A.X.I.S. Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Be incredibly random and punish stupidity. There thats the match up! Happy now? Oh wait your not!? Lets discuss why mirrors are cool. Thread name subject to change.
NaRD Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 What's the best opener for a match against Tager now? Jumping back is unsafe for the most part, and stepping back is asking to be magnetized.
A.X.I.S. Posted May 12, 2011 Author Posted May 12, 2011 I won't do a write up on this yet but your best openers are: 5A backdash (becareful using this.) 4D (stuffs stupid) 3C (beats 5A) Don't hi jump around. Don't gadget finger unless your doing RC 5C>MTW for the kill. Play footsies with 5C/5D. Troll the hell out of your opponent. Land 720 as much as you can but be clever about it. Little bits. 360A can beat 720 if done at the same time. 360s are even more deadly learn the combos for them. Ok I am off to write up on Noel.
Heroic_Legacy Posted May 13, 2011 Posted May 13, 2011 best openers are: 5A backdash (becareful using this.) Walk Backwards (set more distance to poke more) 4D (stuffs anything B button and up except 3C?) 3C (beats 5A) 6B (Beats 3C with FATAL) *Whistles* What do you think about 6A as an opener?
A.X.I.S. Posted May 13, 2011 Author Posted May 13, 2011 Probably lose anything faster than its super armor. Also 6Aing someone's 6A pull is hilarious.
Shervin Posted May 13, 2011 Posted May 13, 2011 when youre magnetized, try to use it to your advantage. I know in CS1 it was easy to backdash a 5D and land+360/720. not sure how it is now though since they changed the properties of the 5D pulling.
FlyingVe Posted May 13, 2011 Posted May 13, 2011 I'll be honest, this matchup doesn't really seem any different. We have a few new combos, and magnetism is actually an advantage in neutral, but other than that, it's still turtling and 5C.
Astaroth136 Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) I'll be honest, this matchup doesn't really seem any different. We have a few new combos, and magnetism is actually an advantage in neutral, but other than that, it's still turtling and 5C. Really? I played about 40 matches against Tragik Ghost (a very good Tager on XBL from what I've seen) last night, and the matchup seemed pretty different to me. He and I were both punishing a well-spaced 5C with a mag'd 360A. Seriously, watch for the 360's. Your giant hitbox + 360's new pull = hilarious results. Speaking of new 360, 2B 2C xx Collider can be done off of 360A and 360B without any walking forward. You get around 4.5k and 5k respectively. With all of the new air unblockables, simply jumping away from mixups isn't recommended unless you're barriering, and even then you run the risk of getting blocked 5D collider. 6A isn't even worth using unless you know it's going to hit. On block, all options EXCEPT a quick 3C can be 360A'ed. If 3C is IB'ed, doesn't 5A and a few other things punish it? Oh, and one last thing. The defensive Tager in this matchup will always lose. Whoever gets magnetism first on their opponent in the beginning of the match seems to have a huge advantage, and usually wins from what I experienced. This wasn't really the case in CS1, but it certainly seems like it now. Edited May 15, 2011 by Astaroth136
OrionXElite Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 If you block 3C, 360B is a clean punish oven you're close enough. 720 is also A free punish on normal block. It's -6 so on IB, you have the option of 5A/2A if you're too far but best option is to wait for a chance to 360/720 them. Also 6A can be useful if you think they'll try and punish you with a 360 as you can still special cancel it to 360B and get a throw counter.
NaRD Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 6B seems interesting, but 5A beats that. I find that most Tagers go with 5A or 3C. Looks like Rock, Paper, Scissors for the opening move, with blocking being the equivalent of a tower shield.
Shervin Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 I won't do a write up on this yet but your best openers are: 3C (beats 5A) 3c also beats 4d so watch out for that
NaRD Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 I had a Tager open with 6C against 6B, I got countered and he was Fatal'd. I think 6C catches backdashes so that's something to look out for, even if it's rare.
Bad Fish Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 best opener against a tager with a tager is and always will be just walk backwards, if they do some approach move punish accordingly, ex: they sledge u 5C, they 2D u 5B, etc.
Manta Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 Not really useful information, but I managed to finish off a Tager through his 6A Super armour (It's only half damage after all). Funny thing was, Tager was still in his 6A Startup pose during the FINISH freeze frame. Confused me somewhat.
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted May 27, 2011 Posted May 27, 2011 Tager vs. Tager....*picks a different character* God hates you if you get this match up.
A.X.I.S. Posted May 28, 2011 Author Posted May 28, 2011 I love mirrors, its his easiest match up lol.
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 (edited) I love mirrors, its his easiest match up lol. I use to think that. But then I'll get rape. So, yeah, I'll stick to my original idea. Edited May 29, 2011 by CrazyI-nomitsu
A.X.I.S. Posted May 28, 2011 Author Posted May 28, 2011 This match is amazing, I don't think I even have to do a write up on it.
A.X.I.S. Posted May 29, 2011 Author Posted May 29, 2011 Your wrong... Ok not completely but it doesn't help as much as you think.
PSOInvictus Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Your wrong... Ok not completely but it doesn't help as much as you think. The truth for sho
A.X.I.S. Posted May 29, 2011 Author Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) Ever watch Mike Z? Be crazy random but be safe about it. Basic rules go: Zone with 5C/5D carefully. Don't get magnetized and if you do make them pay for being predictable. Don't do a easy to react to jump in IE don't jump in full screen or you eat a collider/2C/5C* *As in I am the only Tager boss enough for 5C Oh and watch out for IB's you WILL get 720'd if you're being dumb. Everything dumb can and will work. Everything smart will make you feel dumb. Have fun. Edited May 29, 2011 by A.X.I.S.
Bad Fish Posted June 3, 2011 Posted June 3, 2011 Ever watch Mike Z? Be crazy random but be safe about it. Basic rules go: Zone with 5C/5D carefully. Don't get magnetized and if you do make them pay for being predictable. Don't do a easy to react to jump in IE don't jump in full screen or you eat a collider/2C/5C* *As in I am the only Tager boss enough for 5C Oh and watch out for IB's you WILL get 720'd if you're being dumb. Everything dumb can and will work. Everything smart will make you feel dumb. Have fun. this is the literal match word for damn word....mike z taught me so!!
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