What is she saying? And why is there no censor in the US version?

I want some back story!

Since you guys are veterans, I'm requesting a general description for each GG character's gameplay that can be understood by any beginner. Around 5-7 sentences would suffice.

Here's a sample (just an invention):

Character X's gameplay consist mainly of strong but slow attacks. His moves are mostly grappling moves that can counter an opponents normal attack. His advantage is his high defense and the invulnerability of some of his specials. His disadvantages however are his low speed and his lack of variety. Beginners will find him easy to use since his inputs are easy to execute, however at high level play, his moves are somewhat limited and predictable.

All characters need one.

You can also check this command list page we're working on: http://guilty-gear.wikia.com/wiki/Command_List

Generally, top players use an S++ - F ranking system to determine who are the strongest characters. The reasons for higher rankings than other characters tends to be one or more of the following:

- The ability for a character to deal damage from random hits effectively.

- The average combo damage of a character.

- A characters' ability to control space.

- "Risk vs. Reward" being in rewards' favor heavily for mix-ups, or damage dealing.

- A glitch, or property that gives them an advantage over other characters.

- Having a Potemkin Buster.

As a general disclaimer, tiers are not the end all of skill. The person playing the character and their ability with that character generally plays a greater role than tiers alone.

Combining numerous lists with each other, and averaging top player opinions into a group, here are the most recent tiers. Previous lists will be slightly greyed out so they can still be read, but not prominent.

Arcadia Pre-SBO Issue (April) 05/06/10

S: ED, TE

A: MI

B: MA, PO, JA, SL

C: SO, KY, CH, FA, BA, AX, AN, VE, DI, IN, ZA, RO, AB, OS

D: JO, BR

Ogawa's Opinion; 11/01/08

S: Eddie

A+: Testament, Jam, Slayer

A: Millia, May, Baiken

A-: Potemkin, Aba, Chipp, Sol, Venom, Robo-Ky, Order Sol

B+: Axl, Anji, Dizzy, Faust, Ky, I-No, Zappa, Bridget

B-: Johnny

As originally printed in the May 2008 issue of Tougeki Damashi magazine:

S:Eddie, Testament

A: Potemkin, Baiken, Jam, Slayer

B: May, Axl, Venom

C: Sol, Ky, Millia, Faust, Anji, Dizzy, Zappa, Robo-Ky, ABA, Order-Sol

D: Chipp, Johnny, I-No, Buri

**Note: Horizontal ordering does not indicate higher or lower rankings within each tier.

6/01/07~7/22/07

S: Testament, Eddie, Slayer

A: Baiken, Potemkin, Jam, May, Millia

B: Axl, A.B.A, Zappa, Robo-Ky, Order-Sol, Faust, Venom

C: Sol, Ky, Dizzy, Chipp, I-no

D: Anji, Bridget, Johnny

- CURRENT TIERS AS OF 6/25/07 as listed by top Japanese players.

[credit to Zakuta Asura]

Woshige's list:

S. Testament, Eddie, Baiken, Potemkin

A. Slayer, Jam, May

B. Millia, Axl, Zappa, Robo-Ky

C. Sol, Ky, Chipp, Order Sol, ABA, Faust, Venom, Dizzy, I-No

D. Bridget, Johnny, Anji

N-Otoko's list:

S: Eddie > Testament >>> Baiken >> Slayer >>> Millia > Potemkin

A: Jam >> Axl > ABA > Faust

B: May, Robo-Ky, Zappa > Venom, Order Sol, Dizzy

C: Sol, Ky, I-No, Chipp

D: Bridget > Johnny >> Anji

Koichi's list:

Strong Characters: Eddie, Testament

Stupid Characters: Potemkin, May, Slayer, ABA, Jam

Good Characters: Baiken, Ky, Sol, Millia, Axl, Venom, Order Sol, Zappa

Lesser Characters: Faust, Chipp, Dizzy, Robo-Ky, Anji

CRAP CHARACTERS: I-No, Johnny, Bridget

The Short Story

The guide suggests that as long as there is a jump that has not exhausted air options within a combo, you will retain those options. It suggests that the deciding factor in whether or not you keep your jump options from the ground is the combo itself, which is false.

From jump jump-installs exist because a jumping state is held until landing recovery ends. As long as you either start a combo or even do any move that takes you into the air from landing recovery (of a jump that has not exhausted its air options), you will keep air options, plain and simple.

The Long Story

I play I-no, poorly.

I was wondering why my HCL 6frc6 from dash -> ground combos were so inconsistent. Even when my execution felt dead on, there were times the dash would not come out. Any I-no player can identify with this. To test whether it was all in my head and my execution really was at fault or if there was some game engine quirk somewhere in the process that wasn't allowing me to dash, I fired up pcsx2 and turned the speed way down.

I discovered that the problem was indeed my execution, but not where I thought it counted.

To test this out, I'd do a quick 66 j.S 2k 2s HCL, then quickly save a state before the HCL came out. The very first run at about 3 frames per second, I could not get a dash to come out after a successful FRC. I thought it might be slo-mo weirdness, and even though the input record showed I was doing a-o-k, I decided to start a new save state. The next time around I got as many air dashes after the FRC as my heart desired with little to no effort. This happened over the next 4 or 5 tries. I wasn't satisfied that this was a fluke however, so I started doing the same thing and making more savestates. After a few more tries I got another chain where I absolutely could not get an air dash under a separate save slot, and I compared it with one where I could do it. This time it was certain that it wasn't the 6frc6 execution that was causing the problem.

I went back to the ggac frame data/guide section and read the jump install section carefully over, and confirmed that I had read right the first time: Air to ground combo = auto ji.

To test this further I went to Ky. I did a few simple j.H 5H 214K strings and after the RC I could double jump just fine. Although the 214K itself will not combo I chalked it up to the fact that it was starting from a jump-installed chain. This turned out to be right, but for the wrong reasons. The fact that it started from an air move that combo'd to a ground chain had absolutely nothing to do with the JI. This is where I got my first good idea. I tried a very low j.H into a late 5p that would still combo, though with plenty of time to recover from the landing, cancelled into 214K. After the RC I had no air options.

I went back to I-no and tested a few things out. I found out that if you just do a naked jump, even from the other side of the screen and HCL as soon as you hit the ground, after the FRC you have jump options, whether the HCL connects or whiffs. I started experimenting with her air normals closer to the ground to see what kind of ground recovery they had, and found what is probably common knowledge to i-no players: Her air moves have little to no landing recovery. I started experimenting with her hover dash a bit, being (off the top of my head) the only landing in the game that carries momentum on the ground. My initial thinking was that as long as she had momentum, she had JI. This also turned out to be wrong, and in fact somewhat the opposite. I found that you can successfully tell if an air to ground chain WILL have jump install if the ground chain DOES NOT carry the ground momentum it should, which is how jump install usually works anyway. <-- this turned out to be false, I've successfully double jumped HCLs with momentum in a ground chain.

The problem I, and probably many new I-no players have as well is that sometimes there will be too much time between a low enough air move and the ground chain that follows, allowing her to fully recover from landing on the ground while still allowing the combo to register.

Therefore, my problem was execution during the crucial frames between an air normal and the following 2k, putting too much space between them allowed her to recover and lose the JI, but keep the momentum.

Notes

This also means that the air move does NOT have to combo into the ground chain to keep the jump install, nor do you have to do an air normal at all.

Example: Johnny j.P 6HS KJ FRC

This obviously doesn't combo, and again the j.p and even the 6H are completely optional. You can even empty jump, and as long as you execute any move from landing recovery, even the special you want to JI with by itself, you will keep JI.

You CANNOT superjump from landing recovery and have special air options, but you CAN super jump from a jump cancellable normal started from landing recovery and have special air options without the need for a traditional gatling jump install on an earlier normal.

The landing carries over the air options from the jump before it. Example: You CAN land a normal jump, do any jump-cancellable move from landing recovery, super jump, and double jump that. However, you CANNOT do a jump cancellable normal from superjump landing, and double jump from another super jump.

The combo itself does not have to be a chain to carry the jump install. Example: Slayer can either empty jump or j.H, 6H and link 5P, sjc and keep the double jump option.

This is not to say every hit must combo to keep the JI, for example as long as slayer executes 236236H from the first frame after 5p, which will NOT combo, it will keep JI.

Wow, I keep discovering new things

...or possibly old things.

That last Slayer note got me thinking, and more slowmo testing it seems that moves do not even have to connect to anything to carry JI, as long as you never return to a neutral state.

This means you can completely whiff a move on landing recovery, or any series of moves at all, and as long as they are all done without a single frame between the recovery of one move and the startup of the next, you can end with a special that keeps JI without ever connecting to anything but move that carried you into the air, or not! (in some cases)

Example: i-no hover dash, 5p 5s 5s 5s 5h 2h 2d ADS 5d 2k 6h 2k 2k VCL FRC 8, and provided there were absolutely no frames between the startup and recovery of each of those moves you will get the double jump, even if every single one of those moves whiffed entirely.

This also works with moves that have auto JI, for example: Sol BR immediately into BB will keep the JI from BR, provided the BB is launched the exact moment recovery ends for BR whether it whiffed or not.

After some more slow-mo wizardry I have some solid numbers:

I-no's landing from both dash and jump give you 3 frames to keep JI, the first of which will make you lose momentum while the second 2 will carry both momentum and JI. After the 3rd landing frame you may have momentum but will lose JI. This isn't the same for all characters however, as Ky apparently has 5 frames of landing that he can keep JI. I'll create a full chart soon.

AB - 3

AN - 3

AX - 4

BA - 3

BR - 3

CH - 3

DI - 4

ED - 3

FA - 3

I- - 3

JA - 3

JO - 3

KY - 5

MA - 4

MI - 3

OS - 5

RO - 5

PO - 4

SL - 4

SO - 3

TE - 4

VE - 3

ZA - 3

Note that if you try to get a move to come out on the exact frame it shows the character touching the ground, you will be 1 frame early.

2.) If I would buy one which brand do you recommend? i want one that is the closest to the arcade with great durability.

3.) Is there a guide for making a custom arcade stick?

Will try to find the spot again (20 min video), it looks like a Sol intercepts a Dizzy fish in the air with VV, see the green flash of FDC then lands into an attack.

There are a few clips from an older GG game (GGXX I think) where characters run lock-down in the corner and you see repeated green flashes.

I know Faust and I-No have movement uses and Chipp can perform an airdash -> 2j.K -> FDC -> j.HS crossup, but it looks like there is more potential in this technique.

If any move can be FDC'd, then you should be able to run in and do 5K -> 5S -> 5HS -> 5D(FDC) -> 66 .. etc

Has anyone experimented with this / done frame advantage or infinite tests?

Revived from the ashes of the old GGXX players' guide, here's a revamped Accent Core Guide for all of you new and learning players out there. New players should definitely read over the whole thing, it will answer a lot of your questions about the game.

Do note that it's not entirely finished at this point. The 301 section is pretty lacking at this point. Please feel free to point out errors and typos, and make suggestions.

Also if anyone has any of the Chart data for Robo Ky, ABA, and HOS, I could use those numbers to fill in the 201 section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vugCGZina58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMv4lbtQ_s

assuming you were previously unfamiliar with cvs2, you probably learned a hell of a lot more from the second video than you did the first. even if you already were familiar with the game on a basic level, you probably took more away from the second video because it actually explained what was happening.

it wasn't pretty; there wasn't any editing, pictures of idols or trashy acid trance. but, it did exactly what it needed to do: convey information to the viewer in a format that's easy to understand.

so why do i bring this up? well, i've heard a lot of talk over the years about making tutorials for guilty gear, and much of it was just that. there have been some commendable efforts such as the mizuumi wiki, but ultimately those projects die faster than you can say "disinterest". there's some good threads here and there, but many of them contain outdated information and are hard to navigate. and while there are some video tutorials floating around, i'd hardly call them all-encompassing.

i think there's a disconnect between knowledgeable players and those who want to learn from them. the former are afraid nobody will understand what they're saying, or that nobody will pay attention to it if it isn't presented well enough. while the latter, for the most part, simply don't give a shit.

and this is where this idea of a ghetto tutorial comes in: just you, the game, and a camera.

why not? there's no text to format, no intensive editing involved (hence the "ghetto"), and you don't have to worry about some asshole editing your contributions to the wiki. the best part? you could make a video for your character in less than a day. no need to worry about wavering motivation if you can do it in one sitting.

naturally, some questions are going to be posed. such as, "who should these videos be targeted to?". the answer to that being intermediate level players; in part because there's not enough time to cover the basic mechanics in addition to character specifics, as well as the fact that most people that are going to become interested in gg in the near future will probably already be at least somewhat familiar with 2D fighters.

and then, of course, "who's gonna make these videos anyways?". well, obviously, anyone capable of doing it. subforum mods seem to be the most likely candidates, but i guess any respected player could do it if they wanted.

if there's ever been a time to do this, it's now. contrary to what some believe, gg does still have some life left in it (thanks nulldc!), and there are people interested in learning the game. like i said before, many of them have already played sf4/blazblue/whatever and have already read up on the mechanics, but are lost on what exactly it is they're supposed to do. if this isn't the best way to teach people who are genuinely interested in learning the game, i don't know what is.

I was just curious about why in GG, Potemkin is a high/top tier character, while in BB Tager is consistently bottom tier. What tools does Potemkin have that Tager doesn't that make him so much more viable in his respective game. Or does it simply have to do with the gameplay mechanics being more suited to grappler style gameplay?

I love me some grapplers, but I can't bring myself to play Tager against anyone other than low-mid calibre players because once everyone knows the matchup really well it's just WAY too much of an uphill battle.

I'm interested in playing this game and I was wondering if it was balanced enough that you could hold 1V1 matches.

Now then, the tournament scenes been down in Guilty Gear from what I've seen. They play them at some big tournaments at times, but it's still not as popular as it use to be. Does anyone run any tournaments around their countries? Any ideas on how to revive this wonderful series? I wanted to try to go to a tournament in Michigan and play Guilty Gear there, hopefully run it back up (I couldn't make it due to technical difficulties). Is anyone else trying to run it back up?

- READ THIS THREAD BEFORE YOU POST IT PROBABLY ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION:

http://dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372

- If you have a question about some really simple stuff that is incredibly basic to the gameplay of the game (like Faultless defense or Bursting or something like that), go to gamefaqs and read the FAQ. Pretend it's the manual for the game:

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/guilty_gear_xx_slash.txt

- Make sure your post is GAMEPLAY RELATED. If your question is specific to a matchup or character, you should consider posting it in that character's forum.

- If I delete your post, that doesn't mean I hate you or I'm being a jerk, it probably means you either broke one of these rules or otherwise was not really useful to the discussion. If you don't know why your post was deleted, you can PM me and I will tell you why.

This thread is for any questions you may have relating directly to gameplay.

Any other stupid questions not related such as:

Where can i buy gg?

Is there a gg anime?

Are Sol and ky lovers?

Those sort of questions belong in here

Keep this thread free of anything other than gameplay topics and post whatever questions you like in the other.

*ahem* Anyhow, since I keep freaking out and fucking up during specials and combos (against the CPU, mind you), I'm looking to just practice with normals until I can focus/calm down enough to focus. So, which character gets the best mileage out of their normals outside of combos: i.e. pokes, pressure, mixup, etc.

Joined this forum when BB came out and im pretty good at BB using Ragna & Hakumen. So yeah im trying GG. Im not completely new to the game but this is the first time im trying to learn the game properly making correct use of long combos RC,FRC, Impossible dust etc.

To be honest i really like Order Sol and Test however can anyone give me there opinion to how complex these characters are and are they suited to a new player in terms of technical ability required in order to play them effectively? I know order sol has 1 of the easier FRC (from Action charge) however the micromanagement of his 'special gauge' is putting me off, how important is his 'special gauge'? Should i be trying to fill it constantly then saving it for big combos, or just play with it in the backround and charge it if i want/need to?

Test seems quite solid and i used to use him way back on GGX on Dreamcast, but this was only at casual level. ive been playing around with badlands loops but beyond this im not sure what i should be doing with him.

I mentioned Sol in the thread title because im assuming he is the go to character for a new player like myself. Ive been messing around with SW loops and gatling into 2D, GF - FRC continue pressure and he feels quite solid. But unless hes a fair bit easier i might as well put my time into characters im more interested in.

Any help is appreciated

Thanks in advance Ash.