primers anymore.
        

      *As more changes are confirmed, they will be added to the list.

      BlazBlue Continuum Shift Extend: Location Test #1 - [8/11/2011 - 8/16/2011]

      [*][+] Carnage Scissors is now projectile invincible.

      [*][+] j.C has a better vertical hitbox (improved on the lower side, now better for covering jump ins).

      [*][+] 6D now floats on hit. [For example: 6D (opponent bounces up) > j.D whiff > 5B > 5D(1) > DS now possible]

      [*][+] 6C untech time increased.

      [*][-] Blood Kain's cooldown has been extended (Heat gains at a reduced rate during BK).

      [*][+] 6B now causes down on air hit (can be followed up after, probably with 2B, 5C or 22C). Cannot be emergency teched on air hit.

      [*][-] Hell's Fang heat gain has been decreased.

      BlazBlue Continuum Shift Extend: Location Test #2 - [8/25/2011 - 9/1/2011]

      [*][+] 6B knockback decreased.

      [*][+] Tsuika's hitstun slightly reduced, but noted to be easier to enforce oki after now.

      [*][+] Forward/Back Throw can both be special canceled.

      [*][+] 5B and 5C do more damage.

      BlazBlue Continuum Shift Extend: Location Test #3 - [9/17/2011]

      [*][+] Back throw damage increased to 1400. Now wall bounds in corner.