Odds and Ends

[BagLunch]

It could be possible if he found a way to hit with the super, then call out the guy and then hit with it before the other person recovered. Mostly likely he'd need to tag the other person high in the air with the first one, then call out the guy and OTG 3x of the super.

My thoughts exactly.

The real question, though, is can you do a combo with FIVE or more supers...

... possibly the dam will be useful for this?

[Hyakuretsu Ken]

can't do 5 supers......... reasons would be: to waste time when time is over and your higher in life final round and you need to land a few more hits to win to give the finger to someone 4 times in a row. If it's the first round saving the super/s for super finger or dam counters (damn freaking 3 star stealer..........) or desperation manuevers would also be a good idea. As for tier rankings I would have to agree on most of them except I don't know about mamiya and souther tiers. Souther doesn't have the ammo and dagger restriction that mamiya has and he can add throws into his stupid star stealing setups while she can't. Note I'm not a souther fan at all and it would be great if mamiya outranked him but I just don't see it happening at all.

[BRUNO]

First question:

Roah is the best, then Shin and Rei are tied for second and third.

Second question:

Rei's -3 Star FKO combo from stage 4 Rei discussion:

C+D>6>2C>214C,214C>JB>Delayed air 236A/B> landing JB>A+C>air 236D>E>JA>236C+D

C+D>6>A+C>8A>236A/B>A+C>Boost JA>A+C>2369D>JB>236C+D

^ doesnt work on Mamiya and Shin, JB misses against Souther.

Last question:

Rei's -4 Star combo:

B+D grab>IAD JC>close stand C>C+D>E>close stand C>A+C>air 2363214+D

thanks a lottttt tianyuan2k4 !

0/**** stars it's with toki.

1/do you have more detail about the -3 stars +fatal ko > Boost JA or a video please ?!!

2/any combo movie of rei ???

3/white vs nax 6 at 00'44 what is the stratégie for doing cd6 / 2c/d/(236a+e=236e-a?)

because the timing is hard.It is possible to enter in contact with white please? or if a member of this famous forum know exactely the methode ? thanks a lot .

i search stratégie guide high level with juda same white ! who can help me?tianyuan2k4 ?

[BagLunch]

can't do 5 supers.........

reasons would be:

to waste time when time is over and your higher in life

final round and you need to land a few more hits to win

to give the finger to someone 4 times in a row.

If it's the first round saving the super/s for super finger or dam counters (damn freaking 3 star stealer..........) or desperation manuevers would also be a good idea.

I never said I wanted to do it because it was at all practical.

I'm not sure how it is that Raoh has such a good matchup with Toki.

A long time ago, we just thought it was because Raoh had such an easy time building up meter with blocked multipunches that he could almost always have an alpha counter in stock... but blocked multipunches are not safe, and nobody wants to get hit by Toki. On top of that, without charged DP or musou tensei, Raoh has no way to get Toki off him... if Toki manages to get in early, I have no idea what Raoh can do to get him off.

How is it that Rei matches up worse against Toki than Raoh? Is it just because Raoh really can take that much more punishment (which is irrelevant when Toki does the FKO beam), and Rei's increased crouching hitstun screws him that badly?

[CrimsonDisaster]

It's because Raoh spends the entire fight in the air where it's harder for Toki to kill him and easier for Raoh to random land a jB into 60-70%.

[BagLunch]

It's because Raoh spends the entire fight in the air where it's harder for Toki to kill him and easier for Raoh to random land a jB into 60-70%.

But can't Rei do the same?

Some of the vids posted on white's site show players consistently landing >70% combos with Rei off a jump-in/crossup against Toki. I'm not saying that Raoh can't do it, but what makes Raoh better at it than Rei?

[BRUNO]

the best damage combo in the game is rei !

[Koozebanian Fazoob]

Rei isn't really the 'best' for damage in that he can do the most, because half the cast has 100%'s. He's not the most consistant high damage dealer either because Toki takes that. As for Rei/Raoh VS Toki... I have no idea either. Rei has a DP and two good supers. Maybe there's something we don't know about the matchup.

[nohoho]

Gak my interenet connection has been up in the air lately.

Raoh gets the marks he does because the players that use him are so dangerous. Same with Mamiya -- if Nax weren't around she'd probably be at the bottom. He's managed to lift her up to the middle above Souther.

OT/FWIW: like I was saying earlier, in a similar vein Kokujin has been propping Dudley up in the ranks in Third Strike for years. If he were to retire there's no way Danna or Fujiwara or whoever could keep Dudley so high. (check out the july 22 ranbat @ gvision to see what I'm talking about -- dude was on fire that day - he smoked Nuki and Daigo)

3/white vs nax 6 at 00'44 what is the stratégie for doing cd6 / 2c/d/(236a+e=236e-a?)

tianyuan2k4 and I tried this the other day and we couldn't get it to work. I don't know what the deal is. I wanted to write a Juda strategy note (my sub-char after Jagi heh) but I haven't been motivated enough. Maybe after he's finished working on Shin, TY! would team up with me to do something for Juda.

Super-Geeky Analogy of the day:

HnK:yosohazan,dagar hit,yosohazan,yosohazan::FFV:bahamut,quick,bahamut,bahamut

[terrybogard]

I wonder where all the great thouther players went. He was on top earlier when the game was released. I'm still hoping someone boosts thouther up the charts. Maybe one reason is because thouther doesn't have 100% combo? Anyway, discovered something today (don't know if this is old news, but I haven't read it here): You can actually weak punch/kick Mamiya's helmet bomb and it will cancel out(you won't get hit). Also, but I'm not 100% sure, I think I also negated mamiya's ground straight arrow(haven't tried punching the air arrows yet) just by weak punching it. I'm gonna try and do some tests if I get the chance.

[Hyakuretsu Ken]

I never said I wanted to do it because it was at all practical.

Refer to Blood's post about the practicality. I merely listed some reasons on why that is all.

Rei and raoh do well because of their ability to start guessing games easily and have long combos with good star stealing abilities so they can pose some threat to toki. plus their air B attacks are quick for interrupting many things and crossup easier than certain characters. all their combos build meter easily too......

all the souther players got annoyed with hearing nanto bakuseiha over and over.....

you can see the cancel helmet attack in those nax vids. but most of the time nax or any other smart mamiya player would follow the helmet with AB, an arrow, or somethin else so you will get hit if you attempt to cancel it out.

[terrybogard]

all the souther players got annoyed with hearing nanto bakuseiha over and over.....

I don't know... I kinda like it :grin: . The opponent gets intimidated by thouther's repeatedly shouting nantobakusiha... and especially that laugh after spear move. He laughs hard whether it hits or not. So if you're against someone with a hot temper, chances are he'll screw up because he gets so pissed off. lol.

you can see the cancel helmet attack in those nax vids. but most of the time nax or any other smart mamiya player would follow the helmet with AB, an arrow, or somethin else so you will get hit if you attempt to cancel it out.

BTW, I got to try something today against mamiya. Yes, you can also hit her straight arrows(both high and low). So if she tosses a helmet bomb and follows it up with a low straight arrow, you can negate it with a 2A or 2B. You'll either negate the arrow or the bomb. In my case, its always the arrow... so the helmet pops up. But thats not really a problem... for now. At least when I negate it, I have an option to follow up with a long range move rather than being stuck in a block animation which will be advantageous to the mamiya player.

I have no luck punching those diagonal arrows from the air... >_<;

[tianyuan2k4]

He laughs hard whether it hits or not. So if you're against someone with a hot temper, chances are he'll screw up because he gets so pissed off. lol.

I enjoy using Souther's 236236C for that reason, Mhahahahahahahahahaha! I can't stop laughing whenever it hits.

Nohoho, let's have some Juda death matches after I come back from Otakon. Juda is really fun to play or play against. Check your PM, I am going to Kongman this Tuesday from 4 to 6.

BTW, Bruno, White is a Japanese player I believe. he is the top Juda player in Japan right now. We probably wont be able to contact him any soon but Nohoho might translate his strategies in his blog and make a giant Juda guide some day.

[nohoho]

Nax says he's going to post some Buuppa (Ken + Raoh) movies. It's been a long time since that guy has made an HnK vid appearance. Should be interesting.

BTW, Bruno, White is a Japanese player I believe. he is the top Juda player in Japan right now. We probably wont be able to contact him any soon but Nohoho might translate his strategies in his blog and make a giant Juda guide some day.

Yeah, heh, that's about the size of it. Between Arcadia, white's blog and buckets of Taji, Yurarix and white vids we have plenty of material to work with...

This be mighty OFF-TOPIC but I don't feel like wading into the SRK.com swamp to bring it up there:

Daigo vs. Aniken (SSF2T) movies. It doesn't get much hotter than this. Yah yoh!

ttp://members2.jcom.home.ne.jp/monmon999/gachiasadakai1.html

EDIT: oh

Anyway, discovered something today (don't know if this is old news, but I haven't read it here): You can actually weak punch/kick Mamiya's helmet bomb and it will cancel out(you won't get hit).

Everyone but Jagi! Dammit!!! Haha (well... 2D works)

[BRUNO]

BTW, Bruno, White is a Japanese player I believe. he is the top Juda player in Japan right now. We probably wont be able to contact him any soon but Nohoho might translate his strategies in his blog and make a giant Juda guide some day.

excellent and i will help you for test all combo in my house.

juda is very very strong for some reason for me :

- good anti toki

-many stars

- a lot of -3 stars + fatal ko

-fun game play

-cool style and top tiers fatal ko

and really a terrible warrior.

i will help you for the giant guide with a maximum details.

i am totally with you.

[tianyuan2k4]

In Japan, we have Mr.White, Taji-kun, Yurarix. In good o' America, we have Nohoho, Bruno and TY? Haha. Once I am done with Shin, I will focus on Yuda then. Just imagine Shin has two extra helpers, let's say Dagar and Comac. That's how strong Yuda is. Although Yuda doesn't have Shoryuken style invincible move to get out of oki, even without Aura gauge, he has "You Used Me?" guard cancel if the situation is really desperate to gain back some initiative. Juda has plenty of options in different situation, very nice.

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It was good back in the days where not many ppl were usin juda.

[terrybogard]

I enjoy using Souther's 236236C for that reason, Mhahahahahahahahahaha! I can't stop laughing whenever it hits.

Same here. I love using the spear follow up. Even if its really not worth the extra aura meter. I just love how thouther slowly brings out his spear and toss it to the opponent. Reminds me of what he did to shu in the anime. ^_^

Everyone but Jagi! Dammit!!! Haha (well... 2D works)

Really?! Poor Jagi... getting the short end of the stick most of the time. =(

With regards to Juda, IMO one of the reasons why he's really good in this game is that he can lay down traps(comack bomb and dagarl uppercut). Traps that can interrupt his opponents momentum if they are not aware of them. I noticed this in most of White's matches. I fought a good Juda player here. He uses the traps as shield when he gets into a tight situation. Not to mention that Dam super into a charged banishing, That's hard to get out of if you don't have an aura stock available.

[BagLunch]

Well, Yuda was a good character to begin with: back when the game wasn't so well understood, he had tons of lame tricks that worked shockingly well while nowadays he has tons of nasty tricks that work shockingly well. Well, around here, anyway.

[nohoho]

Mhahahahahahahahahaha!

That's cool but it seems like the prudent thing for Souther is to use the super bar exclusively for guard cancels.

-nohoho (<- party pooper)

[Koozebanian Fazoob]

That's pretty much the fact of life when playing as Thouther. You either spam that GC or use the DP super if you can see shit coming.

[Koozebanian Fazoob]

Watch the newest video on White's blog and tell me that isn't the craziest crossup you ever saw. Edit: Okay, I THINK what he did was 66E 9 44 1B 6E. Yams yams yams

[AtTheGates]

there is a slightly different matchup chart in the new tougeki damashii:

toki     x 6 6 7 6 6 8 7 7 8   61  +16    S tier
rei      4 x 6 5 4 7 8 8 5 8   55  +10    A tier
raoh     4 4 x 5 6 6 5 6 7 6   49   +4    |
ken      3 5 5 x 4 5 5 5 7 6   45    0    |
yuda     4 6 4 6 x 5 4 4 4 7   44   -1    B tier
shin     4 3 4 5 5 x 5 6 6 5   43   -2    |
thouther 2 2 5 5 6 5 x 6 6 6   43   -2    |
mamiya   3 2 4 5 6 4 4 x 6 6   40   -5    C tier
heart    3 5 3 3 6 4 4 4 x 7   39   -6    |   
jagi     2 2 4 4 3 5 4 4 3 x   31  -14    |

edit: next week i got access to a scanner, if someone who can read japanese wants to translate the explanations for the tiers, write me.

highlited matches in the magazine are: rei vs, heart, toki vs. shin, ken vs. raoh. theres also a section with small boxes for vs. strategy against all chars.

[Hyakuretsu Ken]

i would have agreed with tougeki's rankings until I saw Ken outranking juda and shin....now that is just wrong.......... if you're good with mixups then souther's bar can be used for his Houou Kotou Kaiten speedup super. think of yun genei jin tactics.

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white release 5 new matches.