mAc Chaos Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I think you're misunderstanding what he means. Or maybe I am. From what we seem to understand, Jin saw Terumi as a kid, when he chopped off Ragna's arm. So Jin KNOWS Terumi is running around, by that point in time. Then he goes back in time, and becomes Hakumen, and all the Dark War stuff happens. But when he gets back from the Edge, he's back in Jin's time, which means he should already know about Terumi being loose since he was Jin and saw it happen himself. Unless he just forgot that much.
MisoSowee Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Or some MAAAJOOORR stuff happened with terumi and haku during black beast timeline... :o I remember hearing Suzaku mention that haku doesn't remember much of being Jin....
AzureBlazeEX Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 I remember hearing Suzaku mention that haku doesn't remember much of being Jin.... Yes, that's correct. All throughout Haku-Men's CT Story Mode, he only vaguely recalls anything he has accomplished while he was still Jin. Haku-Men does not remember scarring Bang during the Ikaruga War. He doesn't even seem to remember that he was Jin, he simply recalls being human at one time. Although, in his first Story Mode path, he faces his inner perception of his past self, I do not believe he calls Jin directly by name (only as his "past self"). The only thing Haku-Men seems to clearly remember from his time being Jin is Ragna, whom he clearly and directly names (and addresses as "big/older brother") during his encounter with his inner perception of Ragna in his first Story Mode path.
Sorael Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Yes, that's correct. All throughout Haku-Men's CT Story Mode, he only vaguely recalls anything he has accomplished while he was still Jin. Haku-Men does not remember scarring Bang during the Ikaruga War. He doesn't even seem to remember that he was Jin, he simply recalls being human at one time. Although, in his first Story Mode path, he faces his inner perception of his past self, I do not believe he calls Jin directly by name (only as his "past self"). The only thing Haku-Men seems to clearly remember from his time being Jin is Ragna, whom he clearly and directly names (and addresses as "big/older brother") during his encounter with his inner perception of Ragna in his first Story Mode path. He remembers a bit more than that as he does remember Bang however, claiming that he "hasn't changed" when he meets him in his story mode. I think he has rather selective memory which doesn't help us figuring things out =p
selitham Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Jin was pretty stuck-up and blunt when it came to remembering people other than those from his childhood and a few NOL officers, even as Hakumen it's not like he'll fully remember people like Bang or Carl.
mAc Chaos Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 Now that you point it out, Jin himself didn't remember Bang. I wasn't sure if he was just saying that to piss off Bang though.
Jourdal Posted November 4, 2009 Posted November 4, 2009 No....he wasn't...he just didn't remember..it took him a while to remember Carl and they were classmates..though when he did he complimented Carl (in a backhanded way).
selitham Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 He wouldn't fully remember Carl because he only met him a few times back then, he doesn't have amnesia, but he just doesn't give a damn about remembering people either, unless that person has something to do with his primary agenda, his work, or he's known most of his life. He didn't really even care about anybody once Ragna showed up, that clouded his judgement mostly.
Soothesayer Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Jin sees most people at little more than impediments or obstacles anyway, and there's very few who he truly cares about, Ragna being one and Tsubaki maybe being another. Noel only because she resembles Saya.
Sorael Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Jin sees most people at little more than impediments or obstacles anyway, and there's very few who he truly cares about, Ragna being one and Tsubaki maybe being another. Noel only because she resembles Saya. Speaking of Tsubaki, does anyone know if she is his true relative or his adopted one?
Soothesayer Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Adopted I would guess, otherwise she'd be related to Saya and ragna as well...but then again it seems like half the cast is related to each other, iDK Carl and Ada might lost siblings to Ragna/Jin/Saya for all we know, Ada does resemble a taller saya in the materials collection.
Re4L14124c Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 they're not relatives, just childhood friends, both Kisaragi and Yayoi are prestigious families with ties to one another.
Sorael Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 they're not relatives, just childhood friends, both Kisaragi and Yayoi are prestigious families with ties to one another. Tsubaki says herself that they are to Makoto in Jin's story ending in which he loses to Ragna.
Lou_Cypher Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Tsubaki says herself that they are to Makoto in Jin's story ending in which he loses to Ragna. No, no. She says something along the lines of: "Well, we are related after all. We've known each other since we were kids." So quite possibly, relation by familiarity. Probably entered the academy at the same time.
Sorael Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 No, no. She says something along the lines of: "Well, we are related after all. We've known each other since we were kids." So quite possibly, relation by familiarity. Probably entered the academy at the same time. She still says that they are related. And I understand what you mean when she said that following right after but from what I got is that she means they could be cousins that grew up together and they know each other very well. And it's not like all cousins get that chance. And if she wasn't related to him she could have easily said that they have just known each other for a while.
Re4L14124c Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 No, I'm not trying to bullshit here, they are merely childhood friends, Yayoi and Kisaragi, now that I've checked, are both part of the "twelve families" that are basically the elite of the elite in NOL. for terms and stuff, though, you're going to have to ask Suzaku and his imaginative translation.
mAc Chaos Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Wasn't it implied or stated that there was some sort of romantic thing going on betwen Jin and Tsubaki? He does have one of his moves as Hakumen named after her...
Sorael Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Wasn't it implied or stated that there was some sort of romantic thing going on betwen Jin and Tsubaki? He does have one of his moves as Hakumen named after her... o_O where did you hear something like that? I hope you didn't hear that from Neocrimson. Tsubaki means camellia flower which apparently is also a type of fighting style and or technique, same goes for Lotus.
Suzaku Posted November 5, 2009 Author Posted November 5, 2009 They're not related. Even if the Kisaragi and Yayoi families are related by blood (or, more likely, marriage), Jin was adopted. The "twelve families" (十二宗家, juunisouke) might be more aptly translated as "twelve heads" or "twelve originators". The term "souke" usually refers to the headmaster or founder of a family, but in BB, seems to refer to the entire family and their place in the NOL's hierarchy. They're also called, roughly, the twelve spearbearers (矛十二士, hokujuunishi). They serve the Imperator, and they appear to be named after the months of the Japanese calendar. The Yayoi family is stated to value the "family's bloodline" or "family lineage by blood relation".
Sorael Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 They're not related. Even if the Kisaragi and Yayoi families are related by blood (or, more likely, marriage), Jin was adopted. The "twelve families" (十二宗家, juunisouke) might be more aptly translated as "twelve heads" or "twelve originators". The term "souke" usually refers to the headmaster or founder of a family, but in BB, seems to refer to the entire family and their place in the NOL's hierarchy. They're also called, roughly, the twelve spearbearers (矛十二士, hokujuunishi). They serve the Imperator, and they appear to be named after the months of the Japanese calendar. The Yayoi family is stated to value the "family's bloodline" or "family lineage by blood relation". okay that was what I was looking for
AzureBlazeEX Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 I never heard anything about romantic relations between Jin & Tsubaki either. There was them being related, but no intimate relationship. Makoto simply stated that she was jealous of Tsubaki for Jin always treating her kindly. Tsubaki replies that it is because she is grew up with and is related to Jin. If Haku-Men's technique "Tsubaki" has anything to do with the person, Tsubaki, I would gander it a tribute to her out of friendly or family relations, not intimate love. Though, I'm not sure if 'tsubaki' is a type of martial arts discipline like Sorael says. I have heard of 'lotus' styles before in martial arts disciplines.
Sorael Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 I never heard anything about romantic relations between Jin & Tsubaki either. There was them being related, but no intimate relationship. Makoto simply stated that she was jealous of Tsubaki for Jin always treating her kindly. Tsubaki replies that it is because she is grew up with and is related to Jin. If Haku-Men's technique "Tsubaki" has anything to do with the person, Tsubaki, I would gander it a tribute to her out of friendly or family relations, not intimate love. Though, I'm not sure if 'tsubaki' is a type of martial arts discipline like Sorael says. I have heard of 'lotus' styles before in martial arts disciplines. I guess I should have said a dance style that sometimes gets interpreted into a fighting style.
Irrsinn Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Tsubaki likes Jin because they grew together and are related, birds of a feather flock together, too bad Jin would give her the cold shoulder.
Suzaku Posted November 5, 2009 Author Posted November 5, 2009 Just for the hell of it, I went ahead and translated the list of the 23 Hierarchical Cities. You'll notice that a few names are used twice, but I didn't see any explanations for that. The 1st Hierarchical City "Ookoto" The 2nd Hierarchical City "Iwatsuchi" The 3rd Hierarchical City "Iwasu" The 4th Hierarchical City "Naobi" The Ikaruga Federation The 5th Hierarchical City "Ibukido" The 6th Hierarchical City "Yabiko" The 7th Hierarchical City "Kazamotsu" The 8th Hierarchical City "Wadatsumi" The 9th Hierarchical City "Akitsu" The 10th Hierarchical City "Akitsu" The Izumo Region The 11th Hierarchical City "Shinatsu" The 12th Hierarchical City "Kukunochi" The 13th Hierarchical City "Kagutsuchi" The 14th Hierarchical City "Nozuchi" The 15th Hierarchical City "Torifune" The 16th Hierarchical City "Oogetsu" The 17th Hierarchical City "Yamatsumi" The 18th Hierarchical City "Kanayama" The 19th Hierarchical City "Kanayama" The 20th Hierarchical City "Haniyatsu" The 21st Hierarchical City "Haniyatsu" The 22nd Hierarchical City "Mizuha" The 23rd Hierarchical City "Wakumusubi"
Irrsinn Posted November 5, 2009 Posted November 5, 2009 Hey Suzaku, could you please, please, please, translate Arakune's page with all these unused bugs? (page 077). Or at least #5 and #22 and #19?
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