AC: Basic and Situational Combos

[Digital Watches]

IAD bomber is sexier than IAD j.D bomber.

Yeah, but much less universal and for not that much extra payout.

[Digital Watches]

Continuing list: The May variant works on Anji and Faust. It also works on Slayer, but the timing is extremely tight and it only does 1 extra damage over the listed variant. Also, I can get the Dizzy variant to knock down now. With the exception of Dizzy, the May variant is the most damaging I can find so far on characters it works on. Eddie is Ky variant. EDIT: Pot is in the same club as slayer. May Variant for added difficulty and one extra damage. Otherwise do Zappa variant.

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Update: The Slayer/Zappa/Pot variant works on Axl too. 276 damage. Jam is now the only one the previous combo is optimal on. Venom is Ky/Eddie variant.

[bbq sauce]

For the rensen frc >> IAD j.D, do you have to prime the IAD or can it be done on reaction to the FRC?

[Beowulf]

You should be able to do it on reaction. However, an IAD after rensen is usually once you connected a hit before the rensen. So you know you will FRC and IAD after. ^^ Stand alone rensen FRC is inadequate in a game, as even if he gets dizzy, you can push him into the corner and start a combo with TK Bomber (see DW's powerful combos some pages behind ^^) If you pressure with rensen FRC, you won't IAD-> j.D after, as you are quite sure he'll be blocking. (at best IAD->j.HS instead...) Still, stuff like 2+P (blocked)-> Rensen FRC (hit) may work as there's a small gap between and if you Rashousen'ed before, he may want to escape earlier... Anyway, the rensen hits make the opponent unable to tech, so you have until he lands to react and IAD-> whatever... And that's plenty of time ^^ EDIT : A useless combo. Requires 100% tension and op in corner after 3rd 2+HS : 2+HS->FRC x3->2+P (2 hits)-> rensen FRC-> Raieisageki S-> Meaty rashousen. Doesn't make more damage than a dust combo... Yeah, useless... But you do learn that FRC ^^

[bbq sauce]

I was just talkin about for the corner loop, I didn't think it would be necessary to type the the beginning of the combo.. sorry i didn't specify. Thanks.

[Digital Watches]

Well, while it's true that most combos are not going to start with Rensen FRC, getting the occasional standalone Rensen works for punishing things (Especially stuff that's fast and has selective invincibility, like upper body or feet only), since it's a projectile, especially if you can do running rensen FRC, and it's as good a way as any to start a combo. Harder to hitconfirm, though.

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Bridget Variant: TKB --> c.S, j.D, Bomber --> (j.H, j.D, Bomber) x 2 rensen, 2. (273 damage) Testament Variant: TKB --> c.S, j.H, j.D, Bomber --> j.H, j.D, Bomber --> 2S, j.H, j.D, Bomber, rensen, 2 (Something in the 260-270 range, I forget)

[Beowulf]

For the TK Bomber specific you made that start with "c.S", doing "6+K" instead gives better damage. It's harder to do, but it works (just like in reload ^^) Well, only 1 PV at the end... But it's still more ^^ (the "2" does 1 more hit) Tried on Slayer for the moment only.

[Digital Watches]

I played with that a little, but for the most part it doesn't seem worth it. If it works on some characters, that's fine, but it will push them farther out most of the time, making good combos not work. That... and I can't see how it does extra damage. I just got 252 (same damage) from the Slayer version, and it seems to only be because it somehow caused the rensen followup to connect with more hits, but the move itself does less than c.S, and neither prorates...

[Beowulf]

adding the fact that if you miss the first part of the combo (like after the 2nd rep) you get less damage... On light characters it may still be worth it (like bridget ?)

[Digital Watches]

Man do I hate Order Sol. I only pulled this off once, but... TKB --> c.S, j.D, Bomber --> (j.D, Bomber) x 2 --> TKB, Rensen (242).

[Digital Watches]

adding the fact that if you miss the first part of the combo (like after the 2nd rep) you get less damage...

On light characters it may still be worth it (like bridget ?)

Eh, I definitely can't get the bridget variant after a 6K.

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Revised Faust Variant: TKB --> c.S, j.H, j.D, Bomber --> (j.D, Bomber) x 2) --> 2S, j.D, Bomber, Rensen, 2 (270. 1 Whole extra damage from the may variant. YAY!)

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Chipp = HOS

[Silmerion]

So! I got silly last night and decided to try and max out possible damage on Axl's BnB KD combo without sacrificing character universality. The combo I came up with was: Anything into Rensen FRC (I used, 5K, 2D, Rensen), run up, 5H, Benten H (both hits), Bomber. Does 145 damage on Sol, a whopping four more points than the standard 6K, 2S variant. You can thank me later.

[Digital Watches]

Doesn't knock down against: Bridget, May, Baiken, Jam. Meanwhile: 5K, 2D, Rensen (FRC), IAD j.H, c.S, 2S (2), Benten --> Bomber followup does 158 and knocks down v. Sol and works on probably the same characters (Against millia and dizzy, omit c.S). (5K, 2D, Rensen (FRC), run 6H, 5K, 2S (2), Benten --> Bomber followup does 157) This is all with 3-hit rensens. Against those four, you kinda have to be drastic, something like 5K, 2D, Rensen (FRC), Run up benten --> Bomber followup. You can replace this with 1- or 2-hit rensen setups. The rule seems to be that after hit 8 for these four, the benten-bomber is techable, so if the bomber is the ninth hit, they get out.

[Silmerion]

Doesn't knock down against: Bridget, May, Baiken, Jam.

Meanwhile: 5K, 2D, Rensen (FRC), IAD j.H, c.S, 2S (2), Benten --> er followup does 158 and knocks down v. Sol and works on probably the same characters (Against millia and dizzy, omit c.S). (5K, 2D, Rensen (FRC), run 6H, 5K, 2S (2), Benten --> er followup does 157) This is all with 3-hit rensens.

Against those four, you kinda have to be drastic, something like 5K, 2D, Rensen (FRC), Run up benten --> er followup. You can replace this with 1- or 2-hit rensen setups. The rule seems to be that after hit 8 for these four, the benten-bomber is techable, so if the er is the ninth hit, they get out.

It DOES knock down against those first four. You gotta mess with the 5H timing a little--had trouble with it myself.

You own me on the rest, though.

[Digital Watches]

It DOES knock down against those first four. You gotta mess with the 5H timing a little--had trouble with it myself.

You own me on the rest, though.

5H timing varies on everyone for that combo. What really matters is how many hits rensen does. I'm telling you, H Benten-->Bomber will not knock those four down after 9 hits. You can also solve the problem by having a shorter pre-rensen string, such as just sweep or just 5H.

[Silmerion]

5H timing varies on everyone for that combo. What really matters is how many hits rensen does. I'm telling you, H Benten-->Bomber will not knock those four down after 9 hits. You can also solve the problem by having a shorter pre-rensen string, such as just sweep or just 5H.

I'm really tempted to just drop the subject, but I swear to you that I got the KD on those four in practice mode, teching on.

Really. Seriously, though, your combos beat mine. I'm not sure why you're arguing the point.

[Digital Watches]

I'm really tempted to just drop the subject, but I swear to you that I got the KD on those four in practice mode, teching on.

Really. Seriously, though, your combos beat mine. I'm not sure why you're arguing the point.

Well. It's just important to stress that those four characters need to be under 9 hits for the knockdown off that move, but if I'm wrong, I'd like to know.

So I just want to know:

1: When you had teching on, was it set to Forward, Back, or Neutral?

2: Did the combo counter go over 8 before getting the knockdown?

[Silmerion]

Well. It's just important to stress that those four characters need to be under 9 hits for the knockdown off that move, but if I'm wrong, I'd like to know.

So I just want to know:

1: When you had teching on, was it set to Forward, Back, or Neutral?

2: Did the combo counter go over 8 before getting the knockdown?

Oh...

Wait...

Crap. I was completely not paying attention. You're right in it not working over 9 hits. Pff...I'm really tired right now.

For the record, though...

1: Neutral

2: No, which seems to be my error.

[Digital Watches]

Oh...

Wait...

Crap. I was completely not paying attention. You're right in it not working over 9 hits. Pff...I'm really tired right now.

For the record, though...

1: Neutral

2: No, which seems to be my error.

Okay, cool.

One more thing: Forward and Back teching are allowed one or two frames before neutral tech is, so a knockdown may not work if you're testing it on neutral. Meanwhile, I think the 5H combo is definitely a good alternative for these four light characters, assuming you get a 2-or-less hit rensen or one hit pre-rensen as a string.

[Silmerion]

Okay, cool.

One more thing: Forward and Back teching are allowed one or two frames before neutral tech is, so a knockdown may not work if you're testing it on neutral.

Oh. Noted.

I feel pwned now. I need to go eat some ice cream.:8/:

[Digital Watches]

Oh. Noted.

I feel pwned now. I need to go eat some ice cream.:8/:

Don't worry about it, this is a collaboration, not a competition.

Feeling pwned can wait until we have a match !