Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Malcopunch]

I don't think the Azure can be removed, its nature is to consume everything around, including the weilder and ya know..I wonder if Ragna would bleed out if it was removed, isn't it the only reason he was even able to survive getting his arm cut off in the first place? Then again, he lost his left arm with no problems soooo.

But yea, as much shit as Ragna gets, its mostly his own fault; even he acknowledged that he just kinda accepted the power of the Azure without even understanding the nature of it or trying to, he just wanted it for the sake of destroying everything that pissed him off. And he's a self righteous asshole who tends to put his foot in his mouth.

I still love him, but yea...he's not completely devoid of fault when it comes to his misfortunes.

No offense but that self righteous asshole who tends to put his foot in his mouth also applies to gen. Jin is even more self righteous than Ragna

[Toxin45]

But then again, Nu is very clear with what she want and she said it only moments before Ragna defeated her inside Take-mikazuchi. To kill Ragna and to be killed by Ragna for all eternity. Or for them to fuse together and destroy everything.

Ragna was only too naive and thought that he could simply beat her once and she would become a nice girl since in his mind Nu wants to be saved.

Well he should have reason with her and give up with all the stuff but Nu's insanity is not just limit to being yandere but from her being in some duel with Ragna as I stated is the only thing she understands and says stuff like saving people is sad instead of killing including herself so yeah it won't be that easy

[BlackYakuzu94]

You can't really blame them though. Bitch be crazy, and not in the sense where her "hotness" factor outweighs it. Maybe its just me, but when you give an earnest effort in trying to save someone and they repay you by stabbing you in the back, I think you're perfectly entitled to put the ol'girl to bed. Permanently.

But then again, Nu is very clear with what she want and she said it only moments before Ragna defeated her inside Take-mikazuchi. To kill Ragna and to be killed by Ragna for all eternity. Or for them to fuse together and destroy everything.

Ragna was only too naive and thought that he could simply beat her once and she would become a nice girl since in his mind Nu wants to be saved.

Ragna either needs a new tactic, or just end her and we know he's not gonna do that since he doesn't feel like killing her anymore, truly a problem for this man.

No offense but that self righteous asshole who tends to put his foot in his mouth also applies to gen. Jin is even more self righteous than Ragna

I never said he wasn't? Both of them are assholes, and both of them get a lot of shit for it; I don't think there's one game when Jin isn't called out on his assholery, and gets the shit beaten out of him.

[Toxin45]

No offense but that self righteous asshole who tends to put his foot in his mouth also applies to gen. Jin is even more self righteous than Ragna

Well Ragna quits being an asshole now and Jin is less of an ass even towards Noel he tone it down a bit.Pretty much character development change them Ragna did had a hidden heart it's just that his revenge and destruction was in the way and when he got rid of it he pretty much took a level in kindness realize the good qualities within him.

Also About the story of the world

the girl that writes the book is Amatertasu stands The book being the master unit and the girl inside well the writer.

Also the "girl" who is a monster is still unknown. I seen it from a wikia comments about it.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Toxin45

[Luminos564]

But then again, Nu is very clear with what she want and she said it only moments before Ragna defeated her inside Take-mikazuchi. To kill Ragna and to be killed by Ragna for all eternity. Or for them to fuse together and destroy everything.

Ragna was only too naive and thought that he could simply beat her once and she would become a nice girl since in his mind Nu wants to be saved.

Maybe it was a little too naive of Ragna to assume this, but recall that while Nu-13 was in Lambda-11 she had none of the pre-established "Execute MurderAll.EXE" and even took an Ouroboros to the back for him. I figure that's why he decided to give her this chance. It is even reflected in his introduction with her, where he ceases a Hell's Fang just inches away from her. Of course, I hope this CP experience means he wised up and the next time he meets that disgusting wretch he doesn't hesitate tearing a hole right through her guts.

And if that whole "evil" business and Imperator controlling him like a puppet are any indication, it could very well happen.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Luminos564

[Toxin45]

Maybe it was a little too naive of Ragna to assume this, but recall that while Nu-13 was in Lambda-11 she had none of the pre-established "Execute MurderAll.EXE" and even took an Ouroboros to the back for him. I figure that's why he decided to give her this chance. It is even reflected in his introduction with her, where he ceases a Hell's Fang just inches away from her. Of course, I hope this CP experience means he wised up and the next time he meets that disgusting wretch he doesn't hesitate tearing a hole right through her guts.

And if that hole "evil" business and Imperator controlling him like a puppet are any indication, it could very well happen.

Well there is that probably because she doesn't have her azure and Kokopuffs here wiped almost all of her memories to tame her.Also what part of Story of the World do you not get? The writer and Book is the master unit and the monster girl is nu obviously to me the story of the world sounds like the events of CT.

The Hero: Ragna the Bloodedge,Jin and Hakumen

The Monster:Black Beast

The "girl:Nu-13

The Imprisoned Girl: Amateratsu unit and the time loops.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

Not going to say about Nu-13 as I already have repetitively commented on the facts behind her...

And Ragna didn't really do crap in Episode 18 to "save" her. All he did was make her unconscious and take her out from Take-Mikazuchi to stop it from functioning. It didn't really count as "saving" at all.

[Toxin45]

Not going to say about Nu-13 as I already have repetitively commented on the facts behind her...

And Ragna didn't really do crap in Episode 18 to "save" her. All he did was make her unconscious and take her out from Take-Mikazuchi to stop it from functioning. It didn't really count as "saving" at all.

Well yeah but doesn't the story sound a lot CT and the Dark War it's like a summary.

[Zedar90]

Not going to say about Nu-13 as I already have repetitively commented on the facts behind her...

And Ragna didn't really do crap in Episode 18 to "save" her. All he did was make her unconscious and take her out from Take-Mikazuchi to stop it from functioning. It didn't really count as "saving" at all.

And after that he asked Celica to heal Nu using magic. Did Ragna think that Nu is a tsundere? She is a Yandere! If you want her to change you need to get to the core of her problem and fix/destroy it.

[Toxin45]

And after that he asked Celica to heal Nu using magic. Did Ragna think that Nu is a tsundere? She is a Yandere! If you want her to change you need to get to the core of her problem and fix/destroy it.

You mean from her heart? Like what...Aside from being tortured by scientists

[Shinhwa]

I already mentioned several times that the Story of the World (btw this isn't even the official name. I just used what Rachel said about the story to come up with the title) is similar to CT's storyline and I had even put that on the Trivia when I made the page on the wikia.

And after that he asked Celica to heal Nu using magic. Did Ragna think that Nu is a tsundere? She is a Yandere! If you want her to change you need to get to the core of her problem and fix/destroy it.

Pretty much saying, Ragna needs to do something similar to what Makoto, Noel and Jin did for Tsubaki.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Shinhwa

[Toxin45]

I already mentioned several times that the Story of the World (btw this isn't even the official name. I just used what Rachel said about the story to come up with the title) is similar to CT's storyline and I had even put that on the Trivia when I made the page on the wikia.

Pretty much saying, Ragna needs to do something similar to what Makoto, Noel and Jin did for Tsubaki.

You mean reason with Nu? That could work but knowing Nu it's not gonna be that simple.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

You mean reason with Nu? That could work but know Nu it's not gonna be that simple.

Obviously it won't be simple considering if you compare Nu's suffering vs. Tsubaki's suffering, Nu's is more longer term and more cruel and the fact is that Nu has been tempered with by Hazama and Relius in negative ways that I have no idea whether the tempering goes far into the Soul or if it is only the Body that has received it.

[Luminos564]

Pretty much saying, Ragna needs to do something similar to what Makoto, Noel and Jin did for Tsubaki.

Give her a coga-line beating? Not that I would mind seeing it again, but Ragna gave her a sound thrashing this time and it did nothing. Maybe Kokonuts had the right idea: rip apart the soul and toss it in a hollow husk. That said, there is no mention of her anywhere in the epilogue, yes? Everyone's really out to get Ragna's guts, Tsubaki in particular.

[Toxin45]

Obviously it won't be simple considering if you compare Nu's suffering vs. Tsubaki's suffering, Nu's is more longer term and more cruel and the fact is that Nu has been tempered with by Hazama and Relius in negative ways that I have no idea whether the tempering goes far into the Soul or if it is only the Body that has received it.

Yeah but what about Jin and Tsubaki?Will they join forces to stop Ragna from dying from lack of seither and Jin telling Tsubaki his origins?

Also How many time Nu was tempered.

Edited February 9, 2014 by Toxin45

[Luminos564]

Yeah but what about Jin and Tsubaki? Will they join forces to stop Ragna from dying of diase and Jin telling Tsubaki his signori?

They're being assigned a more important task by Rachel. Chiefly: killing Ragna before he dies a "natural" death otherwise a vaguely, never-before-mentioned "evil" will escape and kill the world. If they don't make it in time, Tsubaki has a back-up task of killing Rachel instead in order to stop it. Nu-13 is likely NOT on their priority targets list.

[Toxin45]

They're being assigned a more important task by Rachel. Chiefly: killing Ragna before he dies a "natural" death otherwise a vaguely, never-before-mentioned "evil" will escape and kill the world. If they don't make it in time, Tsubaki has a back-up task of killing Rachel instead in order to stop it. Nu-13 is likely NOT on their priority targets list.

Okay I mean will Jin tell Tsubaki his origins?

[Owner]

Okay I mean will Jin tell Tsubaki his origins?

"Oh by the way I'm an artificial being and probably sterile."

Joke aside, I don't think he will tell her. Jin is not the type of guy who talks much about himself.

But he is probably very satisfied with the task to kill Ragna. Which will lead to Tsubaki seeing him going into his "Nii-san" mode.

I am curious what she will think about him afterwards.

[Luminos564]

Okay I mean will Jin tell Tsubaki his origins?

If by origins you mean him being Ragna's psychotic baby bro; it depends. Would that ultimately have any impact on their assigned "mission" of killing Rags? Would it change anything? I sincerely doubt Tsubaki would even care considering how far she was willing to go for Jin-niisama. But if you ask me, it's a 50-50 toss-up whether he will tell her or not, provided someone else doesn't do it for him.

[Toxin45]

If by origins you mean him being Ragna's psychotic baby bro; it depends. Would that ultimately have any impact on their assigned "mission" of killing Rags? Would it change anything? I sincerely doubt Tsubaki would even care considering how far she was willing to go for Jin-niisama. But if you ask me, it's a 50-50 toss-up whether he will tell her or not, provided someone else doesn't do it for him.

Although He seems to be growing out of it unless Arcworks wants to joke about it again for the fans =_=

[BlackYakuzu94]

That's basically set in stone dude, that is like the prime running gag.

I wonder if Tsubaki will be torn on Ragna; over the beast that he's become, or the man that he is. Especially since I know Noel is gonna plead Ragna's case for obvious reasons, and the likes if Makoto, Kagura, etc have seen the kindness he's capable of.

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[Shinhwa]

Tsubaki already seen Jin in his "Nii-san!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" mode.

In Jin's Gag Reel on Episode 3 =w=;

Ok jokes aside, Tsubaki may go like "My Jin Nii-sama isn't like this!!!" Or see his charisma break lol

[Luminos564]

I wonder if Tsubaki will be torn on Ragna; over the beast that he's become, or the man that he is. Especially since I know Noel is gonna plead Ragna's case for obvious reasons, and the likes if Makoto, Kagura, etc have seen the kindness he's capable of.

Outside of Makoto (whom I don't recall spending much quality time with him), both Noel and Kagura would have to REALLY push a solid case here. Though I am not entirely convinced Kagura's got the "bro" status with Ragna. Sure, Bang and Taokaka are kinda his "bros" as of CP but it doesn't matter since nobody's gonna take them seriously, let alone Tsubaki. Kagura strikes me more as someone who, when push comes to shove, would still aim at Ragna's neck if he proves to be a threat. So that only leaves Noel to build a case.

But maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps Rachel can shed some light to Tsubaki. Course, Rachel's praise is often layered thick with insults too. Maybe just get Haku-errr...yeah Rags, your fate's looking all the more grisly by the minute.

[Toxin45]

Outside of Makoto (whom I don't recall spending much quality time with him), both Noel and Kagura would have to REALLY push a solid case here. Though I am not entirely convinced Kagura's got the "bro" status with Ragna. Sure, Bang and Taokaka are kinda his "bros" as of CP but it doesn't matter since nobody's gonna take them seriously, let alone Tsubaki. Kagura strikes me more as someone who, when push comes to shove, would still aim at Ragna's neck if he proves to be a threat. So that only leaves Noel to build a case.

But maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps Rachel can shed some light to Tsubaki. Course, Rachel's praise is often layered thick with insults too. Maybe just get Haku-errr...yeah Rags, your fate's looking all the more grisly by the minute.

Banv stops being a joke dude.

[BlackYakuzu94]

I dunno, Kagura was the only one who didn't think Ragna was dead; I don't think he'd try to stop Tsubaki, but give her some insight.

Rachel strikes me as someone who wouldn't let her personal feelings get in the way of what needs to be done; She undoubtedly cares about Ragna, but if he's gotta die, she wouldn't hesitate. Hah, Ragna really is in Noel's position.

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