Dallas-Fort Worth Thread

[Mightfo]

Zreb can't make it today, so cookie or someone may have to bring a second setup.

Ronin can't make it either.

also

SHOUTOUTS TO BOOMBOX'S USE OF KAMUI'S PARRIES

and shoutouts to nazuna's zoning again, lmao so i heard sf4 shithead said this game is all rushdown

ill make your mspaint MVC avatars tonight probably, frigid. oso's will be next once i clarify his team again

also, i really like the teambuilding aspect of mvc3, it's enjoyable in a different way from arcana selection.

also my BnBs as morrigan/ironman are sweet. morrigan's is [jumpin/5c/whatever] 5b 5c 2c 6c jump (slight delay) j.b j.c j.e land 5b 5c 5e jump j.b j.c j.e land 623AB OTG for 410k iirc, 300kish without the super OTG, but the combo generates enough meter for the super. the 5b 5c before 5e dont add damage due to the game's funky proration, but they do add nice heat.

ironman's is <whatever> 2a 2b 5c 214a wait 2b 5c 5e jump j.b etc j.e etc

i love comboing into 214a and picking up with sweep after it, so good. similar damage to morrigan's, a bit more maybe

sdjkdsjf MEANWHILE, SENTINEL: 5b 5e j.b j.c j.e land rocketpunch super for like twice as much damage and the only part that takes anything special is you have to delay that j.b a bit.

very fun combos. hopefully i will do them more reliably next time.

also, gradually getting better with lilica's pressure and combos, though still not near as good as I want to be at it.

YOU GUYS BETTER FUCKING BE HYPE AT THE MEETUP FOR ME

[Frigiddeath]

I don't even know if anyone is seriously coming at this point. The only people I know for sure are coming are the Denton guys later tonight. Might just be a good weekend for me to take a break and study.

Edited February 19, 2011 by Frigiddeath

[Mightfo]

I don't even know if anyone is seriously coming at this point. The only people I know for sure are coming are the Denton guys later tonight. Might just be a good weekend for me to take a break and study.

aren't cookie and danni coming

also i really hate how marvel doesnt just fucking zoom out when someone highjumps or whatever

[Frigiddeath]

Well, Danni is not coming now. He has not slept and is just going home and sleeping. Yeah, pretty sure no one is coming now.

Today might just be me playing marvel online thinking I have not played a single match against anyone yet. So, if anyone want to play on 360 let me know.

[Mightfo]

Well, Danni is not coming now. He has not slept and is just going home and sleeping. Yeah, pretty sure no one is coming now.

Today might just be me playing marvel online thinking I have not played a single match against anyone yet. So, if anyone want to play on 360 let me know.

the denton crew wants to play some marvel iirc

btw frigid any other requests for your wesker avatar? still want it to be wesker? if i feel like there's room for another character in it, who would it be?

[Frigiddeath]

Wanted to give a quick shout out to cookie for being the only one to come today. Also, X-factor chip damage is godlike. That is all.

Edit: Wesker is too manly to have other people in it.

[Mr Oso]

Likes: Spencer,Chris, IronMan, Haggar,Taskie,Ammy,Joe,Arthur.

Indifferent: Every Character that's not the below characters.

Hates:Level 3 X factor Sentinel and Phoenix(Dark Phoenix)

[Ronin Jinobi]

man lemme tell ya. level 3 x-factor Zero + soudenmu is like fucking genei jin and seiei enbu balled into one :OOOOO

[Mr Oso]

I dont know what the hell all that stuff is but X Factor 3 + Anything = Legendary Pokemon Status

[Dannihaag]

Just wanna say... really, j H tatsu infinite ftl =( That said I guess if there is a game where infinites are a LITTLE (and I mean a LITTLE) more acceptable, it's marvel.

[Mightfo]

Getting significantly more fond of MvC3, but still need offline play to really see how thoroughly i enjoy it. Sadly, won't get that this week, won't be able to host or attend this week, but the next 3 weeks after this week will all have meetups. GET HYPE! ..or get hype a week and a half from now. ;p

Frigid, you hosting saturday? Should I text people etc or will you do it, given numbers and what not?

I learned how to do j.33 consistently as iron man, then found out I can just j.3AB. A lot easier. oh well. X-23 can stance cancel with 214A~S to make shit + frames as fuck on block. So gooood. My teams in mind/reserve all have morrigan, likely have x-23 or ironman, and possibly have dormammu/sentinel. Heavily considering trish now due to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRGK_8QCZA&feature=player_embedded .

I should mess with evil arcana and water arcana more. That'll probably come next week when my college load reduces.

Might grab http://www.joystiq.com/2011/02/21/grab-a-hori-xbox-360-fight-stick-with-tekken-6-for-30-at-best-b/ because a spare 360 stick might be useful, and hey, tekken.

Edit: Wesker is too manly to have other people in it.

ahaha, alright. i'll get that to you this weekend. last weekend ended up too busy.

man lemme tell ya. level 3 x-factor Zero + soudenmu is like fucking genei jin and seiei enbu balled into one :OOOOO

ahaha yess. x-factor is pretty interesting. i feel like it's a lot more fair and interesting than ultras, though i guess i can see some people's frustration with being "randomed" out by a lvl 3 KFC sentinel/dark phoenix, but the latter requires the other team to play at a disadvantage for a while, and the former seems to me like it really wont be that bad after people get used to it.

Just wanna say... really, j H tatsu infinite ftl =( That said I guess if there is a game where infinites are a LITTLE (and I mean a LITTLE) more acceptable, it's marvel.

by infinite do we mean "prorates so bad it's a time out infinite" or "100%" infinite

if the latter, eh

if the former, that's pretty obnoxious

Edited February 22, 2011 by Mightfo

[zreb]

@Ronin: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?10783-The-Critique-my-Hakumen-Thread&p=950455#post950455

help me out bro

[Frigiddeath]

Double post are fun

Edited February 22, 2011 by Frigiddeath

[Frigiddeath]

Akuma's j.tatsu infinite works on only 12 characters as they have to be big enough to get hit by 3 or 4 of the j. H tatsu. The timing is a little weird but I was easily able to do about 10 reps in about 1 hour of practice. It will be a pretty good counter to lawlz Sentinel, but thinking Akuma can do 700 to 900k on any of his good combo it just seems pointless to do on most of the cast as they will die to one good combo + reset.

I really am enjoying the game, but online is just terrible. I can't play Chun Li as the lag just rapes her because she is so execution heavy. I really need to play more people offline so I can actually learn how to play this game and not just do 980k Wesker combos off of a cr.l or crazy Chun Li combos.

Also, fuck X-factor, worst mechanic ever thought up. Ultra combos are way more balanced. Even if you got hit by even vanilla Sagat DP xx FADC xx F.Rh into Ultra you would only lose about 70% health and that is if Sagat built a full ultra. I can seriously chip an entire characters to death within seconds while in X-factor unless they counter me by X-factoring. My Chun Li died in 6 hits of a Sentinel lvl3 X-factor combo from full health, shit is dumb. Then again, my lvl3 X-factor Wesker combos hit for about 1.6 million killing everyone in the game instantly and are damn near impossible to block thanks to his speed increase and teleport mind games. Hell, any character in the game while in level 3 x-factor can slaughter an entire team within 20 second. The game will end up being who is forced to X-factor first and if they don't win the match before it end they will probably get rolled right afterward. Dumb gimmick is dumb.

[Mightfo]

Akuma's j.tatsu infinite works on only 12 characters as they have to be big enough to get hit by 3 or 4 of the j. H tatsu. The timing is a little weird but I was easily able to do about 10 reps in about 1 hour of practice.

I see, I assume it only works on standing?

I really am enjoying the game, but online is just terrible. I can't play Chun Li as the lag just rapes her because she is so execution heavy. I really need to play more people offline so I can actually learn how to play this game and not just do 980k Wesker combos off of a cr.l or crazy Chun Li combos.

I feel like they must've rushed the game out the door since there's not even a goddamn spectator mode or other things that SF4 had.

Also, fuck X-factor, worst mechanic ever thought up. Ultra combos are way more balanced. Even if you got hit by even vanilla Sagat DP xx FADC xx F.Rh into Ultra you would only lose about 70% health and that is if Sagat built a full ultra. I can seriously chip an entire characters to death within seconds while in X-factor unless they counter me by X-factoring.

Jesus, even if they're AGing? What super?

My Chun Li died in 6 hits of a Sentinel lvl3 X-factor combo from full health, shit is dumb. Then again, my lvl3 X-factor Wesker combos hit for about 1.6 million killing everyone in the game instantly and are damn near impossible to block thanks to his speed increase and teleport mind games. Hell, any character in the game while in level 3 x-factor can slaughter an entire team within 20 second. The game will end up being who is forced to X-factor first and if they don't win the match before it end they will probably get rolled right afterward. Dumb gimmick is dumb.

I don't think the damage increases that x-factor gives is really a big deal. If combos keep developing as they do, x-factor will only mean dying in one combo for sure, as opposed to possibly dying in one combo but probably two. Sentinel can already do 80% life iirc off B E jb jc je OTG super.

I can definitely see what you mean with Wesker and speed increases, though. Enough of a speed increase+already good teleport=Babby's First Unreactable Mixup into 100% damage. It seems to me that how retarded x-factor level 3 is depends on who's using it, like whether it's spencer only getting 15% speed and 90% damage increase, or x-23 getting 45/45, or whatever. A damage increase does make random super a rather large threat against your advantage of having assists, though.

Also, level 3 lasts too goddamn long, especially for those stat bonuses.

also apparently zero can activate his install and do j.h 2a for a really easy unblockable, plus he rapes advance guard anyway

[Frigiddeath]

Jesus, even if they're AGing? What super?

Dormammu has a lot of weird X-factor tricks I have been working on, but if I can kill a character before x-factoring I can cosmic catastrophe (stalking flare) xfc cosmic catastrophe xx dark hole xx chaotic flame with did about 65% to 70% chip with all advancing Guard on Ryu who has 1 million HP. I am not completely sure how advancing guard works yet, so I am not sure if there is bleed over period for the reduced chip between them. If you have to be able to AG all 70+ hits to reduce the chip then it will be slightly higher. Then you have a lot of the weird cosmic catastrophe teleport tricks thank to having increase speed.

There a lot of weird tricks you can get away with in X-factor and as the game gets more play I am pretty sure people are going to be doing shit way more crazy than just 100% combos. I was watching a stream last night with Flash Metroid and his Morrigan made me cry. Popped X-factor to astral vision and turned the entire screen into a bullet hell by throwing fireballs canceling into flight into another fireball. Because of weird back hit boxes you will always end up getting pushed closer to Morrigan if you block the back fireball even if you blocked the forward one. Once you get in range for Morrigan's astral vision mix up game you were pretty much done.

I can seeing stuff like that becoming more of a norm in about a month. I really could care less about Sentinel for the most part because so many character can easily kill him in 1 and half combos without xfactor. I think most people really hate dying to a guy who does such easy combos which take no practice and can kill almost any character in 2 combos. Once people get the hang of how to deal with him it probably won't be that bad to fight him. He will still have one of the best assist in the game so he will always be around, but at least people will be able to snap him in and run him over real fast and move on.

[Mightfo]

A BUNCH OF FRAME DATA IS UP FOR AH3~

http://arcana.mizuumi.net/wiki/Frame_Data

Has almost-full(a few of these lack things like noting special properties of moves, and petra's lacks frame advantage, and cath's is pretty barebones) frame data for Catherine, Elsa, Fiona, Kamui, Kira, Maori, Petra, Nazuna, Saki, Scharlachrot, Weiß, and Yoriko, as well as Flower, magnetism, Plant, and Water. (Also, it seems the frame data notes air unblockability by listing it as blockable only on "St/Cr", as opposed to saying it in the notes.)

Looks like within, say, a month, all frame data will be up.

Interesting notes:

-Goddamn, clarice. Her 5e is +2 on block. I knew that move recovered surprisingly fast. Her unheld slashes are only -1 on the ground(-7 in air..) and only have 9 frame startup. Her held slashes are 30 frames and are +20!!!(+27 in the air) Her 28 slash is +6/+27 on block, interesting.

-Clarice's 421A has brief upper body invuln. This also says it has 3 frame startup, but I dont believe that. 421B and C are +23/+19 on block, and C is invuln to throws from frame 1. B version has a large reflect window...?

-Clarice's dives have brief invuln and are +1/-1/+1 on block.

-Elsa's normals are almost all betwen -2 and +1.

-Kamui's 2c is only -1, and her 1E is +1. DEM SWEEPS

-Kamui's charged up 41236 is not only quicker startup, but +frames instead of very bad - frames.

-Kamui's [4]6C is a whopping +16 on block, for only 20 frame startup. Her moriya slashes are +6/6/7 on block. B is air unblockable.

-Kamui's parry is active from frames 1-14, except for the air version, which is 1-9.

-Kamui's air overhead special is throw invuln from frames 1-7/1-5/1-5. Interesting.

-Kira's 2c is -7, less than i expected.. Probably nice with her hugo clap, which is -2/+3/+6 and interestingly, has low invuln and thrown invuln at quite different frames depending on which version you use. Unclashable, too.

-I'm going to figure out how to fuck maori up when I understand her and her frame data, lmao.

-Nazuna's 623A is +3, 623C has some invinc.

-Saki's 5c is actually airborne from frames 2-13..anti-throw?

-Saki's [4]6 has lower body invuln during a portion of the active frames. Slightly + frames, too.

-Saki's [2]8 is quite different regarding invincibility and startup depending on a/b/c.

-Saki's [8]2 is immediately throw and low invuln, but the low invuln goes away until frame 8-25, unless i'm reading this wrong.

-You can cancel saki's 30 frame roll into homing/EFC after frame 18..?!

-Weiß's sword release is guaranteed after 6f.

-Yoriko's 236 specials have a bunch of invinc when powered up.

-A lot of fiona's normals/specials are - frames as fuck, but her "drill" special is +2/+5/+5. Still, I suspect she benefits a lot from having arcana that help her get meter for homing/super cancels for her specials.

-Fiona's uncharged 5e has 11 active frames. So, landed as a last-frame meaty, it's probably like +6. Also, that move only takes 27 frames to fully charge.

also i just realized in my last post i typed "j.h 2a" instead of "j.h 2l" or "j.c 2a"

Dormammu has a lot of weird X-factor tricks I have been working on, but if I can kill a character before x-factoring I can cosmic catastrophe (stalking flare) xfc cosmic catastrophe xx dark hole xx chaotic flame with did about 65% to 70% chip with all advancing Guard on Ryu who has 1 million HP. I am not completely sure how advancing guard works yet, so I am not sure if there is bleed over period for the reduced chip between them. If you have to be able to AG all 70+ hits to reduce the chip then it will be slightly higher. Then you have a lot of the weird cosmic catastrophe teleport tricks thank to having increase speed.

jesus fuck. Is that level 1 x-factor dormammu, or..?

Man, this game tests how much I enjoy chip damage, lmao. similar to umineko testing much I like guard breaks.

There a lot of weird tricks you can get away with in X-factor and as the game gets more play I am pretty sure people are going to be doing shit way more crazy than just 100% combos. I was watching a stream last night with Flash Metroid and his Morrigan made me cry. Popped X-factor to astral vision and turned the entire screen into a bullet hell by throwing fireballs canceling into flight into another fireball. Because of weird back hit boxes you will always end up getting pushed closer to Morrigan if you block the back fireball even if you blocked the forward one. Once you get in range for Morrigan's astral vision mix up game you were pretty much done.

Yeah, I saw Clakey D doing the morrigan astral vision soul fist "container" stuff. That was amazing. Is the FM vid up on youtube?

i laugh at the fact that they put ryu in the game alongside morrigan when it looks like all he has is tatsu A, hadou super, and easier damage over her

I can seeing stuff like that becoming more of a norm in about a month. I really could care less about Sentinel for the most part because so many character can easily kill him in 1 and half combos without xfactor. I think most people really hate dying to a guy who does such easy combos which take no practice and can kill almost any character in 2 combos. Once people get the hang of how to deal with him it probably won't be that bad to fight him. He will still have one of the best assist in the game so he will always be around, but at least people will be able to snap him in and run him over real fast and move on.

Yeah, I understand the sentiment/agree regarding sentinel.

On one hand I definitely enjoy fucking around with the game and teambuilding, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure this game is simply too crazy for me. I'll decide if I'll actually buy it in about 2-3 weeks I suppose.

ALSO FRIGID

Are you hosting this week?

Edited February 22, 2011 by Mightfo

[Mightfo]

the mystery of whether frigid is hosting or not

also more things about the ah3 frame data i forgot to mention:

-fucking..flower arcana's projectils is +36. 36 frame startup too though, haha.

-i did not realize magnetism's suction super was +12 on block! EF cancel could make it more like +20 too.

-plant's vines are just godlike. fucking godlike.

also, looks like morrigan and x-23 get great speed boosts and ironman does over double damage with level 3 xfactor. i win the x-factor game, hahahaha.

messed with marvel for about 30-40 minutes. looks like x-23 has nice fuzzy guard setups into 50% life(or more pressure~) with 1 meter.

[Ronin Jinobi]

also, looks like morrigan and x-23 get great speed boosts and ironman does over double damage with level 3 xfactor. i win the x-factor game, hahahaha.

messed with marvel for about 30-40 minutes. looks like x-23 has nice fuzzy guard setups into 50% life(or more pressure~) with 1 meter.

honestly x-23 with any meter is fucking dangerous/annoying. her neck slice infinite in x-factor is pretty cool too. basically a big middle finger to the enemies team if she's your last character and haven't used x-factor yet.

also guys. dante x-factor cold shower infinite makes me smile(mainly because the execution on that shit is uber tight X_X) Devil trigger leads to alot of interesting combo possibilities I'm screwing around with atm. Well that and bold move canceling :3

Edited February 23, 2011 by Ronin Jinobi

[Frigiddeath]

Unless something comes up I will be hosting this weekend.

jesus fuck. Is that level 1 x-factor dormammu, or..?

Man, this game tests how much I enjoy chip damage, lmao. similar to umineko testing much I like guard breaks.

That is with lvl 3 x-factor. Dorm's lvl 1 x-factor is only 130% so the damage would probably only be about 40 to 50% depending on the character, but I am not a big fan of using lvl 1 x-factor unless I know for a fact I am going to kill a major threat and probably seriously wound the next character in. So for the most team only Wesker is going to use a lvl 1 X-factor for now.

Edited February 23, 2011 by Frigiddeath

[zreb]

they changed the subtext on the noel forums from "how do i shoot"

i fucking quit

Edited February 23, 2011 by zreb

[Mightfo]

haha dante can combo into his j.236b and then into j.c j.e. OTG WITH 623A IN CORNER FOR MAXIMUM STYLE

also i like that he can charge his j.236b and it ends up with a huge stagger

also apparently tsubaki has an airthrow-glide like carl and litchi, didn't know that! platinum does too, but hammer only.

i played zreb on blaz online today for about 30 minutes. i astral'd him, but he also perfected me once.

lastly homework is a bitch. especially suddenly added homework

transient is borrowing my copy of ah3 till sunday since his still hasn't arrived(but yesasia is reshipping it) good thing i have marvel 3 here rented for when i want to fuck around in training mode before bed...

Edited February 24, 2011 by Mightfo

[Ronin Jinobi]

haha dante can combo into his j.236b and then into j.c j.e. OTG WITH 623A IN CORNER FOR MAXIMUM STYLE

also i like that he can charge his j.236b and it ends up with a huge stagger

(from whatever on the ground to air)...> j.C > j.236B > B > jc > j.BBC > j.E > Cold shower(3CCC) XX stinger(6C) > Bold move(CE) XX 623B623B > Million dollars(gotta cancel into it before last hit though)

...actually might be able to do devil must die if you time it right :OOOO

yeah i play around with dante a bit much XD

also full charge air play(j.236B) into cross up air dash H/land and then just do 2A ftw :3

[TransientFaith]

I shall swing by tonight to return said copy of Arcana so expect it!

Will not be making this weeks meetups. Dat homework/dentists appointment/fail owning me

[Mightfo]

I shall swing by tonight to return said copy of Arcana so expect it!

Will not be making this weeks meetups. Dat homework/dentists appointment/fail owning me

you don't need to, i won't really have time for it till sunday, thus i said sunday. you'd make better use of it.