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You should be able to omit the sweep D.Garu just do 2A 5B. Would lose some damage, but still serve as an easier confirm if you don't want to do [9~2] Garu loops Oh also for this combo you need to jump cancel backwards in the corner to make space for 2A 5B

Haha it really is a rather dumb matchup, the first hit basically decides the round Its funny how playing Liz doesn't teach you how to react to her mixups, Chie and Yu players would probably say the same...but once you get hang of it its not so bad, kinda fun actually I still think its worth it to have an alt though, not just for Mitsuru but against a player who has alot of experience against Liz and knows her gimmicks, its really hard to get anything started, so...might as well

5B (slight pause) 2B also works pretty well, if you do a long enough combo Like something into B.Bufu 2C 5CC 2C SB.Zio 5B, if holding tech they'll tech immediately after 5B and get hit by delayed 2B...and it looks less like a reset than 5A 2B/B.Bufu =p

Haha 8k And good job on your first match! The teams I played were also surprisingly getting hit by crappy Liz mixups, it really is a matchup that's important to know (but don't tell anyone that)

Good to meet you Elochai Hope we can get more games in next time =)

Here is a vid of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lskx4hqQ6L8&t=4m35s

Well if you can do it without the shortcut then just do it that way...

input 214ABC, 214C like you were doing a cancel. The timing is very easy

Are you sure that combo works? When I tried doing 3 D.Garu from FC 5D before it starts to yellow beat towards the end

Not that command throw lol, FC 5B FC 5D you can only do 2 D.Garu loops

you don't really need to be close, you can dash up 5B sweep from around 2/3 screen away. Also:

use 5B sweep combo instead

Wow, its like Dante's bold cancel buffers. That made it soooo much more consistent to hit, awesome find! ...or maybe all the JP players are already using it, as I was wondering how Liz players were confident enough to hit the combo to Concentrate all their health away, lol

With 5CC starter you can add another A.Bufu before j.C at the end of that for like 3.5k. This combo also seems optimal for air hit or CH 5CC when the opponent is too far for 2C. Also of note you have to do a microdash before IAD if the opponent is too far for j.B to hit properly, and it becomes quite hard...

Thinking on the IK setup...could you possibly drop Mahamaon after a blocked SB.Agi from fullscreen and still be +? Like say after Shuffle Time or bursting

very cool, are those SB.Garu necessary for the sideswitch unless you get CH 5D? Also for the SP totals I guess you are counting the first combo to setup as 75, and the meter cooldown should be over after Mahamaon > sweep, so you should be able to build a little before landing the next mixup into IK...else 125-150 SP cost (if you used SB.Garu in the setup combo) seems steep for Liz since she can kill in 2 combos with that much meter anyways

...or you do dash up 5B sweep D.Garu combo right as Thanatos throws, its higher damage than the jump back j.A/j.B anyways. Spacing for 5B is being about as close to Thanatos as if you were doing a 5D from the round start position, which is easily practice-able in training mode, you can get it from closer as well. Of course if you're getting the 5D from completely fullscreen, like after B.Bufu j.C ender and then fullscreen pressure, you'd only be able to do the air confirm...

Watching alot of Damosu's play (seems to be the Liz with the most tricks), he seems to be doing alot of 5CC (whiff first hit) after B.Bufu in Thanatos midscreen combos, it works when there isn't too many moves before it, such as off air hits confirms or CH 5CC and such...and then instead of doing j.C ender, going for what seems to be a 2C air reset after the second B.Bufu, examples: (1) (2) (3) This really doesn't seem to be very effective though since you can just hold tech and block 2C, or am I missing something? Another possibility is that he's going for whiffing both hits of 5CC and getting a gimmicky backturn mixup, like this which looks really awesome

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