huey253 Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 i give up man, seems like this is lesser of a matchup thing and more of a "my pressure/mixup is weak" go play more games! (or go home and be a family man)
Zeron_X25 Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 lol ok. But I still say D-nails are terrible for Haz zoning,5a killing Haz mixup options, and most important of all Bang be too ninja. I wished I could play more games ._.
huey253 Posted April 20, 2011 Posted April 20, 2011 lol ok. But I still say D-nails are terrible for Haz zoning,5a killing Haz mixup options, and most important of all Bang be too ninja. I wished I could play more games ._. D-nails are not THAT bad for hazama, its terrible for lambda though your mixup suck, 5A doesn't ruin anybodies mixup
Sasame Kiryu Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Ok, so now that CS 1.03 is out, I have to ask, is this match up still the same? I played online against some guy's Bang (he was level 70, so he was probably lots more skilled than me), and the match up felt the same. Guess right or pay the price.
Zeron_X25 Posted May 18, 2011 Posted May 18, 2011 I honestly think that it's in Hazama's favor. His chain canceling is faster, combos are scary and hurt, 5a godlike as always, 2a is now +2 on block (correct me if I'm wrong), better pressure this time around, etc. Bang can still do his stuff though. Being a ninja and all.
Sasame Kiryu Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 Can someone explore some options with me here? I'm not too good with getting out of Bang's corner pressure. His overhead comes out so fast, and for some reason it fatal counters. Should I just barrier block when getting up in the corner? Jumping out and trying to poke him out with 5A or 2A doesn't seem to work fast enough. Just trying to learn what my options are against his mix up. Being in the corner against Bang feels hard to fight against.
YukiBlue Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Guess right or pay the price.This. For Hazama and Bang. You just need to be faster than the guy you are playing in this Matchup. Bang = D Nails. B Nails. Drive. Corner Pressure > Command Grab. Hazama = Just Hazama.
Sasame Kiryu Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 This. For Hazama and Bang. You just need to be faster than the guy you are playing in this Matchup. Bang = D Nails. B Nails. Drive. Corner Pressure > Command Grab. Hazama = Just Hazama. The more I play, the more it feels like the grim truth. Against a Bang that seems to not know what he's doing so well, I can massacre them. But against someone that knows what they're doing, they always manage to lock me down into that corner pressure. It's frustrating as hell to get caught by that command grab DX
YukiBlue Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) Hazama is lucky for the fact he can chain from above the height of a double jump. or at the peak of the double jump. Out of Bang's range unless he TK's some D'nails, then pray for a counter of some stupid nature. If you get in corner pressure, just expect some damage. And against a good bang, a command grab. Or worst of all. Steel God Damn Rain. In a corner with that and you should forget winning the round. Whilst it's not widely used, this can lead to real soviet damage. If it hits you in the corner, nothing is stopping him from getting ludicrous damage, and then getting a free Command grab near the end. Which most of the time will kill you outright, You cant do anything in that situation. IF you are in a corner blocking it, you cannot burst, or reject his throw, because you will get the tail end of the nails. And if you dont, you get Command Throw'd. Now, The game glitches during a CG in steel rain, bang will do his animation and do CG damage. But you will STILL be under the umbrella getting damage off that. Broken. TL;DR - STAY OUT OF CORNERS. Note: No self respecting Bang would waste 12 nails on a single distortion. So you will almost never have this happen to you. Unless you fight me. Edited May 23, 2011 by YukiBlue
Sasame Kiryu Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Lol. Good to know. So the method hasn't changed then. Just added something new to the agenda; Stay away from the corners. Unless Bang's against the wall, of course. Wow, how frustrating. Especially that glitch DX Glad I don't have BB on the box then, I guess. Lol.
YukiBlue Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 Dont forget if you have him in a corner, His drive can teleport behind you on hit, and then you are in a corner. You will have a very bad day in the corner.
Sasame Kiryu Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 So I'm noticing >_< If his mix up wasn't so strong, I honestly wouldn't have a problem with it. But when I get up in the corner, I don't know if he's gonna overhead, trip me, 5a, or poop nails from the sky. And if it wasn't bad enough, nails ground you on hit now DX Guessing and reading are hard to do against someone skilled.
YukiBlue Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 His 623B doesnt bounce now, So I guess I backward tech and Jump + D would be the only viable option. try and catch him out with 214-B? As of now, I have no Answer to his Mid screen FRKZ T_T
Sasame Kiryu Posted May 24, 2011 Posted May 24, 2011 Blah. I guess I need to work on my mid-screen game. If I can effectively push Bang into the corner, none of this would be a problem >_<
YukiBlue Posted May 25, 2011 Posted May 25, 2011 I guess you just have to out/troll him. If any XBL Hazama's wanna' fight against my bang <---- Add it.
ZeroRaider Posted May 25, 2011 Posted May 25, 2011 Read for air approaches. Give pressure when you can. Not much against it for him. So yeah, lol bang. I guess I can add you. I've played against people on a English connection before. Not exactly great, but didn't suck completely.
YukiBlue Posted May 25, 2011 Posted May 25, 2011 Brit connection isnt terrible. I have a friend who lives in Sacramento and one in Australia and the connection is always good. Anywhom. To anyone that adds me. I've been using a stick for 3 Years, and it broke. So I've been using a pad since Tuesday. No excuse for sucking. But you are going to see dropped Combos. a lot of Dropped combos.
sergetrigger Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 His drives are punishable, they all leave one part open such as 2d will leave him open for low attacks even during the guard point. His 5d blocks high and mid, i believe... J.d is his overall safe move since it blocks highs, and mids but im not sure about lows since he's in the air and I never encountered someone who uses a low against j.d His 6d is his whole body guardpoint, but it ONLY LAST DURING THE FIRST FRAMES, once he moves his leg he's safe to hit but most people are just scared of it and block it during the whole duration of it. Haz's command grab can counter his drives, particularly 5d, 2d, and 6d. I'm not so sure about the last one since I never really done it against 6d, but I believe it can counter it.
Justice7541 Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 His drives are punishable, they all leave one part open such as 2d will leave him open for low attacks even during the guard point. His 5d blocks high and mid, i believe... J.d is his overall safe move since it blocks highs, and mids but im not sure about lows since he's in the air and I never encountered someone who uses a low against j.d His 6d is his whole body guardpoint, but it ONLY LAST DURING THE FIRST FRAMES, once he moves his leg he's safe to hit but most people are just scared of it and block it during the whole duration of it. Haz's command grab can counter his drives, particularly 5d, 2d, and 6d. I'm not so sure about the last one since I never really done it against 6d, but I believe it can counter it. 5D and 2D are mid/high guardpoint. j.D is full-body guardpoint. Not sure if it still blocks AUB. 6D is mid/low and has reversal autoguard. Just meaty it with 6A if they're getting happy with it but watch for Ashura/Daifunka. All guardpoints are throwable by everything but the OS tech trick still works. Drives are basically safe now though since he can cancel into firepunch. Just wait and IB that and 2B it.
Sasame Kiryu Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 DX I didn't know I could command grab him out of his D. If I knew that, I wouldn't have been scared of it all this time. I guess that's what I get for lurking and not asking for stuff >_<
Justice7541 Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 You can pretty much mash through all of his guardpoints except 2D. That's why so many Bangs mash 2D, because it's the safest guardpoint overall, but if you're on your toes you can get an easy 3C CH on reaction.
sergetrigger Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 5D and 2D are mid/high guardpoint. j.D is full-body guardpoint. Not sure if it still blocks AUB. 6D is mid/low and has reversal autoguard. Just meaty it with 6A if they're getting happy with it but watch for Ashura/Daifunka. All guardpoints are throwable by everything but the OS tech trick still works. Drives are basically safe now though since he can cancel into firepunch. Just wait and IB that and 2B it. OS trick does work, but not against command grab. DX I didn't know I could command grab him out of his D. If I knew that, I wouldn't have been scared of it all this time. I guess that's what I get for lurking and not asking for stuff >_< Just make sure you're close enough for command grab. If they're doing 5d, Bang will move forward a bit, and you can catch him with a late command grab.
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