[CT] Iron Tager General Discussion

[DoomieJ]

Yeah i must have shot it when he took his first hop. I was just suprised since it spanks rachels lightning rods that it was eaten up by it. Oh well.

[AlmightyGnat]

... Carl's Gear super...

This does not stop the bolt. Noel's 236236d super, however, does.

[Osuna]

Litchi's punchy staff thing absorbs it too. I was pretty sure I'd been shooting Jin through his ex ice projectile, maybe I was hitting him before it came out.

[bjholmes2]

If you have any questions regarding Tager, feel free to ask away.

[LoneStar]

I just came up with 2 spark bolt related questions 1.what happens when two tagers fire spark bolt at the exact same time(or close to it)? 2.How Much damage does the spark bolt actually do?

[Osuna]

I just came up with 2 spark bolt related questions

1.what happens when two tagers fire spark bolt at the exact same time(or close to it)?

2.How Much damage does the spark bolt actually do?

1. They cancel out,. 2. iunno check frame data.

[Pervert_Q]

sledge if regular hit or block. a,a,b,c,d, B sledge, a, a, B tager buster, stand B ( if they tech atomic collider, if not, c,d) if atomic collider, F+C, D, attempt reset if theyre dumb enough to tech. blah blah blah if counterhit, 2b, 1C, ac, 6+C, D. (if spark bolt charged, do 6+C spark bolt, 1C, flick atomic collider without holding it, buffer 720, most people generally tech that) DICOURAGING SOVIET DAMAGE ! if your opponents feeling smarmy and tries to smack you while your vacuuming them down for the 720, just back dash, then 720

[Osuna]

Since you can mess up a throw tech, does that means you can throw someone before they are out of block/ stun if you sense they are trying to reversal or tech wrong out of a coming gap in the block string? Like, use their reversal input as a failed throw escape?

[HZMN]

Bsledge to 360B or 720 if they block, most don't tech. Bsledge > 236A RC > atomic collider > walk a few steps forward > 6C > 5D. and Bsledge > 2B > 2C > Atomic Collider > walk > 6C > 5D those are my personal faves to use. The last 2, you can try to atomic Collider after 5D to bring them back, but how they come back really depends on the player.

[Plasma]

Never actually got an answer to this before so I'll ask it here where it's easy to see. What's the limit on Sledge Hammer's super armor on projectiles, if any? Cause Jin's Ice Fang Distortion Drive goes through it and so does V.13's distortion drive with the huge sword and those are projectiles D:.

[g0th1k4]

sledge and charging both have no limit of what it can go through...but the invulnerability only lasts as long as the attack, so if it's an attack like Nu's super, you will take some, but then after ur attack has ended ull eat the rest

[Osuna]

Both of the examples he used disprove the statement that there is no limit. According to the frame data sledge, both versions, can absorb up to 2400. Charge seems to not have a limit, and 6A, which I didn't know could block projectiles, can take up to 8000, which is weird.

[MGO_Count]

If it's 5A Sledge, I just end it with the continuation (236A) If it's 5B Sledge, I either use 360B or B+C throw. If they're close, I use the 360, if they're a bit of a distance I use B+C throw. B sledge > 360B > 2C > 41236D > 236236B or B sledge > B+C > 623C > 6 > 6C > D > 412036D > C > 6A > 2C > 623C (Tap) 720C (Got the "tap magnetize" then 720 trick from Mike Z's video when he was against Noel, Mike Z you awesome man!!)

[Osuna]

If it's 5A Sledge, I just end it with the continuation (236A)

If it's 5B Sledge, I either use 360B or B+C throw. If they're close, I use the 360, if they're a bit of a distance I use B+C throw.

B sledge > 360B > 2C > 41236D > 236236B

or

B sledge > B+C > 623C > 6 > 6C > D > 412036D > C > 6A > 2C > 623C (Tap) 720C (Got the "tap magnetize" then 720 trick from Mike Z's video when he was against Noel, Mike Z you awesome man!!)

360B has the same range as B+C

[MGO_Count]

360B has the same range as B+C

True, but this is what this thread is all about "What do you do out of sledge" And that's what I do.

Sometimes a full range sledge can't reach his 360B afterwards. Unless they are magnetized.

[Catastrophy]

I wonder why it even has a value. What projectile will do 8k damage during the short duration of a 6A?

[Catastrophy]

B sledge > B+C > 623C > 6 > 6C > D > 412036D > C > 6A > 2C > 623C (Tap) 720C (Got the "tap magnetize" then 720 trick from Mike Z's video when he was against Noel, Mike Z you awesome man!!)

Can you elaborate on this trick? Tap what exactly?

[MGO_Count]

Can you elaborate on this trick? Tap what exactly?

You give your enemy a bit of a airtime. Then you just tap 623C so they would just land on the ground (instead of getting vaccumed to the throw thing). So you can guarantee your 720.

Unless they throw escape it.

[Pervert_Q]

taping AC does not give you a "free 720." Your opponent can simply poke you on their way down and go into a combo. You have to watch whats going on. If you try to pull them in and they dont poke you, well you got yourself a 720. If they do try, your best bet is to block < reversal 720> depending on what poke they used, or back dash their air to ground attempt and 720.

[MGO_Count]

taping AC does not give you a "free 720." Your opponent can simply poke you on their way down and go into a combo. You have to watch whats going on. If you try to pull them in and they dont poke you, well you got yourself a 720. If they do try, your best bet is to block < reversal 720> depending on what poke they used, or back dash their air to ground attempt and 720.

Yeah that's true, But most people online doesn't know that you can poke out.

But thnx for the info, I'll keep that in my mind.

EDIT: wait but doesn't the 720 give you invinsibility frame on startup?

I usually use the 720 before they land the ground.

And sometimes the vaccum gives the enemy a bit of a weird slant that makes you unpokable until he's Tager's Head height. But by that time, I already executed his 720.

Hmm I'm not really 100% sure, but most 100% of the people I've fought online has took the bait.

[Pervert_Q]

yea it has invincibility but if they poke you from above the attack is going to be in you by the time the invincibility is gone thus you get hit. If your a super G master you can not buffer the 720 off the AC and do it standing and go through said poke attempt

[Osuna]

I wonder why it even has a value. What projectile will do 8k damage during the short duration of a 6A?

Jin's astral heat? Does that even count? Do any astral heats count as projectiles?

[Osuna]

I'm not sure how the frame data looks when considering the magnetism accelerated falling, with the 720's 5 invulnerability frames and the collider's 19 frames of recovery. I wonder what looks like. 5 frames is not a lot, and ideally you would want them on the ground during the super flash...I think. And I remember hearing that you couldn't do a totally unbuffered standing 720 in this game, did we find another way around that?

[Pervert_Q]

you can do it in a psuedo half ass way.I worded my last post not quite right. Buffer part of it during AC and wait and slowly finish the other half, optimally pressing u/f + C right when you see their attack is about to hit you.

[Pervert_Q]

as far as I know, you can do a 720 standing but its wonky and you can't do it 3s hugo style by cancelling your jump frames. I think mikez posted something on it.