[Xrd] Ky Kiske vs. Venom

[Kazuki Slice]

• Use this thread to discuss the Venom matchup.
• If the matchup is giving you trouble, check to see if this post already contains info which will help you. If not, be as specific as possible when asking for help and others will be glad to give advice.
• Please focus more heavily on discussing how to play the matchup properly than who is at advantage/disadvantage.
• This post will be updated to collect useful info over time.

 

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Ky vs Venom

Arguably 6-4 in favor of Venom, feels like 6.5-3.5 when playing. IMO, Venom has been Ky's worst matchup in every version of GG since XX. Ky is forced to set the screen on fire and keep Venom doing something. Good Venom players can make decisions on ball setups very quickly, and Ky will try to push Venom to making decisions constantly.

Neutral
Letting Venom set up a ball setup unmolested is a ?, so Ky must always force Venom to react to something. HS SE and Air TK HS SE constantly and aggressively to prevent Venom from creating a ball setup. The goal is to force Venom to react so that you can move yourself within Greed Sever distance.
At closer distances (like 5S distance) use S SE and air TK S SE aggressively to push your way in as well.

You have to set the screen on fire and force Venom to constantly make a decision at every moment of the game. If you don't, then Venom can lock Ky down rather effectively from full screen, and you will be compelled to do stupid things like IAD -> IB a ball -> air dash again to push in. So rather than letting that situation occur, don't be afraid to trade hits with the balls to force the issue.

Offense

Venom does not have particularly good defense, although his 2D will beat lots of Ky's pokes and specials. Which is why you should stay just inside greed sever range at all times and again, force Venom to block or put him to decisions at all times.

To go for counterhits against Venom 2D or other moves, lean towards 6HS, Greed Sever and 2S to go for counterhit rather than going in close that often. Keep the pressure up, but also let Venom have a chance to hang himself.

Against Venoms that like to 2D in between chains to SE to hit Ky out, chain into Greed Sever instead. It's counterintuitive, but like, 6HS -> Sever will work against 2D happy Venoms.

Defense
The huge reason this matchup is so bad is because of Ky's crouching hitbox, which is extremely wide; almost as wide as Potemkin. Ky cannot break Venom katame of up ball to perpetuity without doing a standing FD/IB/slashback in the corner. If Ky does crouching block, Venom can up ball to infinity in the corner. So anytime Ky is sent into the corner by the Dark Angel super, Venom can keep him there to perpetuity unless Ky does something risky to get out.

Even if you FD/IB/slashback standing against up ball, Venom still has frame advantage and can simply block or win any ensuing attack. If you try to one frame jump out, then the up ball will make you block anyway, and then Venom can do a 6HS.

So basically you will have to watch for an upball and do a standing FD/IB/slashback against it, so you can try for a trade with 2S/5S/2D to push him out a bit and seize the initiative back, or try for a one frame FD jump and hope Venom doesn't take all your tension away with a 6HS. Venom usually wins out here by choosing to 2D or intermix other things with the upball instead which will trade or win in his favor. Unfortunately, there isn't really much else you can do which is why the matchup is so horrid, so you just have to ante up and try something off the standing FD.

Against Venoms that attack instead and don't know any better, 2P, selective FD and one frame jumps will break Venom's offense, and stun dipper will go under stinger. Most Venoms that I have encountered are not that bad though.

Feel free to make adjustments with regards to Xrd.