LuminAbyss Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Weakling. Have steak in a bagel at 7 in the morning, topped with tomatoes, mayo, ketchup, ranch and cheese. Then come back and talk.
Astaroth136 Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Dr. Strange is fun to fight. His launcher is like -500 on block. Hawkeye is instantly awesome because of poison arrows and slide. Phoenix Wright is hit or miss. Ghost Rider is really solid but hard to get used to. Nova is a better Iron Man, and he has an OVERHEAD ASSIST. Rocket Raccoon is just tiny. Vergil isn't vastly better than Dante like everyone thought (he uses way too much meter). Iron Fist is just a smaller Hulk with rekkas. Frank West actually has potential. The Dormammu buffs are hilarious. Naimat, you're going to hate how fast Dorm is now. We're talking Magneto speed. Also, lol @ Doom. He's in his own tier.
Milln Posted November 17, 2011 Author Posted November 17, 2011 Frank West actually has potential. Well, he's been in wars, you know. Why is no one talking about Nemesis? FUGGIN' ROCKET LAUNCHER ALL THE TIME ALWAYS FUGGIN' TENTACLE SPACING. Papstr, they need a white Skarner skin:
Astaroth136 Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Why is no one talking about Nemesis? FUGGIN' ROCKET LAUNCHER ALL THE TIME ALWAYS FUGGIN' TENTACLE SPACING. Because Nemesis is a worse version of Hulk.
Kyle Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 THX for the replies star, Lee & niamat. Anyone truly interested, can easily get games in w/ tad. Virtually all relevant info is now on Dustloop. You can ignore the vsav stuff @SRK. I'd be happy to talk characters & system mechanics to anyone w/ questions. You guys sick of options selects, comeback mechanics, 30 second combo's which kill the momentum of a match- Play Vampire. Star has made the analogy that only long combo's do significant damage... argumentative fallacy. It's about damaging offense w/ momentum cause white/speed damage is important in this game.
Papstr Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Well, he's been in wars, you know. he COVERED them.
Klein Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 I'd buy that Skarner skin, and I'd play vsav, I just need a copy of VS with training mode.
Seiki Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Iron fist plays nothing like hulk. His only move with super armor is the chi powerup and it's gimmicky and really hard to time since it doesn't have that many active frames. So it's no hulk standing H. Yeah he hits hard but that's about all they have in common. He moves differently, his mix-ups are different, idk where the connection is besides damage. Dante still builds meter like crazy while hitting hard so you put vergil second and put dante on point till he dies. Dante gets two combos it's like 2+ meters not including him getting hit also builds meter and vergil can take out almost any character with 3. so realistically he is way better than dante if he has meter which isn't hard for him to get. He can also open people up by himself since he can do 50/50 crossups with no assists which dante can't do very well unless he has an assist. Plus vergil can combo off any of his throws...dante needs an assist. Like C.Viper i think rocket raccoon is going to be one of those chars that has a high execution barrier but in the right hands can be ridiculously good. If this game is given more than at least a year to live I think rocket raccoon will move up on the tier list. I saw mastercj play Dorm in ultimate and all he kept doing was like airdash down and the move where dorm swipes below him. It looked hard to punish and get away from but I'm not worried about Dorm. His offense is predictable, normals are slow, and he can't really zone by himself without an assist or meter still. The only thing that troubled me and they nerfed this about him was his hitbox on his anti air and flame carpet being active even when he is hit. Those two things were retarded. I still lose to super armored chars. this list now includes nemesis. le sigh~
LastStarSaviour Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 So how's Strange, Morrigan, and chun looking? Thinking of replacing Chun with Iron Fist if he's fun.
Jackie Chandler Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Naimat- Astaroth said Nemesis was like Hulk, not Iron Fist. :P Dante *does* still build meter consistently, and paired with Vergil's dependancy on meter might work together on one team. However, I wouldn't say Vergil is better because he can "kill any character with 3 bars" when a good portion of the cast can do that by just ending a BnB with a Level 3. You're right about the crossups and picking up air throws, though- I would say those and the ability to "infinitely" gatling H and S (for the sake of catching assists and tricky blockstrings) are reasons he might be better. What hinders him is the fact that aside from, his Air L, M, and H, he doesn't have ANY overheads. Basically, I think Vergil is good, but I'm not sure I'd say he's better than Dante yet. It really disappoints me that more people don't use C. Viper. She's one of the most fun characters to watch IMO, and you can tell when you watch good players with her that she's a force to be reckoned with. The same thing goes for Chun-Li. Both characters are severely underplayed, and seem to work incredibly well together (Focus Attack + Lightning Legs assist = true unblockable). It's just like you said- the execution barrier divided by payoff is too low when compared to other characters, so people don't even give them a chance. :/ And no offense, but I can see you changing your mind about Doom very soon. He's retardedly easy to combo with (s.H -> s.S -> j.M -> j.2H -> j.S., I think- rinse and repeat) his mobility options are great, and his payoff on random hits are generally ridiculous... At least from what I noticed. ... Super Armor characters still get me too. X/ Star- Do any of those characters have an OTG? There's much less emphasis on having an OTG assist/character in Ultimate, but it's something that might not hurt to have. As for Chun-Li vs. Iron Fist, I would say Iron Fist is the easier character and Chun-Li is the better character.
Jackie Chandler Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Oh, and Astaroth- I was playing around in Training Mode a few minutes ago trying to nail the timing on that Akuma Air Hyper -> Air X Factor -> Akuma Air Hyper, and it turns out it's not possible. You can't Air Hyper with Akuma twice in a row. XD
LastStarSaviour Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 I'm more or less clueless about that atm, don't have the game and I won't have it for about another 3 months. Dr. Strange has got me so interested in this game though it's silly. His style is so ridiculous, can't wait to actually use him.
Astaroth136 Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Iron fist plays nothing like hulk. His only move with super armor is the chi powerup and it's gimmicky and really hard to time since it doesn't have that many active frames. So it's no hulk standing H. Yeah he hits hard but that's about all they have in common. He moves differently, his mix-ups are different, idk where the connection is besides damage. They're both "heavy hitters." They both have a hard time against zoners. Their mobility is pretty similar (small dashes/jump-cancelled dashes). They both have a hard time opening up an opponent without assists. They both have a near-invincible "gtfo me" assist.
Astaroth136 Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Naimat- Astaroth said Nemesis was like Hulk, not Iron Fist. :P No, I compared them a few posts up. Oh, and Astaroth- I was playing around in Training Mode a few minutes ago trying to nail the timing on that Akuma Air Hyper -> Air X Factor -> Akuma Air Hyper, and it turns out it's not possible. You can't Air Hyper with Akuma twice in a row. XD Dorm's hyper -> XF -> hyper acts funny if it's in a long combo. It used to always work in vanilla, but in Ultimate, not so much.
Astaroth136 Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Triple post. I fought an awesome Joe today that almost beat me. He had some sick setups. I won because he used that slowdown on Hulk and tried to keep the pressure. Never saw the super slow gamma crush coming... lol
Seiki Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 @Chandler: Vergil doesn't need an overhead. He opens people up easy with 50/50 crossups. he has 3 tools to cross up and you have to guess and can't block on reaction quick slash, his teleport with sword super, assist and teleport. Seriously he doesn't need an overhead with those three things. And frankly having a crossup mixup is better than a high low mixup cause it works on airborne opponents too. And A good portion of the cast cannot end a bnb with a level 3 for the kill unless they use assists to extend their combos. Vergil has relatively lower than average hit stun deterioration on his combos cause of round trip (where he throws the sword) so what makes him unique is that he can touch of death almost anyone with 3 meters without an assist. This also makes him a way better anchor than dante. Everyone can run away from dante easily when he doesn't have an assist cause he can't cross you up and his high low game doesn't exist. Let alone he can't combo off his grabs without an assist. Vergil can do all of those things (minus high low) by himself. And I'm not saying that high execution characters like viper have a relatively low payoff. Look at marlin pie, he is popping infinites with viper. It's just they aren't explored enough because they are difficult to play, but the payoff is great. Also...I was talking about dormmamu not doom... @Astaroth: yes they are both heavy hitters Quit frankly iron fist can get in on zoners. With his half screen dash and oh yeah his standing h moves him forward as well with a great hitbox and speed. not to mention he has a bionic arm super. His dash again...is like 10 frames to get across the screen. His wavedash is the fastest in the game. If the opponent is on the ground iron fist can open up using his high/low rekka. Even faking out a low and canceling it into a high before the low even hits. and if they are in the air he can combo them from an air grab without an assist (i think...might depend how high off the ground) I was watching the option select stream and Ryan hunter was playing a complete zoning team of hawkeye dorm and strange. Flashmetroid kept getting in with iron fist by just staying grounded and knowing when to wavedash and use standing H or M. Ryan was saying that Iron fist will give zoning characters trouble.
Papstr Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 I'm more or less clueless about that atm, don't have the game and I won't have it for about another 3 months. Dr. Strange has got me so interested in this game though it's silly. His style is so ridiculous, can't wait to actually use him. The stuff he sets up and shoots shit through reminds me of Mu sorta.
LastStarSaviour Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) Yeah, he pretty much is the "Mu" of the game. From setting up orbs to throwing out energy balls for oki, he's the Marvel image of my god-slaying princess (if he was a girl i'd play Marvel without a doubt). Unfortunately he has less security for getting in than her seeing as they don't fire lasers. Plus his orb set-ups are limited from what I saw. Not being able to throw out orbs covering any range from a few feet in front of him makes using them meh a bit. However, having assists makes up for it and makes him twice as lethal. I've also seen where if you're under an orb when I throw a fireball through it a beam rains down on you. Idk much more specifically but I do know this much; I may never play Marvel but I will have a deadly Dr. Strange, you can bet money on that. Edited November 18, 2011 by LastStarSaviour
Papstr Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 Really getting the feel for Zero and Wesker, but my lord Dormammu has me stumped. I'm not the best with slower/zoning style characters. I'm not really sure what exactly the game plan with him is. :/
Milln Posted November 18, 2011 Author Posted November 18, 2011 Teleport > j.M = combo > Air combo > OTG Assist > Purification > Chaotic Flame Repeat. If opponent is near dead, chip 'em out with Purification cause they'll air recover and be forced to block. Optional, XFactor the Chaotic Flame to another Chaotic Flame.
Papstr Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 What would I use to cover said teleport though?
Jackie Chandler Posted November 18, 2011 Posted November 18, 2011 What would I use to cover said teleport though? Shippuga Assist or Jaguar Dash Assist (not that anyone uses anything besides the gunshot, haha). Good games to both Astaroth and Naimat today. There were some shenanigans going on in Naimat and I's games especially. Bionic Arm got beaten out by both Akuma's Beam Hyper and Joe's Mach Speed. XD It was definitely a good day for some Marvel.
Milln Posted November 18, 2011 Author Posted November 18, 2011 Jaguar Dash Assist Wesker does that little nerd laugh when he does Jaguar Dash. It's so funny.
LastStarSaviour Posted November 19, 2011 Posted November 19, 2011 (edited) Didn't someone say Marvel was at the mall tomorrow or something? Or am I just crazy? Edited November 19, 2011 by LastStarSaviour
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