[CS2] Iron Tager vs Platinum

[A.X.I.S.]

Troll versus troll here!

Ok lets seriously talk about how to reverse troll this munchkin.

Thread name subject to change.

[Hain]

I'd like to apologize if this is out-of-place, seeing as it's my first actual post in this forum...

From my experiences playing against Platinum, I've noticed a few things.

-Platinum's Aerial 2C has very, very little hit-stun. You should be able to slip a 360 in, even if you've been hit.

-Mami Circular. It lifts Platinum off the ground, launches the recipient a good distance, and means lots of extended corner combos! Still, if you manage to block it, be careful: she'll stay in the air for just a brief moment after the hit. 360A instead of B if you're going that route, just to be safe. Personally, I prefer the 2C.

-If, somehow, Platinum manages to get you into the corner, expect a lot of Dream Sally. Very dangerous tech trap, easy for her to catch you in it.

-Dramatic Sammy is surprisingly effective against Tager as well, though usually as a tech trap.

-A Momo with Platinum's missiles can't be effectively sledged through. Her bombs, on the other hand...

-That cat flail is going to be a problem for Tager, ten frame start-up or not. Try to get her to waste it before trying to approach.

-Watch for the frying pan, too.

In short, from what I've seen, as long as you aren't shoved in the corner, and watch for those little mix-ups, it's a fairly easy match for Tager. Avoid using moves with slow start-up, and watch that item counter, you'll do fine. No guarantees, though.

Edited May 22, 2011 by Hain

[A.X.I.S.]

First post on DL and it was very detailed, I meant to do a write up but I am a little tired.

So lets compare notes shall we.

Plats j.2C has very little hitstun you got 3 routes.

Block. (She can actually combo from j.2C but its very inconsistent.)

360. (If she makes a gap you'll beat her poke.)

backdash. (her next poke will whiff and knowing her she will have a good deal of recovery.)

She has 6 magical items so lets break this down.

Frying pan-Not a threat when she isn't close but when she is...it can be used as an instant overhead that can lead to 4k+ midscreen to corner, In the corner however it goes up to 5k+.

Magical kitty-10F fast can be a instant overhead the thread level isn't so huge since she can't follow up, still block it however you can and advance in.

Magical bat-1 button DP, you can invul through it but its hella hard, bait it...bait it a lot, safe-ish on block.

Magical bombs-If she has this then expect your sledge to be baited this projectile also eats spark so don't use it.

Magical Hammer-Breaks 2 primers and safe on block and she can do serious damage with it from the hammer loop.

Magical cat missle-Eats spark and you WILL block it if you know what's good for you, make her waste it, its the only way around it.

Expect a combonation of both Hain and my posts tomorrow or whenever I post them.

[Hain]

I'd like to point out that, if you backdash against her aerial 2C, Platinum's first poke might miss, but her 5B>3C>Fallen Melody combo could land her a hit anyways. Assuming that first poke is 5B.

At the same time, seeing the backdash could encourage a Platinum to use Dramatic Sammy, or worse, Mami Circular, during the vulnerable frames of the dash. Her Aerial 2C works quite a bit like Tager's Aerial D, at least in that you can switch to another move the moment you land.

Aerial B is an effective counter to a Platinum attempting to clip you from underneath with a Mami, but chances of that are rare. They'll probably aim for a melee-item-momo or just get out of the way.

Watch out for her rapid cancels. 5A is probably your best bet against an attempt at an RC mixup.

[A.X.I.S.]

Good stuff.

You can poke dream sammy (bubble) and Mami circular will never punish backdash unless its yomi.

Mami comes out too slow to consistently punish backdash.

Her j.2C is annoying because it can be used as a instant overhead and it special cancels into swallowmoon. (float) meaning she doesn't have to commit to landing immediately.

So how do you get around a lot of plat mix up mash A or backdash...sadly her goal in this match up is to make you respect it.

Ah discussion, I love it.

Keep up the good work Hain.

Edit: Her J.C has a lot of start up so don't backdash too early or it will clip the backdash, also its easy to punish when you do backdash, her landing recovery is horrendous.

[Hain]

Thank you very much.

I should revise my earlier post, Mami Circular can't hit during the recovery frames of a backdash, however it will hit any attempts at retaliation. If you're lucky, though, an Atomic Collider should catch her, but that's hardly worth the risk.

One of the best ways to mess with an aerial Platinum is a magnetized 6A. Prepare it on approach and suck her in. It should land you an Atomic Collider combo if timed right.

Tager's 2C is no good as anti-air in this matchup. Platinum's Aerial C and Aerial B have more range, and she can pull them out faster. She'll usually get a free counter-hit.

Tager might have the most guard primers, but against a good Platinum with a hammer, even he is in danger of being Guard crushed. If you see the hammer come out, backdash, don't block. Remember that the Mami Circular also chips one primer away as well.

Curedot Typhoon has one frame of invulnerability. That's all she needs to ruin your day if you underestimate her distortions. At the same time, it's easily avoided if you see it coming, and it'll leave her very exposed afterward.

Dramatic Sammy (her command grab), will have her run right next to you and attempt a grab, hitting anyone who techs immediately for a free 1500 damage and item recharge. Be wary of this; it also replenishes any upgraded weapons she might have, such as the fan, or the giant missiles.

As a final note, any aerial combo ending with Air Persia will have her on the ground almost as quickly as you. Tech smart.

Edited May 22, 2011 by Hain

[Manta]

Mami Circular is a free 360B on block, tested it, don't waste your time using 360A since it's actually possibly escapable then (Frame advantage ranges from -24 to -9 depending on how late it hits). However any competent Platinum would only ever risk letting this get blocked if they can RC it, so expect that. If they do have the meter, I've found some can get cocky as it beats your throw attempts and think its safe. I've found it's surprisingly easy to airthrow for some reason, not sure if 2A is effective however. Her non-projectile drive attacks are all at least -7 on block (And don't cancel into anything) so don't be afraid to poke her out of the recovery.

Dramatic sally's a bitch, use 5A liberally. Your throw range is also greater than hers so if you anticipate it, bring on the pain. She has only 10500hp.

Incidentally, her Astral is both a full reversal and totally safe on block. Just takes a while to power up.

Edited July 8, 2011 by Manta

[DeadliestxXx]

Recently fighting with trajik online, i have some problems with platinum.

- What can i do after she uses her 6c on me? I try to mash out 2a or 5a with it but it doesn't seem to work and i eventually get CH'd on the second hit so i just usually backdash.

- What is the safest way to approach platinum? Platinum usually either uses 3c against me or when i jump over her 3c she usually has enough time for 2C or 6A and D never really seems to be safe anyways.

- Dramatic Sammy is a bitch but its just cause i have slow reactions. =/

[A.X.I.S.]

6C>follow up loses to 5C/2C.

There is no safe way to approach plat, just walk forward and IB, you can actually j.C over the 3C and can close in like that.

I hope this helped.

Also Trajik used quick get up heart car.

Blow him up please.

Tell him Axis sent ya.

[TagerTime]

i really haven't had time to play or practice very much at all since i started my job when cs2 came out. But i just want to say that from my experience fighting Cirno (the self proclaimed best Platinum outside of japan) Gadget Finger is actually a really Great tool against Platinum even if she has the bat or not.

[A.X.I.S.]

Gadget ruins Plat, Getting in on a good Plat is the problem.