The [Newer!!!] NorCal Thread! - BB, GGAC, HnK, FUC, Touhou, and Other Sad Life Games!

[qwerty]

there's no problem with people having fast internet, lol.

the problem is when people purchase dedicated servers (which nobody's personal internet can compete with, unless you live in sweden or japan) and prevent anyone else from seeding. and for what? a 50:1 ratio on demonoid? the world isn't big enough to contain my laughs. it's almost as if these people never learned how bittorrent works and just want to see a number go up (actually, this describes the general attitude of private trackers very well, lol).

Also, boxtorrents hasn't been account-only for quite a long while even back before the name change

goes to show you just how long ago i stopped caring about torrents, lol. if you wanna go private, ftp is where it's at.

[magz]

Let's try get back to the root of the discussion here.

qwerty: Fuck torrents.

Spiritjuice: You should use them for your anime you scrub (because streaming from animedreaming is an even greater evil than torrenting).

qwerty: No way bro. Let me use this argument which really doesn't refute your argument in any way, shape, or form in my attempt to look l33t. (insert complaints about private trackers)

In other words, your argument is shit. You are tossing the baby out with the bath water and letting some unrelated issues from your past cloud your judgement.

Private trackers, ratios, and seedboxes have nothing to do with getting your PnS fix off TT/Jishaku from public trackers rather than shady stream sites which only serve to line the pockets of said stream site owners (not talking about CR/ANN/Hulu here).

[qwerty]

shady stream sites which only serve to line the pockets of said stream site owners

do you think i don't noscript and adblock animedreaming? lol

also, if you think people aren't making money off of torrent trackers, lol.

No way bro. Let me use this argument which really doesn't refute your argument in any way, shape, or form in my attempt to look l33t.

and this is what it comes to, really. i'd much rather just wait until a series is finished and get a public torrent from tpb or something than join boxtorrents again for slightly faster download speeds- and then get kicked out for "not sharing".

just replace boxtorrents with whatever tracker is considered good these days and i don't see how i haven't made myself clear. private trackers are retarded. they're only better than public ones in the content they provide (which is becoming more of a non-issue with each passing day) and public torrents suck because they take forever to download, even with a good seedbox or two.

[KatanaDash]

summary of the last few pages:

Qwerty: i am an elitist asshole who refuses to use a common tool to get my anime, for reasons no one else can understand

everyone else: Qwerty you re being an elitist asshole, there is no good reason to use shady streaming sites over torrents.

in summary Qwerty, stop being a tool, torrents are just an other way to get anime. Plus I don't know what you are talking about, I have never had trouble finding an anime from a public tracker, some really old and bad anime are a little tricky to find its true, but anything worth watching is pretty easy to find with a simple search on animesuki or tokyotosho.... and you should buy your anime when you can any way.

in summary you are all scrubs who need to get jobs and buy your anime! or stream it off legit cites where you can be sure the creators of the anime are being paid for their work.

[qwerty]

how am i the "elitist" here? everyone else is calling me a scrub for streaming anime

[ehuangsan]

why not just watch off youtube or nico? that's 100 times easier.

[qwerty]

youtube takes shit down

nico might work once i don't need subs anymore

[Arvoyea]

how am i the "elitist" here? everyone else is calling me a scrub for streaming anime

I don't remember doing that, so there's one, if I actually count around here.

[magz]

do you think i don't noscript and adblock animedreaming? lol

That argument might fly if your very existence wasn't a walking advertisement for them.

also, if you think people aren't making money off of torrent trackers, lol.

Ad revenue, sure. But the fact of the matter is that shady streaming sites directly cut into the profits of legitimate streaming sites more so than even public anime torrents.

just replace boxtorrents with whatever tracker is considered good these days and i don't see how i haven't made myself clear. private trackers are retarded. they're only better than public ones in the content they provide (which is becoming more of a non-issue with each passing day)

Private trackers for anime don't really exist because the public trackers (boxtorrents included now) suit the needs of downloaders just fine.

public torrents suck because they take forever to download, even with a good seedbox or two.

That's funny. I seem to be able to get 2+mb/s albeit off an RSS feed download.

how am i the "elitist" here? everyone else is calling me a scrub for streaming anime

the problem is that nobody knows how to use torrents. and those who do are on private trackers running seedboxes, which makes it impossible for anyone not seeding through them to seed at all; and thus, entirely defeating the purpose of torrents.

read: I know more than you do about an unrelated subject.

Edit: inb4qwerty uses the "haha I was trolling all along" card...

Edited November 14, 2010 by magz

[qwerty]

That argument might fly if your very existence wasn't a walking advertisement for them.

shrug, fair enough. any publicity is good publicity, as they say. at the same time, you're hardly any better for promoting torrent sites. :P

Ad revenue, sure. But the fact of the matter is that shady streaming sites directly cut into the profits of legitimate streaming sites more so than even public anime torrents.

proof? anything from anime publishers, market research groups, anything?

plus, let's not get into "donations", and the bandwidth saved from people spending their own money on seedboxes.

Private trackers for anime don't really exist because the public trackers (boxtorrents included now) suit the needs of downloaders just fine.

glad to hear that. private trackers were a plague on the filesharing community for years; the sooner they're gone for good, the better.

That's funny. I seem to be able to get 2+mb/s albeit off an RSS feed download

assuming that's not your maximum download speed, you'd be able to get much better from a dedicated ftp server. and if that is your maximum download speed, chances are you're leeching from a dedicated seeder.

read: I know more than you do about an unrelated subject.

how are you reading that? it's most certainly related because it's been one of the biggest problems facing filesharing for quite some time now; it was also one of the biggest reasons private trackers took off in the first place (people being ignorant of the bittorrent protocol's tracking of share ratio, even on public trackers, and adjusting download speed accordingly). and, i've given you the benefit of the doubt that you know a thing or two about the subject.

just to make it clear yet again: my distaste for torrents comes from the fact that they are SLOW. the reason for this is twofold; internet scrubs not knowing how to leech and seed properly, and retards buying dedicated servers to transfer files over a protocol designed for low bandwidth connections. the latter will make torrents a bit faster overall, but they could just as easily host their files via ftp which absolutely destroys bittorrent in terms of efficiency (efficiency they can clearly afford since they have a dedicated server).

i realize that there are many things that you can only get through torrents; it's not like i NEVER torrent anything EVER, i just prefer a direct download or stream when it's available because it's much faster on average.

[magz]

proof? anything from anime publishers, market research groups, anything?

Just think about it logically using crunchyroll as an example. They offer simulcasted (or really, really quick afaik) subbed anime. Piracy will always be a factor so long as media is offered digitally. But what about the viewers who a) are too lazy to torrent b) prefer streams because torrents are too slow c) don't have the space d) don't want to wait for fansubs.

This small portion of the viewership is being cut into deeply by streaming sites like the ones you promote. Admittedly torrents aren't much better, but I'd still put them a step above random people making free money off of streaming sites while at the same time reducing the userbase of proper streaming sites even further.

assuming that's not your maximum download speed, you'd be able to get much better from a dedicated ftp server. and if that is your maximum download speed, chances are you're leeching from a dedicated seeder.

implying you can always saturate your connection from a dedicated ftp server without doing exactly what BT does and split files into parts to facilitate multiple connection downloads

how are you reading that? it's most certainly related because it's been one of the biggest problems facing filesharing for quite some time now;

implying that download speed isn't directly affected by how fast/much you upload

The first part is a blanket statement you made seemingly out of spite. Then you go on to try tie in the negative aspects of private trackers into public trackers when, in fact, it works the exact opposite way in that seedboxes provide parts at an accelerated rate which increases availability and thus overall distribution effectiveness and download speeds.

just to make it clear yet again: my distaste for torrents comes from the fact that they are SLOW.

Only if you either a) have shit internet or b) are torrenting something that should probably not be torrenting eg: random old videos on a poorly seeded torrent.

the reason for this is twofold; internet scrubs not knowing how to leech and seed properly, and retards buying dedicated servers to transfer files over a protocol designed for low bandwidth connections. the latter will make torrents a bit faster overall, but they could just as easily host their files via ftp which absolutely destroys bittorrent in terms of efficiency (efficiency they can clearly afford since they have a dedicated server).

So, in a public bit torrent setting, you're saying that the reason why torrents are slow is because they have seedboxes on them? You're also implying that, because something has the capacity for all varieties of low-end computers, that it's somehow designed solely around that. FTP vs. BT in (bandwidth) efficiency is really not even an arguable subject.

Take for example a release that has 5000 initial downloaders. On a standard seedbox with a 100mbit connection you can upload at most at 12.5MB/s. Split among 5000 people all downloading from the same FTP you will get about 2.5KB/s if my math is correct.

Efficient my ass. Maybe if you had 10 initial leechers and you all took turns and assuming the server doesn't just die from being hammered by that amount of connections.

[Spirit Juice]

Apparently Alex is forgetting that BT's purpose is that it's a P2P program. One person downloads from the seedbox, and then that one seed torrent becomes two, and starts to grow exponentially. The point of a seedbox is to just have one seed to start off with so that others download, seed, and share. Having an FTP would be stupid in this case. Why would you host the file on your FTP server and then have all your bandwidth raped in a day? Using a seedbox in that situation makes no sense.

Torrents aren't always slow, so I'm not sure where you are getting that from. Yeah, a torrent will be slow if there's like... only one or two seeds, but with a lot of seeds, downloads go pretty fast. It's like saying some jew stepped on my Air Jordans, and now I hate all jews because they are jerks.

Anyways!

>alex: "torrents are slow"

>goes to tokyotosho

>downloads 720p sub in 5 minutes

>my face

The point of private torrent sites and tracking your share ratio is to make sure that assholes don't just come in, download a bunch of shit, and then leave. I mean, the purpose of those sites is to share with everyone, and when you don't, you deserve to be kicked cus you're an asshole. You wouldn't want to be friends with someone that just comes into your house after you invite them over, eats all your food, doesn't even say thank you, and then leaves, right? It's the same idea. If people are sharing with you, you're expected to share back. I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

ANYWAYS POINT BEING IS THAT TORRENTS ARE NOT SLOW IF YOU DOWNLOAD TORRENTS THAT ARENT DEAD AND DONT STREAM FROM SHADY WEBSITES

[qwerty]

This small portion of the viewership is being cut into deeply by streaming sites like the ones you promote. Admittedly torrents aren't much better, but I'd still put them a step above random people making free money off of streaming sites while at the same time reducing the userbase of proper streaming sites even further.

this is an arbitrary distinction at best.

put down your pitchfork, because there's simply no moral high ground in this argument at all. the fact of the matter is, we're all exploiting the legal gray area of most anime not being licensed outside of japan. and if you think any torrent site is not AT LEAST breaking even due to ad revenue and donations, you're insane. if you want your pirated anime, you're going to have to live with the fact that regardless of how you're getting it, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, is making money off of it.

implying you can always saturate your connection from a dedicated ftp server without doing exactly what BT does and split files into parts to facilitate multiple connection downloads

could we please not resort to using the i word? it brings down the level of class in here.

so i had a pretty long post written out, but i realized that most of it was stuff that aj either already knew or was simply not going to budge on.

but, i want to make it clear that i'm not saying bittorrent has no practical application or that torrents are inherently bad; actually, the bittorrent protocol does what it's supposed to very well. the issue is that people of all levels of technical knowledge fail to understand how they're supposed to be used; from the scrubs who don't know that you have to seed to get good download speed, to the dicks who spend money to prevent you from seeding on private trackers- none of them get that torrents are only useful (and superior to everything else) when everyone seeds. because of excessive leeching (in part due to seedboxes not letting people seed), the asinine ratio policies of many trackers, and the generally terrible community of file sharers who take as much as they can while giving as little as possible, i have mostly given up on torrents.

while it still baffles me that anyone would consider spending money on a server to seed torrents instead of directly hosting files, i'll just leave the subject alone since i've already gayed up the norcal thread once again for too many pages anyways.

(we're still friends, right? )

[KatanaDash]

don't worry if gaying up the forums was an offense that would make people hate you, the dokin-chan avatar crew would have been banned years ago...

[Yggjrasil]

I was positive that Blade was banned for doing so... :/

[[TRM]tenkai-45i[xTF]]

don't worry if gaying up the forums was an offense that would make people hate you, the dokin-chan avatar crew would have been banned years ago...

Don't hate.

[magz]

(we're still friends, right? )

No. You ugly.

[Kijiyama]

so I just wasted my time on 3 pages of irrelevant shit looking for something other than dakanya's response to my post about doing something last week or even this week (slow week again at work). As much as arguing about torrent constitutes sadlife I'll guess I'll say host something at SJSU SU so I don't have to play with happ?

[sakabato24]

...So, the moral of all this was that DL your anime, it'll come out like this?

Wait, wtf? Something is not right with my DL version of Ore...

:D JK, but hey, the debate was, to say the least, interesting.

[Honnou]

norcal faggot factory at full production speed

[Spirit Juice]

(we're still friends, right? )

Shyamalan twist: YOU NEVER HAD FRIENDS ALL ALONG

[STenSatsu]

I was positive that Blade was banned for doing so... :/

Blade would probably be banned for exceeding the limit on being in sigs.

[ehuangsan]

Is this what you morons do on a Saturday evening? Geez. Sadlife indeed.

[qwerty]

no ernest, you missed it. last night, i was playing cvs2 with sean- on the internet.

[Honnou]

How busy is this week looking for everyone?