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wow had no idea dead space 3 is coming out in like 3 weeks!

You mean Gears of Space 3? Whatever that game is, it's not Dead Space.

sweetvids

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Uh yeah, he means that it's not even Dead Space anymore. It's like just another action shooter. But fucking Metal Gear Rising, damn that gonna be good.

Saru Kada

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salamence.. why 30 all IVs if you're not gonna use HP? lol anyways I'm not a big fan of draco meteor + dragon pulse, especially with protect; you're lacking a huge amount of coverage, and doesn't fire blast over flamethrower give you some important OHKOs? also if you're looking for a special sweeper there is absolutely no reason to take modest salamence over timid hydreigon, who still hits harder even with a neutral nature, outspeeds, and has better bulk

lol scarf haxorus... you can consider jolly over adamant but otherwise this is pretty standard

legend of yache garchomp... is fire fang solely there for skarmory? because without boosts or weather fire fang is only gonna do 25-31% to skarm, you'd be much better off having something else deal with skarm and taking dragon claw/stone edge instead for coverage

mild dragonite..? he doesn't even have any physical attacks why not just modest? or perhaps stick on roost and t-wave as well and abuse that multiscale, also I would definitely trade out roar for dragon tail so you can do some damage while you're shufflin... every day i'm para-shufflin'. if you do that then the post-draco meteor spa drop still leaves him moderately useful (or better yet give him outrage AND draco meteor lolol)

whimsicott... you could drop something for leech seed? as it is though I feel like it's barely going to survive long enough to get tailwind AND safeguard up

scizor definitely could use superpower

for the notes: as far as cresselia goes I feel like having stun spore/toxic or subseed whimsicott would do the trick, but it would be nice to have more than just one status inducer, or even some entry hazards. lack of weather control brings up the concern of rain teams - your only concern should be bulky water-types that you can't break through like jellicent or tentacruel, and swift swimmers. for the former - you need a better wallbreaker, for the latter you have scarf haxorus. I really don't think whimsicott losing speed tie to other whimsicotts is as large of a concern as not having the focus sash which potentially lets you get both safeguard and tailwind up. CB haxorus means next to nothing switches in on him safely but then you ideally need a partner that can deal with any of the potential switchins - earthquake doesn't handle skarm, flamethrower/fire blast can't deal with heatran, and one of your mixed sweepers needs both. mold breaker earthquake hitting hydreigon isn't an issue because even +2 earthquake from adamant haxorus only has a 30% chance to OHKO hydreigon (unboosted earthquake 3HKOs); more importantly, hydreigon outspeeds haxorus 98 to 97 - unless haxorus is scarfed - in which case everyone on your team not named scizor is OHKO by unboosted dragon claw anyway (remember, mold breaker ignores multiscale...). outrage-induced confusion - weren't you going to lum berry someone?

TLDR hydreigon pls

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MagicalGirl

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salamence.. why 30 all IVs if you're not gonna use HP?

Oh, stuff left over from me playing around with different moves on sim. Before I checked it, I also had Whimsicott as Adamant.ｗ

lol anyways I'm not a big fan of draco meteor + dragon pulse, especially with protect; you're lacking a huge amount of coverage

Dragon Pulse is for when Salamence is last one left standing and I don't want to keep throwing out a 10% miss move that keeps crippling my SpA. What other coverage move were you thinking of? HP Flying won't net me anything notable (as far as I'm aware) over Dragon Claw which hits more types for neutral. Protect helps ward off Fake Out and makes certain that I won't lose Salamence right out of the gate until I hopefully get Tailwind up. 4th slot was actually originally Tailwind until I realized Whimsicott helps out my team in a lot of ways.

and doesn't fire blast over flamethrower give you some important OHKOs?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgtCC4Vhj1gCdEczdjk0a1RyYVFva084ZV9WNVNIT3c

Did some rudimentary calcs, and yeah, I guess it might help enough.

You may want to double check me though.

Also, I just remembered I have helping hand on Whimsicott if need be.

also if you're looking for a special sweeper there is absolutely no reason to take modest salamence over timid hydreigon, who still hits harder even with a neutral nature, outspeeds, and has better bulk

Aside from the ground immunity, Salamence gives me Intimidate. If they lead physical, I can cripple them from the start. This is also part of my concern about being too physical heavy myself.

If I wanted to, I could also give Whimsicott U-Turn. Against physical heavy teams, I could T1: Switch Salamence, Whimsicott U-Turn into Salamence, suddenly their physical attacks only do half. Kinda helpful when I'll be seeing a lot of Ice Punches and Rock Slides.

legend of yache garchomp... is fire fang solely there for skarmory? because without boosts or weather fire fang is only gonna do 25-31% to skarm, you'd be much better off having something else deal with skarm and taking dragon claw/stone edge instead for coverage

Fire Fang was there more for the other steels I can't hit with EQ, but yeah, it is kinda useless. I'll probably put Stone Edge on it.

mild dragonite..? he doesn't even have any physical attacks why not just modest?

Mild is SpA+, Def-, but Modest would make more sense on this set. Another case of me changing stuff while on sim.

or perhaps stick on roost and t-wave as well and abuse that multiscale

would be better if I didn't have 2 mons to watch out for

also I would definitely trade out roar for dragon tail so you can do some damage while you're shufflin... every day i'm para-shufflin'.

10% miss on dtail leading to trick room going up and having my opponent play their game. eh.

I don't find paralysis that useful since I already have speed control in the form of tailwind.

if you do that then the post-draco meteor spa drop still leaves him moderately useful (or better yet give him outrage AND draco meteor lolol)

I guess I could make dragonite physical. I just wanted to be wary of trick rooms that had intimidate support.

whimsicott... you could drop something for leech seed? as it is though I feel like it's barely going to survive long enough to get tailwind AND safeguard up

Actually I'm considering dropping safeguard for encore. If they protect I can lock them into it. I don't think safeguard will be that necessary if I can taunt their status user or outspeed them in the first place.

scizor definitely could use superpower

Another option I was considering was using Natural Gift for a one-time 120 base power physical fire attack, but I figure I would want to keep the berry just in case.

for the notes: as far as cresselia goes I feel like having stun spore/toxic or subseed whimsicott would do the trick

Right now, I'm only afraid of Cresselia if it's there to setup trick room. I think I'll have enough tools to KO its teammates/KO it eventually under a normal setting. Ice Beam Cresselia could be annoying, too. Honestly, a lot of it will be down to Outrage luck, but that was why the team was conceived in the first place.

Hydreigon could help out here, too, but so could Scizor. Maybe run Scizor on non-TR teams with Cresselia, too?

lack of weather control brings up the concern of rain teams - your only concern should be bulky water-types that you can't break through like jellicent or tentacruel, and swift swimmers. for the former - you need a better wallbreaker, for the latter you have scarf haxorus.

I can agree here.

CB haxorus means next to nothing switches in on him safely but then you ideally need a partner that can deal with any of the potential switchins - earthquake doesn't handle skarm, flamethrower/fire blast can't deal with heatran, and one of your mixed sweepers needs both.

I guess it's a marginal case, but I can agree. Don't know what I'll end up seeing on wifi; nevertheless I really really doubt I'm going to run into someone with Skarm and Heatran on the same team since Skarm isn't exactly... common in VGC.

mold breaker earthquake hitting hydreigon isn't an issue because even +2 earthquake from adamant haxorus only has a 30% chance to OHKO hydreigon (unboosted earthquake 3HKOs); more importantly, hydreigon outspeeds haxorus 98 to 97 - unless haxorus is scarfed - in which case everyone on your team not named scizor is OHKO by unboosted dragon claw anyway (remember, mold breaker ignores multiscale...).

would you say drop chomp and run hydreigon?

down to one outrage user, not that I really mind

outrage-induced confusion - weren't you going to lum berry someone?

I was actually considering putting Swagger on Whimsicott. Free +2 attack on someone. Gimmicks.

I could make dragonite physical and put lum on him.

TLDR hydreigon pls

I'll need to drop a move for dark pulse

EQ is likely since it can't hit levitators anyway

and it could use protect because between it eating life orb recoil amongst other things, I don't want it going down to an easily preventable fake out or mach punch or whatever

Yeah, I'm going to need practice with this team.

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Saru Kada

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I think encore on whimsicott is the right idea

well now you have three guys with draco meteor, you might as well swap one out for outrage... on salamence maybe? drop dragon pulse for outrage hahaha. but as far as salamence goes if you keep him modest then yeah I think having the OHKO on fire blast makes up for the accuracy drop, particularly if you get some form of entry hazard up... could you maybe drop scizor for stealth rock lead metagross?

hydreigon with dark pulse is a fair choice over EQ, with life orb it gives you a guaranteed 2HKO on max sdef max hp cresselia allowing you to drop her without issue if you predict correctly... also solves jellicent via 2HKO among other things, though you lose 2HKO on specially defensive tentacruel (still 2HKO on defensive tentacruel). you won't have room for protect because you can't give up any other moves; superpower gives you OHKO on tyranitar and 2HKO on blissey and heatran. stealth rock really helps out with not having to predict because you can 2HKO the latter two with draco meteor and superpower, with stealth rock in play. and yeah hydreigon will be eating tons of life orb recoil but his role on your team is to break walls, he's got enough bulk to sponge non-super-effective hits on switch-in, steamroll a guy, then get out... but it all comes down to prediction.

physical dragonite is a lot stronger, you could lum outrage him, maybe even give him dragon dance or extremespeed while you're at it. speaking of intimidate, outrage will still OHKO salamence at -1 from both dragonite and haxorus, draco meteor obviously does the trick as well. gyarados is 2HKO from -1 outrage from dragonite and haxorus, salamence and hydreigon both OHKO with draco meteor.

I don't know about bug bite on scizor... pursuit or u-turn feel like stronger options. also I love scizor but I'm trying to find a spot for entry hazards on your team without dropping any more dragons and it's tough... metagross? ferrothorn/forretress??

MagicalGirl

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I actually forgot to consider calcs for Sandstorm in the spreadsheet. I'll see what I lose out on.

I'm still not sold on entry hazards in VGC, just 'cause there's only going to be 4 'mons to take care of and average battle length is about one or two turns past the end of tailwind.

My calcs are saying Gyarados is 2HKO from Draco Meteor, even with Dragon Gem. -1 Outrage is still 3HKO. As long as I have one special attacker left, I should be OK. Without Chomp, I get to worry less about STAB Surf from Specs Gyarados, though.

After some more calcs, I'm still a little sketchy on Phys Dragonite just because as a tech to stop Trick Rooms, I think he would really appreciate a 81.25% OHKO to Hitmontop with Draco Meteor.

Bug Bite is Scizor's strongest STAB. Guaranteed OHKO on all variants of Abomasnow and puts dents into Cresselia, if I do want to run Scizor against Cresselia teams. Any berries it steals is just icing on the cake.

I guess I should note the calcs were done against support Gyarados, but yeah, it should be 2HKO from -1 outrage if it isn't support. Apparently most Gyarados in VGC like dumping EVs into Defense.

I'm not throwing away the idea for phys Dragonite yet, either, but I could use a little more to sell me on it. I do want to do it just for the sheer hilarity of getting off Outrage + Lum.

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sweetvids

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I don't know. But as my coworker once said "soo uhh.... you guys like gurls or anything???"

Speaking of nerd shit. That Elder Scrolls online http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8TbmAUiPk8 Don't know what it is really but looks pretty cool. Moreso excited by the fact that once I get my new comp up and running, I will have the possibility of playing it as opposed to "oh that looks cool, too bad I can't play it so fuck it I don't care".

Saru Kada

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I was running numbers against DD/choice gyarados sets, salamence needs dragon gem for OHKO with draco meteor while hydreigon has varying percentages depending on the exact HP EVs which turn into guaranteed OHKOs with hazards/weather/etc

I know bug bite is scizor's strongest STAB but it's hard to ignore the utility offered by u-turn

where are you getting 81.25% to OHKO on hitmontop? I don't get that even with 0 HP EVs and it looks like most run 252. but yeah lum on dragonite will also help ward off possible burns or paralysis, not just give you a free outrage

by the way do you actually have all these guys ready? isn't it tomorrow? lol

Saru Kada

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I've seen that and I don't know how he managed to fuck it up

also, the beatdown is hilarious, one guy is just hammerfisting the fuck out of the guy towards the end

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