[CS1] Rachel Combos

[ざわ…ざわ]

So, here's something interesting, if a bit situational. 3C is one of my favorite moves to throw out as Rachel. Unfortunately, its combo potential is pretty limited, especially on CH. 8D 5CC etc won't combo on counter hit, for example. (CH worse than regular hit. ). You can get the 8D 5B jc j.B j.C jc j.B j.C 236A for like 1.4k, but it can do better.

Another move with really bad combo potential is Rachel's new DD, Tempest Dahlia. Even that is situational because 6B CH is the only thing you're probably going to want to combo it into, and those are pretty rare in my experience.

Anyway, here's the point. CH 3C will combo into Tempest Dahlia Level 4. All the other TD levels? Still useless. Why is Level 4 different? Because Giant George will inflict lightning stun similar to Baden Baden Lily's. While you'll have nowhere near the amount of time to yourself that BBL gives, it's still enough time to set up some combos. Furthermore, 3C can ride its 3 hits while you're inputting Tempest Dahlia. With a little practice, it's as easy as can be to pull off.

Note that everything here doesn't work with your opponent in the corner, even with level 4 TD. This is because the distance between your opponent and the side of the screen the projectiles come from is more than it is at mid... they have just enough time to tech before the projectiles reach them. Just stick to your usual stuff there.

3C (3 hits) > 632146B LV4, dash, 6C 8D > j.C > jc.C > j.236A (3050~ Damage) 50% Meter, 2 winds

This is the easiest one. 3k for Rachel isn't too bad, especially off a relatively safe move like 3C. Not to mention this one is pretty easy to do. (You can also exclude the 8D, if you don't feel a wind is worth 200~ish damage)

3C (3 hits) > 632146B LV4, dash, 2D 5CC > 236B, dash, 214C, dash, j.C > jc.C > j.236A (3020~ Damage) 50% meter, 2 winds

This one is trickier, and the timing on 2D 5CC is a little weird. (You might whiff the second hit if you do it too early.) On the plus side, it pushes towards the corner, I guess?

3C (3 hits) > 632146B LV4, dash, 5B > jc.B > j.C > jc.B > j.C > 236A (2772 damage) 50% meter, 1 wind

Not really worth the meter, but it is a variation you can do if you feel like it.

3C (3 hits) > 632146B LV4, dash, sj 8D, j.2CD LV3, 236A, 3C (3 hits) > 214C > 6C > j.C > jc.C > j.236A (3772 damage) 50% meter, 3 winds

Yep, you can even combo into level 3 j.2C off of Giant George's stun. The timing and positioning is a bit trickier than BBL to me, though I'm pretty bad at level 3 j.2C on Baden too. The important thing is that you can do it, and it opens the gate for all of Rachel's favorite things to do after one of those Fatals.

You might be able to get two Lobelia off before you have to 3C, which will increase the damage here a bit. Personally, my execution isn't good enough to do that, if it's possible. But if yours is, give it a try.

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This is just something I've been toying around with the past few weeks. It's not some revelation that makes Rachel's damage not suck less, but it is something that hopefully makes TD and 3C more useful. Which is good for me, at least, since Tempest Dahlia is actually aesthetically awesome and 3C is loads of fun to toss around.

[unsanctifier]

you should be definitely able to pull of 2 loebila's after a level 3 j.2c, most people go with dropping a frog then 236A after that or BBL.

[TD]

l just set frog/pumpkin after a ch 3c. l'll try your way though l highly doubt it's worth the meter.

*sigh...*

[unsanctifier]

it isn't, you already know this, even though george prorates like fuck, doing the standard frog -> loebila will always do more damage, and you can push your opponent more that way!

[Kuuhaku]

Rachel's damage will be low no matter what we do, so it's more important to focus on oki and resets.

[TD]

CoT:

After a hit, it's better to go into 6cd. The preceeding frog combo will require another wind. but it's totally worth it. Better to confirm if they're standing though, sometimes the j.c will whiff crouchers and then you can do a gimmicky reset. lt's why the loketest buffed 6c so it forces opponents to stand btw, so it leads to the corner with no problems etc.

But yeah in a nutshell. Use 6cd if you have 2 winds.

[TD]

l FUCKING LOVE YOUR AVI BOHEMIAN.

Posting this is so worth the infraction.

[unsanctifier]

Yeah the 6C buff is amazing. Always going to the corner, and you don't have to start crouch-er only combos. Blegh. Those aren't great with our Rachel.

[ざわ…ざわ]

Didn't see this on the first page of the thread, and I didn't look in the other 40 pages of the thread, so apologies if this has been posted already. I wanted to post a variation of one of the corner throw combos listed on the first page.

b+c, 3C (3 hits), 8D (3rd hit), 5CC, 5CC, 214B, 3C (3 hits), 214A - 2270 damage

This basically does the same amount of damage, and sets up Pumpkin and George too, but in practice its timing and execution is much easier than b+c 5B 2D 5CC etc, where you can accidentally go 2C instead of 5CC (especially if you throw them right at the corner's edge). You can also transition into Baden Baden Lily after the first 5CC and do all of the crazy things associated with that.

[Soniti]

Yeah that's another one of those common knowledge combos that just aren't in the list.

[MARIN]

Combo wise I don't know what is the best option in the corner after a lvl3 j2C. I now hold back a little to create space and then try to get 5CC to hit (one of those hits), followed by 3C>frog if the first hit of 5CC hits, or another 5CC into 3C>frog if the second hit of 5CC hits. I dont know what else to do

And any tip for getting the lvl3 j2C done without using 2 winds? If I do hj~8D, j2C, I either hit them to late and they're already on the floor or I hit them to early for a lvl2 hit =(