kylehyde Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 Does this mean Ragna is Act 3 Boss? Or at least it's him who seems to appear in the Act 3 Menu.
NeoStrayCat Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 More than likely, it might be foreshadowing or something, I mean, yeah, it would be a nice throwback to CT days where you can fight Unl. Ragna (broken as he was back in the day), but that's really doubtful at this point, I heard posts from the topic it might just be character specific boss fights like CP, but who knows. I mean, we'll be surprised and we'll see how Act 3 with turn around someday soon.
Yoshirocks92 Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 47 minutes ago, kylehyde said: Does this mean Ragna is Act 3 Boss? Or at least it's him who seems to appear in the Act 3 Menu. That I can't be too sure about to be honest.
Fenris Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 IF the Act III boss does indeed turn out to be Ragna, it'll probably just be him protecting something/someone. There are a few hints as to what/whom he might try to protect, but I don't think we can be too sure about that just yet. Like someone else mentioned, though, it will probably just be him in Unlimited form, but there might also be 'something else' on the horizon--something/someone unexpected that's best kept secret, probably to build hype.
Vulcan422 Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 If Unlimited Ragna is the last boss, it could also explain why there is no Unlimited Mars yet. Unlimited as a whole may be getting reworked.
Luminos564 Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, Vulcan422 said: If Unlimited Ragna is the last boss, it could also explain why there is no Unlimited Mars yet. Unlimited as a whole may be getting reworked. That, or ASW hasn't gotten around to making Nine and Izanami's Unlimited forms plus whoever they plan to/or not to add in later. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get them until console release. Story-wise, Unlimited forms were usually always restricted to Ragna, Hazama and Hakumen with the occasional Murakumo showing up here or there (this isn't counting the Arcade back in CT where Unlimited Rachel was also a thing for Nu-13) with it in tow, and most of the time, it was a for a big climactic finish. 18 minutes ago, Fenris said: IF the Act III boss does indeed turn out to be Ragna, it'll probably just be him protecting something/someone. There are a few hints as to what/whom he might try to protect, but I don't think we can be too sure about that just yet. The list of people he'd want to protect is pretty extensive...assuming he can recover his memories in time. As he is, he only vaguely recalls certain people (as is the case with Rachel) in CF. I'm more intrigued on how he'll be able to play the role of a "guardian" (as in, acquiring the amount of power needed to do the role). Powerful as he is, Ragna is still not the biggest fish in the pond.
Poultrygeist Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 I would love the last boss to be Ragna. That would be the most perfect way to end it all, like I can only think of two other fighting games where the main character was the real final boss. Plus it would be a real punch to the gut for the player.
MaximusMurkimus Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 I feel like the story ending will boil down to Ragna doing something to free True Noel and take her place in the Amaterasu unit, then have the story reset so early to a time where the Black Beast never happened and most of the characters end up living peaceful lives as a result, possibly including him, Jin and Saya. However, I remember in an interview a while back Mori said that the story will end with Noel having a happy ending, so since that kinda relies on her survival as well as her friends, I don't think anything's gonna happen to them and possibly even Ragna. Hell maybe we'll finally see that inevitable harem ending with Noel & Mu/Nu/Lambda/Saya.
Finuve Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 On 2/29/2016 at 4:58 AM, Poultrygeist said: I would love the last boss to be Ragna. That would be the most perfect way to end it all, like I can only think of two other fighting games where the main character was the real final boss. Plus it would be a real punch to the gut for the player. I doubt that would be the case, even if Ragna is the final boss of arcade mode, there will be something after for console
Yoshirocks92 Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 25 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said: I feel like the story ending will boil down to Ragna doing something to free True Noel and take her place in the Amaterasu unit, then have the story reset so early to a time where the Black Beast never happened and most of the characters end up living peaceful lives as a result, possibly including him, Jin and Saya. However, I remember in an interview a while back Mori said that the story will end with Noel having a happy ending, so since that kinda relies on her survival as well as her friends, I don't think anything's gonna happen to them and possibly even Ragna. Hell maybe we'll finally see that inevitable harem ending with Noel & Mu/Nu/Lambda/Saya. I think Mori will probably do something with Noel having a happy ending considering that she's been though a lot in the story.
sg1989 Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 3 hours ago, MaximusMurkimus said: I feel like the story ending will boil down to Ragna doing something to free True Noel and take her place in the Amaterasu unit, then have the story reset so early to a time where the Black Beast never happened and most of the characters end up living peaceful lives as a result, possibly including him, Jin and Saya. However, I remember in an interview a while back Mori said that the story will end with Noel having a happy ending, so since that kinda relies on her survival as well as her friends, I don't think anything's gonna happen to them and possibly even Ragna. Hell maybe we'll finally see that inevitable harem ending with Noel & Mu/Nu/Lambda/Saya. But with a end like that would erase the existence of noel and all murakumo, I do not think ragna want this, man, probably without the dark war the course of history of the BB world would be so different that probably most of the current cast would not exist either (yes, nothing celica who builds a church far away from civilization and living a normal life with her sister, and, probably, nothing ragna, jin and saya ... and are just two examples) And remenber, mori is a liar, i never stop to say XD PS: sorry for my bad english
kylehyde Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 Ragna being Act 3 boss to me simply means he will be standing in the way of every character who has taken Izanami's words to heart and have come to kill True Noel. OR it might be the point where Ragna finally succumbed to the Blazblue and goes all BlackBeast on everyone's ass. Ending in a cliffhanger that will continue on story mode ala Guilty Gear Xrd Sign.
Poultrygeist Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 6 hours ago, Finuve said: I doubt that would be the case, even if Ragna is the final boss of arcade mode, there will be something after for console And nothing says he can't be the final boss of that too :)
Ogiga99 Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 I think Ragna being the image is the final nail in the coffin for a single Act III boss. Consider this, if everyone is gunning for Noel then why are they going to all fight Ragna. Everyone wanting Ragna's Azure Grimoire was the plot point of Act I (and barely anyone actually found him to fight for it), so how or why is Ragna going to fight the rest of the cast. The description implies he will be doing his own thing, so I don't see him sitting down to become Noel's guardian. Furthermore, the reason we've ever been able to have unified bosses is because said boss characters waits in one place for everyone to reach them. Nu is born at the Cauldron below the NOL branch that people would go to, Hazama was waiting for everyone at the Monolith atop the NOL branch, Nine was watching everyone from the Phantom Field and was either found by others or brought them herself and Izanami either waits for people to challenge her or brings them to her in a few cases (namely Naoto). All of these characters basically sit and wait for the cast to come get them. Ragna and Noel on the other hand are off trying to do their own things. I find it impossible to believe that with them searching for things, everyone will conveniently be able to run into them as a final boss. This is the same setup as CP, with everyone trying to search for various things and running into different people as a result, so I think we are going to get the same formatting as well. Personally I would prefer that since it is more interesting and doesn't rely on the ending having the exact same dialogue each time and I believe the current CG's support this theory.
kylehyde Posted March 1, 2016 Posted March 1, 2016 56 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said: I think Ragna being the image is the final nail in the coffin for a single Act III boss. Consider this, if everyone is gunning for Noel then why are they going to all fight Ragna. Everyone wanting Ragna's Azure Grimoire was the plot point of Act I (and barely anyone actually found him to fight for it), so how or why is Ragna going to fight the rest of the cast. The description implies he will be doing his own thing, so I don't see him sitting down to become Noel's guardian. Furthermore, the reason we've ever been able to have unified bosses is because said boss characters waits in one place for everyone to reach them. Nu is born at the Cauldron below the NOL branch that people would go to, Hazama was waiting for everyone at the Monolith atop the NOL branch, Nine was watching everyone from the Phantom Field and was either found by others or brought them herself and Izanami either waits for people to challenge her or brings them to her in a few cases (namely Naoto). All of these characters basically sit and wait for the cast to come get them. Ragna and Noel on the other hand are off trying to do their own things. I find it impossible to believe that with them searching for things, everyone will conveniently be able to run into them as a final boss. This is the same setup as CP, with everyone trying to search for various things and running into different people as a result, so I think we are going to get the same formatting as well. Personally I would prefer that since it is more interesting and doesn't rely on the ending having the exact same dialogue each time and I believe the current CG's support this theory. Well I mean Ragna could beat them all to Noel and just wait for anyone coming to kill her.
Ogiga99 Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 32 minutes ago, kylehyde said: Well I mean Ragna could beat them all to Noel and just wait for anyone coming to kill her. But that would still require Ragna and Noel to both decide to wait in one place for everyone to show up. Noel clearly won't do that since she has always proven to run off in search of whatever goal she has despite people telling her to wait somewhere safe. Therefore, even if Ragna were to follow her around to protect her, the entire cast would have to find the two when they are traveling all over the place, which I have just explained how implausible it is in my previous post (and even then there is no guarantee that Noel won't run off while Ragna is fighting someone). Ragna is supposedly trying to "release the 'possibility' from the world" that is being distorted by the Central Fiction. From what I gather this "possibility" is the same thing Rachel and Amane mention, the possibility that humanity can choose a better path that will not lead to destruction. I have no idea how exactly he will release it, and therefore allow it to come true, but I highly doubt just sitting their guarding Noel is the answer. Noel is at least partially responsible for the situation he is trying to end. However what he is doing is different from the other Entitled who are trying to kill her so that they can make their own desires reality. It sounds like Ragna is supposed to take a third option aside from letting Noel infinitely reset things or kill her and create a new status quo that will eventually end up in the same situation and I simply cannot see how he can accomplish this by only guarding Noel.
kylehyde Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said: But that would still require Ragna and Noel to both decide to wait in one place for everyone to show up. Noel clearly won't do that since she has always proven to run off in search of whatever goal she has despite people telling her to wait somewhere safe. Therefore, even if Ragna were to follow her around to protect her, the entire cast would have to find the two when they are traveling all over the place, which I have just explained how implausible it is in my previous post (and even then there is no guarantee that Noel won't run off while Ragna is fighting someone). Ragna is supposedly trying to "release the 'possibility' from the world" that is being distorted by the Central Fiction. From what I gather this "possibility" is the same thing Rachel and Amane mention, the possibility that humanity can choose a better path that will not lead to destruction. I have no idea how exactly he will release it, and therefore allow it to come true, but I highly doubt just sitting their guarding Noel is the answer. Noel is at least partially responsible for the situation he is trying to end. However what he is doing is different from the other Entitled who are trying to kill her so that they can make their own desires reality. It sounds like Ragna is supposed to take a third option aside from letting Noel infinitely reset things or kill her and create a new status quo that will eventually end up in the same situation and I simply cannot see how he can accomplish this by only guarding Noel. I'm talking about Noel the True Entitled in the Amaterasu unit who is stationary in one place, not regular Noel.
Ogiga99 Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 49 minutes ago, kylehyde said: I'm talking about Noel the True Entitled in the Amaterasu unit who is stationary in one place, not regular Noel. But that's not the one that people are targeting. Act I established that playable Noel was the higher Entitled that could override other people's wishes and we've already seen that Jin will try to kill her, so if everyone is going for someone it will be her. Furthermore the Master Unit is still protected by the Tsukuyomi, which none of the characters could possibly break through, so True Noel doesn't need Ragna's protection (at least not yet).
kylehyde Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 42 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said: But that's not the one that people are targeting. Act I established that playable Noel was the higher Entitled that could override other people's wishes and we've already seen that Jin will try to kill her, so if everyone is going for someone it will be her. Furthermore the Master Unit is still protected by the Tsukuyomi, which none of the characters could possibly break through, so True Noel doesn't need Ragna's protection (at least not yet). I guess you have a point there.
Toxin45 Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 wow act III rachel is acting not like herself towards Naoto due to her connection of Raquel.
JustaMaskedFreak Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Actually, I never saw Rachel that pissed before, it is a little creepy when you try to imagine.
Luminos564 Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 6 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: Actually, I never saw Rachel that pissed before, it is a little creepy when you try to imagine. I know, is it not grand? It's almost funny how their temperaments have switched with Ragna becoming more stoic and level-headed (story-wise, since gameplay mandates the man shout like everyone in the world has gone deaf) while Rachel is becoming more and more irate, impulsive and irrational, especially towards Naoto. You could make the same argument for their power too. Rachel has been getting progressively weaker since the end of CT/beginning of CS, while Ragna has only climbed in power with the implication that by the end of CF, he'd have reached "godhood" or whatever the equivalent that is to the BB-verse. As...interesting as the idea of Ragna being the final Arcade boss of Act III sounds, I can't shake the feeling that another lovely lady will be given that honor and he be given a sort of Order Sol treatment. Of course, I have no evidence to suggest that this will happen outside of ASW's "tradition" of sorts (most of their past arcade bosses have been female, dating back to even the first GG) so don't dwell on my musing too much.
GunBlazer Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 11 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: Actually, I never saw Rachel that pissed before, it is a little creepy when you try to imagine. Where are you seeing all of this?
Ogiga99 Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 1 hour ago, GunBlazer said: Where are you seeing all of this? Here. That article is the preview of Act III Zedar translated a few days ago. It had some new Arcade Cg's with it.
MaximusMurkimus Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 Speaking of which, did Rachel's Act 2 ending ever get translated? Was wondering if Izzy had anything to say on Rachel's increasing power loss/change of character. Like someone said, it seems like she's getting more and more like Ragna now and targeting Naoto seems like a very Ragnaish thing to.
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