I may not be a particularly good Ragna player, but Ragna 5D is awful. As said up there, terrible recovery, no good options post 5D, slow, no real mixup options after hit, stops any form of pressure. At best, it resets to neutral, at worst Carl can punish. I'm sitting here trying to understand you and I genuinely do not understand how 5D is a good tool for Ragna in the Carl/Ragna matchup. There are so many better ways for him to harass Ada health than 5D if that is what he is trying to do. Maybe I'm just missing something here, I don't know.