[CT] Does using Litchi earn you respek?

[ATGMantenbo]

humor a good sir please, why is this funny? Just a short note, a decent litchi in cs does not let her opponent escape the corner. And all that is, is combo - daisherin x n. Not hard, pretty flowcharty.

Whereas CT litch delayed shit, changed shit, was terrible in many aspects, oki was pretty good but o.d predictable etc. l DID sub her fyi.

to each's own l guess.

nah I was just fooling around, I know you're a good litchi player.

correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying CT litchi was harder because she was mid-low tier but because CS Litchi is stronger, she's easier?? S-tier doesn't mean easy to play.

DS pressure in the corner isn't really that easy, it takes skill to learn the different variations of DS inputs and confirming your mixup into damaging combos. KM is sometimes more preferable than DS in some matchups imo.

in my case, I think CS corner pressure is harder and stronger than its CT counterpart.

Urichinan,

more character specific = more combos to memorize ..

"Ippatsu combos" those weren't practical in CT .. never seen jp players use it in tourney matches.

but still it was a hard combo to pull off, but hey there are also hard combos in CS like for example comboing off dp or dash 2A after chun (3 frame link i believe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ta_In2l76g at 0:09 and at 1:27

At the end, I think CS litchi is the harder one .. but still Litchi is a really hard character to master in CT and CS compared to the other BB cast. And she earned me a lot of respect in both games.

Edited November 24, 2010 by ATGMantenbo

[TD]

well it's kinda correct. litchi being easy is attributed to her s rank. her pressure may take getting used to, her riichi starter needs getting used to but once she gets that combo in the match is pretty much over.

its like you learn a few hard things in cs but dont need most of the stuff in ct. its why litchi is flashy but boring. if she had no pressure but monster oki like now, things would be different, but litchi is pretty easy, moderate if anything.

[Poizonous Flour]

A battle between CT and CS execution... for Litchi, seriously.

The execution is difficult for newcomers who come trying to pick up Litchi for both games. No argument. Really, Litchi is just a hard character to pick up period. She has a tendency to drop combos if not timed precisely... and that sucks.

In CT, this happened a lot. Especially when doing the Ippatsu combos. Also, her damage ratio and meter gain was horrifically low, making wall trapping a necessity for killing someone in CT. Corner trapping was basically the only way to win in CT. Getting them to the wall in CT takes about the same amount of skill in both games... just in CT you get lower damage.

In CS, if you learn the Ippatsu A loop you basically have all you need to do plenty of damage to the opponent. I didn't find myself having to learn many different types of wall carry combos like I did in CT. Her damage ratio is a lot higher, she gets ridiculous meter, and her overhead actually does major combo damage. In short, in CS all the execution done for Litchi is rewarded with high damage.

Litchi is a hard character, but she is better rewarded in CS than CT. In CT, a dropped combo usually means you'll have to work twice as hard. In CS, I feel that she has plenty of safe and easy options at her disposal no matter what position she is in the stage.

So, I think the best way to phrase this is...

Litchi is hard to pick up and play, period. You need to work harder to win in CT (low damage ratio, dropped moves), than in CS (high damage ratio, easier wall carry and lockdown).

[Dragonthorn]

Oh wait, you're totally right. Litchi is shit. What was I thinking?

Also, how does IAD'ing her normals a problem exclusively to Litchi? Bang, Hazama, Hakumen and every other character many moves that can be punished, many of them by IAD. You act like just because Litchi's attacks aren't omnipotent, that means they're terrible. And lol at lack of staffless DP. Bang only has a 50% reversal. Hazama only has a 50% reversal. Hakumen has no reversal, only counters Taokaka, 50% heat. Arakune, 50% heat. Valkenhayn, 50% heat. Tsubaki might as well not have a reversal. Jin has terrible non-heat reversals. Tager has 50% reversal. I could go on. The point is, Litchi is lucky to actually have a DP (and a great one it is at that), even if it's with the staff. And you act like "oh, 5B is Litchi's only reliable jump cancel move from a distence", Litchi is amazing to actually hit at that distence at all. The range of her staff attacks far surpass anything most characters have.

Besides, most of what I said was just exaggerated to make Bang look bad. When there's an obvious joke near the end, you shouldn't be so ready to go on the defensive. Get it? It was a joke. jesus.

Sorry, didn't get the joke at the end. :P

My 2nd post clarifies my statement regarding her normals. Didn't really mean to make them seem as bad as how I posted it, which I guess illicited some negative reactions. And rightfully so. It just came out that way:

To clarify on my post about her normals (6B, 5C, 3C), my point just was they aren't spammable, you still need to time them right. But they are by all means above average normals.

[Chowfin27]

I agree with this, generally any player who's not Ragna/Jin/Noel has my respect