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TvTropes is not a reliable source nor in the first place you should be relying on the official sources and not places where people can edit the information................... Only Ragna.

*FACEPALM*.................................. Noel, Lambda and Nu were indeed their own persons. It's just that for Noel, she just had too much identical factors to Saya and also that she is an important figure for changing the world. Kagura knows something behind the Trio but it is not revealed what he knows about them, and until CP, other than her looking 99% same in personality and features to Saya, we never thought she could be Saya herself. There are many theories that can pertain to Noel = Saya, but right now we lack information. Only thing we know for sure are: Noel has 99% same identical features to Saya in personality, looks. Noel called Ragna her "brother" (Episode 12 and 16) Noel had mentioned that Terumi was the one who broke her mind and took away her family (Nu mentioned this but through synchronization with Noel, where it was as if Nu was Noel herself in a way as she had gotten access to all her memories and such), which shows that Noel may have remembered all the past as "Saya". The way Izanami says "You cannot save me forever" doesn't really seem to pertain to Saya herself though as she spoke as Izanami, not Saya, where the only thing "Saya's Voice" said was that "Brother is rejecting me again". This is why things are confusing, as it is as if there are two Sayas in the world, where we will have to wait why it's like this in the next game. Can't really say it is a crack theory as right now we have no other explanation of why Noel is acting like Saya by calling Ragna her brother and actually having memories of Saya's past in details (The past after the Tragedy happened on Celica and the Siblings). Well as you just said, Izanami never pointed out to the "soul", but the "vessel" itself, which is pretty much the body, and as I have said before, if the theory with Lambda is true, then same can apply for Saya too, where memories remain in the vessel/body even without the soul. .......................... Stop right there.............

Actually, it's not really a "long time" as Terumi's attack took place in AD 2192 while Noel was created 2194, but as for Nu to Lambda, that was done scientifically, but for Saya moving into Noel, it is possible she did it on her own somehow, but who knows. It has become fact that the possibility that Noel is Saya but the method is unknown and since it wasn't done by someone else (it is possible someone who was part of the process may have done it secretly for some reason but who knows), only other method would be that she somehow did it herself. Like what? you aren't making sense....

Your point? How many times do we have to stuff in your head? MASTER UNIT WAS NOT AMATERASU DURING XBLAZE.

Poor Bang 8D

Noel/Mu was still tempered kind of, but it was half complete due to Take-Mikazuchi's attack, so her smelting was not finished. Breast size thing was just an extra =w= Huh...? The Story Mode showed that only Kokonoe was in front of Lambda who had awakened then when Lambda awakened (Well Nu), she went into a total pain by remembering the experiment that was done to Lambda, then Kokonoe yelled out to her that is not her memories, but Nu just went on and on being "HATE HATE HATE", where Kokonoe was forced to totally erase Lambda's memories. The thing is though, according to the story that Rachel said, Amaterasu did finish the story several times but due to it ending unsatisfactory, she had erased the story and re-wrote it again several times. Even Izanami and Terumi had said that the "time loop" or the "shitty dream" had gone for several times. So this really brings up the question from When to When did the time loop take place so many times if it was not the Time Loop from AD 2100 to 2199 (CT timeline). And well yeah, Nu's affections towards Ragna does come from Saya =w=;

I just realized Arc System is stopping Blazblue character birthday illustrations for a while o_o;

So... does this mean the "Story" that Amaterasu wrote was the timeline between AD 2100 to 2199 that went on for like 750 times? Unless there were occurrences included where the "Actors" did break the time loop like how we know from CT to CP but they failed to break through the permanent ending and always ended up "Killing the Girl who is the monster". However this can't be true as even Rachel stated that she had never seen before an event where the Time loop between AD 2100 to 2199 was broken, where the True Ending in CT was the first occurrence Also as for Saya, to my knowledge, which I have stated already several times in pages back, Ragna had seen Saya acting not her usual self one day, but because he couldn't really tell that much, he ignored it, which however triggered the tragedy that fell on Celica and Ragna, where Saya gave Yukianesa to Jin, who used it to destroy the barrier that was around the church, which let Terumi enter the area then kill Celica, then take Saya and Jin. As for the anime, the scene where Noel suddenly felt intense pain after seeing Izanami adds to the theory that Noel could be Saya, but the fact we can't get off is that Ragna, Jin and even Rachel still designates Izanami as "Saya" (Rachel designates her as Ragna's sister), although it is possible the feat that Saya had done to herself where she transferred her soul to Noel/Mu-12's vessel was something not even Rachel knew, but it is also possible Rachel already knows but is hiding this fact, as it is a fact that Rachel had brought herself towards Noel in the past and helped her too, also the fact Noel is among the trio who is known to have the power to change the world, as seen by Jubei and Rachel's statements. As for Ragna and Jin not realizing Celica = Sister, it is a fact as Celica that they right now know is like 15~16 years old or something while the Sister they knew was an old granny. They did get vibes of familiarity from Celica being the Sister but they still haven't been able to get any confirmation that Celica = Sister. This is weird as they lived together in that church for a long time, but..... THEY NEVER KNEW HER NAME?! o_O Well they were children and a sister is always called a Sister in the church and not by their name usually, especially when she is a high figure, so it is understandable. If they ask Jubei about it (who had saved them and took them to Celica's church), the answer would come right away, but considering they never had any chance to meet each other in CP at all (excluding Jin training with Jubei before he even met Celica), it is understandable, but in the next game, I am sure the answer will come out to them. Also, I have analyzed through re-watching the Story Modes and other factors regarding Saya, and here is the fact: Noel = Had received nearly every features that Saya had in the past: 1. Saya was a shy girl. Noel was also a shy girl 2. Saya was a terrible cook. Noel is also a terrible cook (ASTRAL FINISH!) 3. Saya was blonde, had green eyes (just like past Ragna and Jin) = Except for some reason in the anime, Ragna had stated that their eye colors are different. The color tone may have been different. Also, for Noel showing personality features that Saya had: 1. Noel showed close familiarity to Ragna and even stated she feels like he is her family member (Even in the anime it is shown that Noel had stated that Ragna was someone who ran off on his own all the time). 2. Noel felt familiarity from Celica, being the Sister that took care of Ragna, Saya and Jin 3. Ragna stated that the way Noel talks and acts is identical to how Saya was in the past Pretty much saying, Noel had inherited nearly all features that Saya had. The only factor we can say for now is that "Saya's Memories" is currently sealed but is starting to awaken, which means if Noel were to awaken Saya's memories and such fully, she would pretty much turn 100% Saya. As for the other clone, Nu, despite being Saya's clone, only thing she had received was fragments of Saya's memories that were really vague and only knew that Ragna was there (also Jin but he was really really vague to the point unlike Ragna, Jin's name wasn't even remembered within that memory). Personality = not inherited Body features = not inherited excluding facial features, and Nu's breasts are bigger. Hair color, eye color and hair style was not inherited. Memories = Only memories she received was of Ragna pretty much but even then it was too vague to tell whether Ragna was the original's brother or anything like that, and unlike Noel who felt familiarity and family-like feelings from Ragna, Nu doesn't have any of such things. Only received memories that Ragna was a nice and kind person and had seen Jin in some memories but it was as if seeing some stranger in a photograph. Also, during CP it is revealed that: Izanami, who has Saya's vessel, does not attack Celica despite being able to do so. Since Saya and Izanami mixed too much, the feelings got mixed vaguely that she unknowingly doesn't attack Celica also the fact Saya's vessel longs for Ragna, which seems to be why Izanami did not attack Ragna during CS's True Ending, where even Izanami states that because at the time they did not fuse properly yet, the vessel's feelings are getting in the way. As stated above, Noel somewhat remembers the Sister that took care of the siblings, but as Saya's memories was still sealed at the time, she didn't really get what that memory was but had felt some confidence from Celica just like how Ragna and Jin felt it from her. However, Nu does not have any of such things and actually attacks Celica (although this was because she was normally supposed to kill Noel but Celica tried to cover Noel) and shows hostility towards her during Episode 18. Pretty much saying = Nu is just a clone who had received a few fragments of Saya's past memories and that's it. Rest are her own soul and memories and features. She does not share any personalities or much features from Saya except her face and the small fragments of memories. The thing that needs to be cleared up is if Saya is existing as a Double (one side in the original vessel, controlled by Izanami, and other side being in Noel), or if Saya's vessel just has memories remaining in it even though Saya's soul itself had left the body to go into Noel/Mu-12's body. The theory about Saya's vessel still having memories and feelings remaining in her is backed up by Lambda's Story Mode from CS, where despite Lambda's soul having died, when Nu's soul goes into the body and awakens, Lambda's memories had remained within the body that Nu thought those were her memories and acted as if she was really Lambda and felt pain from those memories where Kokonoe had stated that those are not her memories, but because it was too unstable, she was left no choice to erase Lambda's entire memories as it was being mixed with Nu's soul and memories too much. Also because Nu's soul was able to go into Lambda's body, it also means that same can happen for Saya's soul going into Noel/Mu-12's body. Even Relius had stated that their vessel is the same, which probably points to the fact they all originated from the same place: Saya.

Thank you very much!!! :D

Same here lol XD

I think you are the only one XP

There is something I am confused about. It is known that in CT, Takahamagara was responsible for creating time loops between AD 2100 and AD 2199 every time Ragna fused with Nu after falling in the cauldron. So this brings up the question: Just during which time period did Master Unit Amaterasu create time loops???

Just a guess.

If I had to rank #1~3 for BBCP songs, it would be: 1. Childish Killer II 2. Awakening the Chaos II 3. SIX-HEROES

Not necessarily really.

Nu-13 Birthday Illustration by Kuro Yuzu Source: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=40646030 Nu-13 Birthday Illustration by Uzukinoko [NSFW] Source: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=40624463 Ragna, Jin and Nu Happy New Year Illustration by Uzukinoko Source: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=40652800 Lambda-11 Happy New Year Illustration by Yuya (Visor Lambda version available on source) Source: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=40662285

Yeah, before I barely listened to Lust Sin, but after listening to Lust SIN II, it became way more badass that I listen to it a lot XD Awakening the Chaos, I still prefer original over other remixes kind of but II really gives more representation of what kind of person Nu is. Forgot about Plastic Night II. Way better to the original. It really does give those "last boss" or "villain" kind of vibe and love the Opening yeah. Under Heaven Destruction II................ At first I was like hmmm... it's kind of ok... but when I compared to the original, I didn't like how it went violin and too fast paced. I love SIX-HEROES theme a lot. But for some reason, when I listen to it, it reminds me more of Hazama's Arcade Mode when he faces against Platinum and especially the animation when Platinum is on stand-by. Oriental Flower and Weak Executioner, first time I heard it, I fast forwarded then skipped it. =W=;

Yeah, as I said, considering the dialogue texts in Episode 10 differentiated the Girl by using brackets for the Girl (Monster), yeah they are different people. If I think about it, yeah the "Book" could pertain to the power to create time loops and dimensional interferences and influences and such. The Monster that consumes the entire world... yeah I forgot about that part... But if that's the case, then the [Girl] pertains more to Nu in a way as the only girl in the entire Blazblue universe who actually becomes a Monster who consumes the entire world is Nu. Rachel said "about 100 pages" in a way, not over 100 pages XP;; But I guess it's the same thing lol But there is something I am confused about. Rachel said that the story also pertains to Chronophantasma (including herself), but just what part of the story she told Ragna and the others actually pertained to Chronophantasma? Another thing is how Amaterasu had relied on her memories to create the story, which brings up the question if the world was actually normal and there weren't any Actors, but after she became imprisoned and was given the "Book", the people/actors she had written down were all actually previously real people that had lived in the world that she had lived alongside with or something. But the thing is how the Hero never saves the [Girl]. He only defeats the [Girl] and earns the title of HERO and that's it. This is similar to how Six Heroes went defeating the Black Beast and earning the name Six Heroes, while Ragna himself had earned the nickname "Yuusha" from Celica. I doubt this means Jin would become the [Hero] because when he was trying to free Tsubaki from Izanami's Mind Eater, he told her that he won't "save" her, which kind of makes you think back to the story where [Hero] (Eiyuu) never "saves", and only "defeats". Same goes for when Jin and Hakumen, who are "Heroes", talk about Ragna, or Black Beast (The Dark One), where they all only say "The Dark One must be defeated". Even the story says that "It's obvious that the Monster needs to be defeated". Noel choosing the "Hero"... I don't think that's really the case. But it is a possibility.

I don't even listen to Memory of Tears or Marionette Purple anymore XD For Bullet Dance, I prefer Original > Anime Version > BBCP Version XP The removal of the opening theme for Sword of Doom II that existed in the first one kind of made it bad for me

For me it's CHRONOPHANTASMA Rebellion II (I like the original version compared to this one though) Lust SIN II (Better compared to original version for me) Alexandrite II (More rocky and epic compared to the original) Justice Sword Black aggression Childish Killer II (Improved a lot compared to original version. Gives more dramatic feeling, especially in Episode 14) SIX-HEROES maleficus Nemesis Horizon Awakening the Chaos II (Gives more representation of how Nu is, especially with the childrens' vocal) Bullet Dance II and Sword of Doom II became terrible compared to their original version for me =_=;; Even anime version of Bullet Dance (Rivalry Rondo) is way better compared to Bullet Dance II.

The weird thing is how Amaterasu's situation is nearly identical to how Nu was when she was all alone in the Boundary calling out for Ragna, although this is based on the story that Rachel told Noel, Celica and Ragna in Episode 10. The description was that: Amaterasu = A girl who is the Writer of the Story of a book who wants her story to go how she wants, but the beginning and the end is already made and is permanent that it cannot be avoided. Has created several time loops to rewrite the story. Beginning: There was a girl imprisoned by a monster. End: A Hero appeared and defeated the monster. The End. The story between the Beginning and the End was made in many different ways but the end was always the same, hence why Amaterasu made so many time loops in trying to somehow dodge the permanent ending that was already set up. The thing is how Rachel had said "Shoujo (The Girl)" without differentiating them except for the text dialogues having brackets around them, where the "Girl" that was the writer did not have brackets and the Girl in the story did have brackets, so in one way you could think the Girl in the Story who is also the monster and the Writer Girl is the same individual, but considering the brackets did differentiate them, they are different individuals. The only question is in the Blazblue universe, who is the Girl that is also a monster? Who is also the "Hero" that comes to slay that girl (monster)? I stated this before, but the strange thing is how "The Girl who is actually a monster" is similar to how Nu is inside the Black Beast when she becomes its heart, although she isn't really a "monster", until she becomes a Black Beast by fusing with Ragna. But the contradiction is that Ragna is not a "Hero (Eiyuu)" or doesn't become one even if he kills Nu (well he kind of does get called a Hero by Jubei and other Six Heroes in a way, but Celica calls him a Yuusha). But the thing about the story was that "The Hero does not try to save the Girl (Monster). He only defeats it", which is identical to how Ragna went on a killing spree on the Prime Fields, where instead of trying to save them from pain and despair, he killed them instead. But another way you can see the "Girl who is actually a monster" in the Blazblue universe can also be Saya in Izanami, as Izanami herself is a monster pretty much, also the fact Saya is pretty much a hostage or a captured being whose body is being used by Izanami, and that Izanami said herself in Episode 18 at the end "You cannot save me. Forever", which brings up the question why she suddenly states being "saved". One way this can be seen is that Izanami is the embodiment of the "Girl" who was not saved at the end of the Story that Amaterasu wrote several times, where she could be the fusion of the deaths of the "Girl" in previous time loops. But the thing that doesn't make sense about this theory is that Izanami is speculated to have existed before Amaterasu even came to being (as in before Master Unit started being called Amaterasu, which is during the events of XBLAZE), as also seen by Sechs talking to someone in a crystal, which is speculated to be Izanami. However this theory can be true if: 1. Es is not Master Unit Amaterasu nor does she become it 2. The Story that Amaterasu writes extends to the events of XBLAZE and even more back in the past before it (The time when Priestess of the Azure existed).

Fact is that Izanami didn't seem to have any physical form until Saya became her vessel, but it is possible she had another vessel during the timeline between XBLAZE and Phase Shift. If Sechs truly did talk to Izanami, it means that she did exist somewhere during the events of XBLAZE, although it is possible she stayed as a spirit form or had another vessel.

Better than the previous two during 2012 and 2011 @w@;

Have to wait till Arc System Works releases a sequel to XBLAZE Pretty much. If they are making a sequel, I hope they cover the 50 years between XBLAZE and Phase Shift.

Don't put in spoilers.