Central Fiction Arcade Plot Discussion (spoilers)

[ripostebarrier]

1 hour ago, Ogiga99 said:

What exactly did Ragna plan to do to Lambda in her Act 3? In order to deny everyone's desires, he says he needs to make her "forget a little" and activates the Azure Grimoire. What exactly did he mean by making her "forget?" He wasn't going to kill her so what is he doing with the Grimoire?

Azure Grimoire=Former Black Beast

Arakune=Failed Black Beast (compressed Seither)

 

I remembers that

Going into Boundary (high Seither concnegtration) like Ragna in CP results in memory loss.

Arakune in CS ated Litchi's memories in CS.

Pretty sure Terumi is Seither based since Celica is cancer to him and he ate Jin's memories in pre-CT after the Tenjo murder.

Appears that Black Beast or Seither based creatures "eat" or affect memories mainly due to being a bunch of Seither.

 

Maybe Ragna using this inate ability of Seither to only "eat" the desires of all Entitled?

Azure Grimoire is suppose to be just highly concentrated mass of Seither.

Either that or he need to give everyone real bad concussions so they forget their Entitled goals.

[Volt]

1 hour ago, Ogiga99 said:

A lot of stuff.

Not exactly.

 

Hihiirokane was the sword Jubei's brother used to body Terumi after he fused with Hazama. It dealt a bleep ton of damage to Terumi because it could also cut his soul, leading to the ending of Phase Shift 1 and his capture by Valkenhayn because he was too weak after killing Tomonori. That means he could've used it to weaken Hazama and forcibly hijack him so he could have a vessel if he wanted.

Terumi was freakin' exhausted after fighting his copy in his ending, right before getting Hihiirokane. Where did Hazama found him? Exhausted in a place that kinda looks like a portal and was represented by the Sealed Space stage. What does this mean? Hazama got him right after Terumi got Hihiirokane. On his way back to get a vessel. That led to Terumi getting bodied and Hazama preparing to use him as a vessel. (Why? It can't be just for the power.)

I didn't mean that Hazama was Terumi. In a gameplay sense and up to CP, Hazama was Terumi's vessel, so it doesn't make sense gameplay-wise for Terumi to have another playable vessel that isn't Hazama or himself. We're talking about a whole new character design based on a character that already has a playable form and a suitable replacement in a cast full of well designed characters that could get the playable treatment and add more to the plot.

 

Regarding Noel, Mu and "The Origin", most times a character actually stopped to talk to Mu, she either explained that Noel wasn't with her or she was actively searching for her. At worst, Rachel and Kokonoe know they split, not to mention Izanami, Nine and probably Relius. And as bonkers as Nu is, she still got her systems working right. She should've noticed that there were two "Noel signals" in her radar or at least a "Noel signal" showing that the real Noel wasn't Mu when she was standing in front of her. It's hardly a secret at that point. "The Origin" is a bit more complicated. We can't tell for sure if Nine was talking about the OPFD or if she was alluding to a separate event. Therefore, it's safer to refer to the Girl Inside Amaterasu as "The Origin" just in case she's not talking about the OPFD.

 

Amane didn't replace Rachel. What we know is that the world needs an Observer. As far as we know, he was an Observer in CP like Rachel or at least could Observe. That doesn't directly mean he got his powers to replace Rachel. Not to mention Kokonoe, Hazama, Relius and possibly Izanami can Observe as well. In fact, the term is pretty vague. And again, why exactly couldn't Clavis be reborn in the Time Loops. Rachel didn't freaking de-age in the Phase Novels. In fact, the playable Rachel actually goes to Phase 0 to talk to Ragna near the end.

 

Ragna was probably going to use Soul Eater to eat Lambda's desire. He originally planned to do this to Rettenjou in the Lynchpin to get some answers from Tenjou after all.

 

Also, disregarding the obvious differences, like scenarios and who got which Nox, it's actually easy to build a timeline of Act 3. How did Tsubaki learn Hakumen is Jin? Izayoi fought Hakumen to protect Noel, then she saw a flash of Hakumen's memory of her death and figured out Hakumen is Jin. See? It's kinda easy. It's not like Xrd, which had contradictions but no explanations (How many times did Babylon got Cradle'd again? )

And just to play it safe, as cool as Tao's Arcade was, judging how relevant she is to the overall plot, I'm tempted to say that her mode was kinda Gaiden at best, and partly non-canon at worst. Tao had already fought Noel at Stage 3, so she couldn't be her Arcade Boss in a gameplay sense. Considering how Mu was acting exactly like berserk Noel in most of the other Acts where Noel's like "You tryin' to kill me!!" I can say that Tao fought Noel at her Act 3 Ending, not Mu. That is, if that actually happened in the first place.

Also, we can't rule out parallel events. (Like Zato's first fight in Sign's Arcade being Millia's last.) For example: I think Tsubaki's last fight is Jin's Stage 3, where they fight each other. That's what kinda messes up the timeline, because we get things like:

 

• Tsubaki Fights Jin  (Tsubaki's Ending | Jin and Izayoi's Stage 3)
• Tsubaki decides to protect Noel and searches for her. (Izayoi's Act 3)
• Hakumen wants to kill Noel using Izayoi and they fight. After the battle, Tsubaki learns that Hakumen is Jin. (Izayoi and Hakumen's Ending)

So yeah, organizing things might get complicated.

[Zedar90]

1 hour ago, Ogiga99 said:

@Zedar90: Regarding "The Origin" from Mu's ending, was this ending the only time we believed it was mentioned that Noel had the soul of the OPFD? Basically, was that also said somewhere else or is any mention of the OPFD a mistranslation?

Not a mistranslation, but a mistake when someone wrote it in a Japanese forum. The only time The Origin was mention was in Mu's arcade (the original contact maker(as sourenga wrote it), note that this doesn't mean the same thing as the original prime field. There could be other prime fields before "Noel", only that she was the first one ever to contact god).
And I don't ever remember it saying that she had the soul of the origin, it was only speculation(I think?) about it to try making sense of why Noel was the origin. It only said the same, Izanami came with the Master Unit to put back Noel into her coffin.

[Volt]

31 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

Not a mistranslation, but a mistake when someone wrote it in a Japanese forum. The only time The Origin was mention was in Mu's arcade (the original contact maker(as sourenga wrote it), note that this doesn't mean the same thing as the original prime field. There could be other prime fields before "Noel", only that she was the first one ever to contact god).
And I don't ever remember it saying that she had the soul of the origin, it was only speculation(I think?) about it to try making sense of why Noel was the origin. It only said the same, Izanami came with the Master Unit to put back Noel into her coffin.

The OPFD kinda fits in that... Isn't that why Prime Field Devices started to get sent to the Boundary armed to the teeth? The problem is that it was said in a confusing way, so we're in a "Bullet's Captain" situation here.

[Zedar90]

10 minutes ago, Volt said:

The OPFD kinda fits in that... Isn't that why Prime Field Devices started to get sent to the Boundary armed to the teeth? The problem is that it was said in a confusing way, so we're in a "Bullet's Captain" situation here.

Well, there are two first prime fields, the 1st made by Relius and Ayatsuki(got in contact with Master Unit, got the azure eyes) and 0th(maker believed to be Relius, but unknown, a doll that got a soul. Never said to have contacted the Master Unit).
But the thing is, Noel is supposed to really be the first one to contact with the master unit, but when? We are dealing with time travel, and if we are going with the souls, was Noel's soul, was that soul really a prime field at the time when she contacted Amaterasu?
(We also has the Azure shrine maiden, who also kind talked with the azure in the past a long time ago. So doesn't she count somehow? And if she does, did "Noel" contact with the master unit before that?)

So for now, let's step back from the Original Prime field, Just call her The Origin or something.

[Ogiga99]

1 hour ago, Volt said:

Not exactly.

 

Hihiirokane was the sword Jubei's brother used to body Terumi after he fused with Hazama. It dealt a bleep ton of damage to Terumi because it could also cut his soul, leading to the ending of Phase Shift 1 and his capture by Valkenhayn because he was too weak after killing Tomonori. That means he could've used it to weaken Hazama and forcibly hijack him so he could have a vessel if he wanted.

Terumi was freakin' exhausted after fighting his copy in his ending, right before getting Hihiirokane. Where did Hazama found him? Exhausted in a place that kinda looks like a portal and was represented by the Sealed Space stage. What does this mean? Hazama got him right after Terumi got Hihiirokane. On his way back to get a vessel. That led to Terumi getting bodied and Hazama preparing to use him as a vessel. (Why? It can't be just for the power.)

I didn't mean that Hazama was Terumi. In a gameplay sense and up to CP, Hazama was Terumi's vessel, so it doesn't make sense gameplay-wise for Terumi to have another playable vessel that isn't Hazama or himself. We're talking about a whole new character design based on a character that already has a playable form and a suitable replacement in a cast full of well designed characters that could get the playable treatment and add more to the plot.

 

Regarding Noel, Mu and "The Origin", most times a character actually stopped to talk to Mu, she either explained that Noel wasn't with her or she was actively searching for her. At worst, Rachel and Kokonoe know they split, not to mention Izanami, Nine and probably Relius. And as bonkers as Nu is, she still got her systems working right. She should've noticed that there were two "Noel signals" in her radar or at least a "Noel signal" showing that the real Noel wasn't Mu when she was standing in front of her. It's hardly a secret at that point. "The Origin" is a bit more complicated. We can't tell for sure if Nine was talking about the OPFD or if she was alluding to a separate event. Therefore, it's safer to refer to the Girl Inside Amaterasu as "The Origin" just in case she's not talking about the OPFD.

 

Amane didn't replace Rachel. What we know is that the world needs an Observer. As far as we know, he was an Observer in CP like Rachel or at least could Observe. That doesn't directly mean he got his powers to replace Rachel. Not to mention Kokonoe, Hazama, Relius and possibly Izanami can Observe as well. In fact, the term is pretty vague. And again, why exactly couldn't Clavis be reborn in the Time Loops. Rachel didn't freaking de-age in the Phase Novels. In fact, the playable Rachel actually goes to Phase 0 to talk to Ragna near the end.

 

Ragna was probably going to use Soul Eater to eat Lambda's desire. He originally planned to do this to Rettenjou in the Lynchpin to get some answers from Tenjou after all.

 

Also, disregarding the obvious differences, like scenarios and who got which Nox, it's actually easy to build a timeline of Act 3. How did Tsubaki learn Hakumen is Jin? Izayoi fought Hakumen to protect Noel, then she saw a flash of Hakumen's memory of her death and figured out Hakumen is Jin. See? It's kinda easy. It's not like Xrd, which had contradictions but no explanations (How many times did Babylon got Cradle'd again? )

And just to play it safe, as cool as Tao's Arcade was, judging how relevant she is to the overall plot, I'm tempted to say that her mode was kinda Gaiden at best, and partly non-canon at worst. Tao had already fought Noel at Stage 3, so she couldn't be her Arcade Boss in a gameplay sense. Considering how Mu was acting exactly like berserk Noel in most of the other Acts where Noel's like "You tryin' to kill me!!" I can say that Tao fought Noel at her Act 3 Ending, not Mu. That is, if that actually happened in the first place.

Also, we can't rule out parallel events. (Like Zato's first fight in Sign's Arcade being Millia's last.) For example: I think Tsubaki's last fight is Jin's Stage 3, where they fight each other. That's what kinda messes up the timeline, because we get things like:

 

• Tsubaki Fights Jin  (Tsubaki's Ending | Jin and Izayoi's Stage 3)
• Tsubaki decides to protect Noel and searches for her. (Izayoi's Act 3)
• Hakumen wants to kill Noel using Izayoi and they fight. After the battle, Tsubaki learns that Hakumen is Jin. (Izayoi and Hakumen's Ending)

So yeah, organizing things might get complicated.

Even if Hihiirokane could be used to weaken Hazama, why would he need that weapon specifically to do this? Wouldn't it be as simple as beating down Hazama to take over? Why would he go to all the trouble of finding Hihiirokane unless he needed the special properties of that weapon in particular? Also, if Hazama's ending comes after Terumi's, why didn't Terumi use Hihiirokane against Hazama like you suggested?

I will be brief on this since it is veering dangerously close to full on playable character prediction, but if we're going with Terumi getting the Susano'o Unit, or something similar, as a vessel, I can see a super mode Terumi, one of the main villains in the series, as a potential final boss. Besides, after Izayoi was added, I'd say anything's fair game.

I'm not sure why you think Nu should be able to tell that Mu is separate from Noel despite most other characters having to pause and piece it together. She shouldn't sense two "Noel signals" since she only found Mu at the time and would have no reason to get the other signal. Nu doesn't have a constant Embryo-wide Noel tracking device and she is not psychic so what would make her realize Mu is the purged Godslayer powers? And of course, it's made pretty clear that Mu needs to die to kill Noel anyway since they are two parts of the same person. Nu also calls her the 12th Prime Field so I don't know why this is such an issue when everyone calls Mu Noel. Even Rachel, who knows the split, still refers to her as Noel.

In Valkenhayn's ending Amane refers to himself as "the next Onlooker," which means he became an Onlooker after Rachel. Combine that with Valkenhayn saying that "the world doesn't need multiple Onlookers" and it's pretty clear Amane is Rachel's replacement. You're mixing up the terms Observer and Onlooker. Rachel and Amane are Onlookers, who are Observers who have been tasked with watching over the progress of the world from the outside. An Observer is just someone who can "acknowledge" things they see as fact. There are many Observers but none of them are immune to Phenomenon Intervention like the Onlookers are. Also, when Amane says that the world won't save Rachel even if he dies in Valkenhayn's ending, when Amane says she intervened it cuts to the image of her from the CT True Ending before she blocked Take-Mikazuchi's shot with Tsukuyomi. From that moment onward Rachel had already stepped onto the stage, although she didn't start weakening until she got really involved by causing the Time for Decision, so Amane could have been made an Onlooker before CP. I don't know how else to explain this Clavis thing to you? An Onlooker is immune to Phenomenon Intervention. The time loops are caused by undoing events with Phenomenon Intervention. No one is actually being revived, rather the events that killed people are made to have never happened. However, if Clavis was an Onlooker, he would be immune to the very thing that causes the rewind and revives everyone and thus would stay dead. The best way to look at it is to compare this to what happens with Sechs in Code: Embryo. Because of the Kusanagi, Sechs could negate any Phenomenon Intervention and thus retained his memories whenever Hinata reset the world. However, this came with the price of Shared Existance, meaning that there is one single version of Sechs existing simultaneously in all timelines. Sechs is ultimately defeated because Es sends Touya back to the original timeline to kill Sechs at his weakest. In any other circumstances this wouldn't do anything since even if someone died in one timeline the reset would just bring them back. However because Sechs has one existence that is outside of traditional causality, killing him in the past means that every version of him is dead so he instantly dies in the current timeline. Turning back time only restores the people inside of that timeline, the characters who exist outside of it are not afforded that luxury. I'm not sure why you're bringing up the playable Rachel in Phase 0 because that is very clearly the CP-era Rachel that sent him back to Phase 0 in the first place. Of course she can pop in considering the insane level of interfering she is doing. She does it again in Phase 4 to bring Ragna back. The Rachel we see in every other scene is the young one who is meeting Ragna for the first time.

I don't think Soul Eater works that way. Soul Eater can absorb life energy and souls. The reason Ragna wanted to use it on Rettenjou is because it has Tenjou's soul inside it. Soul Eater would be able to draw out his soul so Ragna could talk to him. That is an entirely different beast from being able to "eat" someone's desires.

Tsubaki and Hakumen is not that easy. What you described is how it happened in Izayoi's ending. However, in Hakumen's ending she also discovers Hakumen's identity "for the first time" after Tsubaki tells him that if he wants to kill Noel he would have to kill her and take the Izayoi, with Hakumen refusing to do so because he cannot repeat his "original sin," after which he says her name, causing her to recognize him as JIn. The two scenes are completely different and both fights are preceded by the exact same conversation. Hakumen tells Tsubaki that she must kill Noel with the Immortal Breaker to save the world, Tsubaki refuses to do so, Hakumen tries to force her to so they fight. (For the record I don't play Guilty Gear so I don't know any of the references you are making).

Throwing out Tao as non-canon is a dangerous road to go down because BlazBlue just does not do that and if you say one "doesn't count" then what's to stop you from saying any number of other character's routes are non-canon. Nothing in Tao's Arcade is so insane that it shouldn't be considered as a possible event in the story (Azrael's route is far more ridiculous since Bang actually dies) so throwing her under the bus seems really arbitrary to me.

[Volt]

6 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

Well, there are two first prime fields, the 1st made by Relius and Ayatsuki(got in contact with Master Unit, got the azure eyes) and 0th(maker believed to be Relius, but unknown, a doll that got a soul. Never said to have contacted the Master Unit).
But the thing is, Noel is supposed to really be the first one to contact with the master unit, but when? We are dealing with time travel, and if we are going with the souls, was Noel's soul, was that soul really a prime field at the time when she contacted Amaterasu?
(We also has the Azure shrine maiden, who also kind talked with the azure in the past a long time ago. So doesn't she count somehow? And if she does, did "Noel" contact with the master unit before that?)

So for now, let's step back from the Original Prime field, Just call her The Origin or something.

Yep. That's what I said. Wait, did you just say 1? As in Alpha-1? 

Seriously though, what's that about a PFD getting Azure Eyes again? When did that happen?

[Zedar90]

3 minutes ago, Volt said:

Yep. That's what I said. Wait, did you just say 1? As in Alpha-1? 

Seriously though, what's that about a PFD getting Azure Eyes again? When did that happen?

Never in the game, in the time-line of all of the BBMC.
AD2099.12.31 The start of the tempering of the Dimensional Boundary Contact Prime Field number 1 at the hands of Relius Clover and Ayatsuki Shuuichirou. However due to Prime Field Number 1 awakening the "power of the eye", it gets sealed towards the bottom of the boundary.

[Ogiga99]

40 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

Well, there are two first prime fields, the 1st made by Relius and Ayatsuki(got in contact with Master Unit, got the azure eyes) and 0th(maker believed to be Relius, but unknown, a doll that got a soul. Never said to have contacted the Master Unit).
But the thing is, Noel is supposed to really be the first one to contact with the master unit, but when? We are dealing with time travel, and if we are going with the souls, was Noel's soul, was that soul really a prime field at the time when she contacted Amaterasu?
(We also has the Azure shrine maiden, who also kind talked with the azure in the past a long time ago. So doesn't she count somehow? And if she does, did "Noel" contact with the master unit before that?)

So for now, let's step back from the Original Prime field, Just call her The Origin or something.

Also, Hinata and Es came into contact with the Master Unit before the Prime Field experiments were even started so who knows what's going on.
 

 

21 minutes ago, Zedar90 said:

Never in the game, in the time-line of all of the BBMC.
AD2099.12.31 The start of the tempering of the Dimensional Boundary Contact Prime Field number 1 at the hands of Relius Clover and Ayatsuki Shuuichirou. However due to Prime Field Number 1 awakening the "power of the eye", it gets sealed towards the bottom of the boundary.

Wasn't AD2099.12.31 the day of the attempt to smelt the Kusanagi when the Black Beast was released? I thought that the Prime Field 1 was the one used in that experiment.

[Zedar90]

3 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

Wasn't AD2099.12.31 the day of the attempt to smelt the Kusanagi when the Black Beast was released? I thought that the Prime Field 1 was the one used in that experiment.

Yes, but that is what is written in every time-line in all of the MCs(although the CT one was a little more bare bone, only says tempering of the 1st began).
I guess what is written there is what occurred in the original time-line or whatever it should be called, and due to the time loop being created later, that event got distorted/changed to having the Black Beast appearing from the boundary in the middle of the tempering.

And what I wrote is(somewhat) recent, that is taken from the BBCPMCII, the latest MC to come out.

[ChainRevolver]

May I know the password to those videos?

[Toxin45]

But the master unit is empty so would that mean the girl inside it escaped? Also if Noel dosen't have her inside then where is she?

[Kenji Harima]

6 hours ago, ChainRevolver said:

May I know the password to those videos?

Write to Sourenga

On 23.05.2016 at 8:43 PM, Sourenga said:

If you're interested in watching these, send me a PM and I'll tell the password.

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6 hours ago, Zedar90 said:

And what I wrote is(somewhat) recent, that is taken from the BBCPMCII, the latest MC to come out.

But the thing is, Noel is supposed to really be the first one to contact with the master unit, but when? We are dealing with time travel, and if we are going with the souls, was Noel's soul, was that soul really a prime field at the time when she contacted Amaterasu?
(We also has the Azure shrine maiden, who also kind talked with the azure in the past a long time ago. So doesn't she count somehow? And if she does, did "Noel" contact with the master unit before that?)

1) So.... I guess that we can throw away Terumi's explanation from Continuum Shift (I excluded also Noel Arcade ending where Amaterasu was speaking too).

"See, when it grew a soul, this prime field also developed the power of the Eye." + your revelations -> now it seems if someone "something" is able to touch the Azure in the Boundary can become an "Eye" but needn't to link with Master Unit. However... What with 1st Prime Field Device now? It wasn't destroyed by Sealed Weapon Izayoi before it was thrown to the Boundary? SPECULATIONS: Did it replace "The Origin" in the Timeloop Timeline so Noel could live again or it's floating somewhere in the Boundary? The "crucified girl" it's still here so now I am not sure for who this body it's belong.

2) + Multiverse but the thing is that I am definitely sure that isn't her future self cause all this struggle through all the games made by our heroes (especially efforts for break the loop of time) would be pointless and gives an idea that there was a parallel world where Ragna & Co was living and and had a timeline where the history was going forward. I wouldn't also add Noel from Timeloop cause to this point how story is far we didn't get any hints that she has something similiar to Hakumen-Jin relation (Or it will hapen now that she will replace herself and the new games are going to focus on goal to break another loop in the BB world cause this world it's beginning for others and in this world a girl becomes a "god" Hilarious I know).

Speaking of time travel the Boundary hasn't past/present/future terms and Azure contains souls from different timelines so if Noel is "The Origin" (the very first being who contacted with Master Unit) she could observes worlds even from the past which we know. From my point of view this is the only certain thing. The rest off it's really hard to find if we want to avoid speculations.

However I have still a question which I wrote several times -> How the entire worlds were functioning if Master Unit didn't have any wielder before??? Did something happen to the BB or other world in the Age of Origin which changed everything and was influenced on other worlds too (Now BB world it's the beginning)??? How Azure could have any soul if the worlds were a mass of seithr???

The most important factor is if the Sankishin Units were made by humanity (small hints they are man made) or Azure itself or something different.

PS. I am sticking with the "worlds" cause I believe that "The Boundary" and Sanishkin Units are unique both for XBlaze, BE and potentially other parallel worlds.

2 hours ago, Toxin45 said:

But the master unit is empty so would that mean the girl inside it escaped? Also if Noel dosen't have her inside then where is she?

I would say that it's empty = doesn't have a soul but the body itself (crucified girl) it's still connected.

[ChainRevolver]

4 hours ago, Toxin45 said:

But the master unit is empty so would that mean the girl inside it escaped? Also if Noel dosen't have her inside then where is she?

Wait, I thought she possesess Amaterasu's soul and is the core of the Master Unit?

[Toxin45]

But after seeing mu's act 3. I don think that is the case.

[Volt]

11 hours ago, Zedar90 said:

Yes, but that is what is written in every time-line in all of the MCs(although the CT one was a little more bare bone, only says tempering of the 1st began).
I guess what is written there is what occurred in the original time-line or whatever it should be called, and due to the time loop being created later, that event got distorted/changed to having the Black Beast appearing from the boundary in the middle of the tempering.

And what I wrote is(somewhat) recent, that is taken from the BBCPMCII, the latest MC to come out.

Material Collections that most people outside Japan probably don't have access I assume. Figures. Is this one translated at least? I know CTMC is, but I didn't even know there were more than one.

 

11 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

Stuff.

I keep bringing Rachel up because if she was completely Time Loop Proof, she would've stayed in her current age forever. Not younger, not older.

Same goes to Clavis. Dude even died before the actual point of the time loops, so why couldn't the events that resulted in his existence happen again in a new loop?

 

Also, I didn't tell to throw the entire Tao Arcade out of the window. Just the inconsistent parts. And Ragna could very well do dynamic entries twice. The events were completely different.

 

Also, did you notice the blue pulse with the heartbeat sound in Hakumen's arcade when Izayoi realizes he's Jin? That's where she got her flash during her Arcade ending. Things aren't black and white. The very reason CP changed the story mode was to eliminate these inconsistencies, but in Arcade mode this is impossible.

 

And if it's not much trouble, if the post gets too long to quote, could you please not quote it entirely? It kinda gets messy to view in a phone.

 

Edit: Just remembered something. Revelator will have Story DLC. Could it be the case in CF?

[Ogiga99]

11 hours ago, Zedar90 said:

Yes, but that is what is written in every time-line in all of the MCs(although the CT one was a little more bare bone, only says tempering of the 1st began).
I guess what is written there is what occurred in the original time-line or whatever it should be called, and due to the time loop being created later, that event got distorted/changed to having the Black Beast appearing from the boundary in the middle of the tempering.

And what I wrote is(somewhat) recent, that is taken from the BBCPMCII, the latest MC to come out.

Do any of the Material Collections besides the CT ones have short stories in them? I haven't heard anything about this.

51 minutes ago, Volt said:

Stuff.

Time Loop Proof doesn't work that way. Being outside of the normal timeline and being immune to its resets doesn't mean she doesn't experience her own linear time during which she matures. It's also possible that the 50 year coma she falls into after the Dark War is a result of her becoming an Onlooker and gaining the necessary knowledge/power. That would mean she physically grew during that time and then froze if what you say is correct.

Clavis didn't die before the time loops, he died during the first one. The closed off time loop (where everything before it is set in stone as fact) started on January 1, 2100. Clavis died during the Dark War (I forget exactly when but I believe somewhere around 2107). He is only guaranteed alive until December 31, 2099, after that anything is fair game. And even if his part in the events were stabilized by the Time for Decision regardless of his Onlooker status, he shouldn't be able to remember any of the events happening because he died.

But why single out Tao? Nearly every Arcade has inconsistent parts that need some explanation via reset shenanigans. Have you tried to keep track of Noel and Mu's personalities and what stage of breakdown they are in for each Arcade? Someone needs to gain their trust because they are paranoid everyone wants to kill them like 5 times each. My point about Ragna's dynamic entry was that he suddenly appears before Mu specifically twice. And if he is trying to protect her why would he ditch her after Tao's?

Watch Izayoi and Hakumen's endings again. In Hakumen's there is no blue pulse, the screen just flashes white and there is a dramatic heartbeat sound, which is used constantly in BlazBlue even for things unrelated to the Azure effects (when Izanami calls Noel "The Origin" in Mu's Act 3 for example). That heartbeat is just to add drama to Tsubaki realizing who Hakumen is. Compare this to Izayoi's ending where a fragment of the Azure gathers around them (and Hakumen says Terumi is behind it) and Tsubaki gets the vision because she touches it. That version does not use the heartbeat sound until after all of that and the screen turning off sound. The context of Hakumen's ending is pretty clear. Tsubaki asks Hakumen why he won't kill her. Hakumen says killing her is his "original sin" that he could never erase. Remember that Hakumen told Tsubaki the story of Wheel of Fortune in his canon Continuum Shift Story, about the woman who was closest to him that died because of his actions. After Hakumen says that killing her is his original sin, she was able to put 2 and 2 together to realize that she was the woman he was talking about in that story, and thus Hakumen is Jin. Hakumen also calls her "Tsubaki" (he normally addresses her as "Tsubaki Yayoi") in the same tender way that Jin does. In one case Tsubaki gets a magic Azure vision but in the other she figures it out for herself.

I agree that Story Mode will show the one concrete "canon timeline" whereas Arcade Mode will have contradictions. However that is exactly why coming up with anything more than the most basic of timelines (Ragna's very early, Platinum's very late) is so difficult. Pretty much any fight or ending from any character can be the result of a reset (if there is one). Even events that are explicitly referenced in other character's Arcade (Ragna says he met Rachel, which happened in her story, when he fights Valkenhayn in his story) are not safe since both events could be rejected. Once CF's story is out we will be able to piece together which Arcades can be added to fit the canon timeline. In CP many Arcades happened beat for beat in story (Ragna's was the end of Chrono Phantasma Act 1, Bang's was the end of Sector Seven etc.) although most of them are rendered "non-canon" via reset since many of them end with Phenomenon Intervention and of course the Extend Arcades are canon. Based on the nature of CF, I'll bet a higher percentage of Arcades will be canon, especially everyone fighting Nine and Izanami in Acts 1 and 2 since we're probably not going to see that happen for each character but they all need to experience those fights to choose their side on the "kill/protect Noel" debate.

I certainly hope CF won't have Story DLC. For one thing, Revelator is closer to an Extend release whereas CF is the main release (and is the grand finale of Ragna's story that needs to be on disc). Since I know nothing about Guilty Gear, does it do a Story Mode for each character like CT-CS or have a combined narrative like CP-CF? If it's the first one it is much easier to fit in DLC that would be more tangential than a game with a singular narrative.

[BlazGearRegalia]

7 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

I certainly hope CF won't have Story DLC. For one thing, Revelator is closer to an Extend release whereas CF is the main release (and is the grand finale of Ragna's story that needs to be on disc). Since I know nothing about Guilty Gear, does it do a Story Mode for each character like CT-CS or have a combined narrative like CP-CF? If it's the first one it is much easier to fit in DLC that would be more tangential than a game with a singular narrative.

Guilty Gear Xrd's Episode Mode kinda acts like Central Fiction's Act 3, where most of the characters have their own unique boss fight [save for Sol, Sin, and Ramlethal who fight Jack-O the end]

The Xrd story mode is very much like CP-CF's combined narrative.

 

[Zedar90]

 

1 hour ago, Volt said:

Material Collections that most people outside Japan probably don't have access I assume. Figures. Is this one translated at least? I know CTMC is, but I didn't even know there were more than one.

No, I don't think anyone is fully translated. The MCs that exist are:
BBCTMC
BBCSMC
BBCPMC
BBCPMCII

12 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

Do any of the Material Collections besides the CT ones have short stories in them? I haven't heard anything about this.

Only CT has one for every character. The two CP ones doesn't have one at all.
CS has a longer one called Trigger Shift that bridges together CT and CS.

But the ARC 25th Anniversary Artbook had two, "Scarlett rose" and "Evergreen Eyes"

[Ogiga99]

31 minutes ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

Guilty Gear Xrd's Episode Mode kinda acts like Central Fiction's Act 3, where most of the characters have their own unique boss fight [save for Sol, Sin, and Ramlethal who fight Jack-O the end]

The Xrd story mode is very much like CP-CF's combined narrative.

 

So apparently Revelator's Story mode isn't paid DLC but rather free updates that will be released over time. Is this correct? If that's the case I'm a bit more comfortable with the idea as opposed to having to pay for the whole story. Then again I would hate having to wait after release to get the whole central narrative.

[Stryker115]

Just to make this clear.

OPFD = Prime Field 00 - Basically the super prototype.

The Orgin = Prime Field 01 - The one that was able to touch the Azure and gain a soul. (May or may not be Alpha -01-)

Is this right?

On 5/24/2016 at 0:28 PM, terizent said:

What is the Imaginary Number Monster

It's the Black Beast

 

18 hours ago, Ogiga99 said:

What exactly did he mean by making her "forget?" He wasn't going to kill her so what is he doing with the Grimoire?

You seem to have forgotten that souls = memories

He was going to use Soul Eater like Mind Eater to eat a part of her soul/memory

Kinda like a soul lobotomy if you will.

 

Oh yeah, and the Azure is the memories of The World apparently.

Kinda like the Akasha/Root in Type-Moon.

 

Also about Amane.

He has always been an Onlooker. He didn't gain his observation powers recently.

He's probably as old as Clavis for all we know

[NoelChan101]

What about the Original Kusanagi that was the closest to the OPFD? According to the Library.

 

 

[NoelChan101]

Also why was the Master Unit with Izanami in Mu's Act 3 ending???

[Volt]

*Sees current Prime Field confusion*

...Goddamnit Mori.

 

We don't really know a lot about this 1st PFD. (Or the 0th for that matter.) We should try to hold back the theorizing right now and try to find out where these 2 PFD's appear so we can have some concrete information before we start theorizing. Otherwise Alpha-01 might pop up.

 

[ChainRevolver]

4 hours ago, NoelChan101 said:

Also why was the Master Unit with Izanami in Mu's Act 3 ending???

I think it is to "put Noel into her coffin".