West Coast Canada IV: "Ah yes, 'Guilty Gear' - we have already dismissed that game!"

[sweetvids]

Well given on gamefaqs, the tiers are determined by the most "fuck this character is cheap threads" with nigs like Diedara being one apparently. One dude claimed to have gone 44/12 online with Diedara just by mashing on B the entire time.

But yeah, Sage Naruto with his fox form is apparently really good, as well as Minato. A counter to Itachi though supposedly are ranged characters. Like I said, we probably just don't know enough mechanics to get around it since most of the thread replies to "itachi is cheap" is TURN DOWN THE SUCK, TURN UP THE SKILLS.

[Saru Kada]

well I mean, he's got a great ground string that can be hard to assist/punish properly. his dash seems to be fully invincible like minato's teleport because he turns into crows. as far as range is concerned fireball is only decent, but he's got some sort of chakra shuriken combo (may be a support drive). and "TURN DOWN THE SUCK, TURN UP THE SKILLS" is, as far as I'm concerned, not a valid counterpoint to susano'o. it only does four hits so even turbo substitute is not going to do much for you, and even ray didn't figure out any way to deal with it.

as far as mechanics go we pretty much have everything down - the game's not exactly guilty gear in terms of technical skill, and none of what exists helps against susano'o. he's immune to ninjutsu, ignores hitstun, his B melee chain counts as ranged so you can't substitute behind him, and running away doesn't work because he still retains his chakra dash. knj cancelling, arguably the highest level technique in the game, is useless thanks to aforementioned immunity.

I'd like to see this supposed superiority ranged characters have when susano'o is raping them in the face - I mean, I can see how, in general gameplay, ranged/turtle characters have an advantage, thanks to mashing on substitute marginalising the role of ground strings. but unless the best ranged characters are so much better than itachi that they can maintain a significant (>50%) health buffer prior to itachi going apeshit on them with susano'o, it really just seems like people talking air on forums, whereas we collectively spent several hours getting fucked in the face with a giant flaming sword.

sometimes cheap characters are just trashy noob-killers (mashing with raphael in socal comes to mind), but other times cheap characters are actually, well, rather cheap - especially in a game like this where I'm pretty sure balance was not an overwhelming priority for the designers.

tl;dr:

I'm still fairly convinced that itachi is top tier; I think the gameplan with the greatest chance of success is:

1. drop itachi's hp to just above awakening

2. sandbag until you have awakening

3. awaken

4. beat down itachi so hard he doesn't have a chance to awaken. watch out for BROTHERLY LOVE ruining your shit. if he does, you'll at least be on equal footing (kind of).

ostensibly this would also work well against other characters that have really strong awakenings. the question is, will matches between similarly high tier characters end with both of them turtling at low health, waiting for the other to knock them into awakening?

[geogaddi]

i only have to say

IKIMASU YO

[sweetvids]

Well Mike, clearly Naruto is serious business since we are discussing it such detail. http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/narutoshippudenultimateninjastorm2/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-56883685&pid=982706 according to nigs on gamespot, you spam jutsu.

I think we were going about it wrong. Gotta think of it like Zappa summoning Raoh where the best defense in this case is offense, before and after Itachi awakens. Get him to low enough health and don't let him awaken so that even if he does awaken, you'll be able to kill him before he kills you. But yes, why the fuck are we even making tl;dr posts concerning this shitty game?

Saint Seiya understandable, because the game is balanced like JoJo's where everyone has an infinite and everyone pretty much has the same moveset.

[Superking™]

i only have to say

IKIMASU YO

Go where?

[Saru Kada]

yeah after a couple of games with gerod the viability of regular jutsu quickly made itself known as it's the option of choice after substitution, punishing bad techs, really far chakra dashes, etc

it's really only serious business for us because we (or at least I) enjoy dissecting things in great detail. we'll forget all about naruto in two weeks anyway when kinect comes out wooo

lol at saint seiya 'balanced'. aren't aquarius and orpheus top tier?

[Superking™]

Speaking of motion controls, I'll just leave the PS Eye and moves at your place Mike since I have no space for using them and have no current use for them at the moment. Can't think of anything I could play at the moment.

[sweetvids]

Aquarius and Orpheus are only top tier amongst us. Brazilians can pretty much play anyone jajaja. But yeah, pretty much everyone has an infinite. It's just that Aquarius and Orpheus are able to do more without having to have 2-3 bars of meter. As well as Scorpio and Aphrodite are quite good since they both have freezes much like Aquarius. But everyone has their own shit. One of the Ikki Pheonixes has the super fast punch super which punishes alot of things. Leo has really good uppercut which he can use to reset his combos. Gameplay strat is basically the same amongst most characters. Turtle, charge to max, then unload big combos when the other guy fucks up.

[Superking™]

So those two guys would own any of Will's preferred characters?

[sweetvids]

Will's characters are pretty useless without meter. Harder for them to get in, but can deal big damage combos.

[Press]

lol wtf random black guy

when was akicon?

Lol whut, I thought you had no interest what so ever in going

[Superking™]

Oh ok, are said infinites easy in SS or something?

[sweetvids]

No not really. They're not even true infinites but more like ultimate combos that are long and some require timing. More effort than Clarence than I are willing to put in.

Also funny thing, mike type in Clarence on your iPad.

[Saru Kada]

I don't, but I needed the date for reference if people were thinking of coming by

type in clarence in what, the browser?

[sweetvids]

It shouldn't matter. The autocorrect will say Clarence, and the woman's voice will say Clarence and it will be hilarioence.

[geogaddi]

http://i.imgur.com/f0RTM.png

pretty much; note UBC = PARTY and WEED far right

[Cardinal_Sin]

in case you havent' gotten enough naruto ninja storm talk

For me Itachi / Sasuke is like Sentinel / Commando, while random nig / Sakura is like random top tier / Psylocke. Although visually you'd think sasuke = psylocke and sakura = commando, sasuke assist is ridiculously good for everything except comboing, just like commando ... you can zone with it, counter call, spam it at semi-random to force a way in / out. Whereas Sakura leads to more comboability for like, everyone.

and Itachi is just sentinel because he turns into an awesome motherfucker of a giant and does everything he should not be allowed to do. He might not be the best but I really don't think it's worth the effort to figure out what's better than stomping the shit out of people at 40% health.

[sweetvids]

You know what we haven't tried? Itachi vs itachi. I mean sentinel vs sentinel is a good counter.

[Superking™]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/koei-tecmo-live

Looks like the new Shin Sangoku Musou is using the HNK engine, so 30fps, but it looks nice, though I'm guessing as boring as every other Musou game.

[ToastCrust]

http://i.imgur.com/f0RTM.png

pretty much; note UBC = PARTY and WEED far right

I laughed when I saw TASERS.

I'm a terrible human being.

[rtl42]

lol who made that.

Yuan: which university are you at, Ottawa or Carleton (or some other one)?

[Saru Kada]

haha PARTY

yeeeeeah new sangoku musou. hopefully it play as fast as the old ones on the hnk engine as opposed to hnk itself.

and wow, autocorrect has a voice?

[MrDolphin]

lol who made that.

Yuan: which university are you at, Ottawa or Carleton (or some other one)?

I'm at Carleton. It's weird, for being in the capital both the major universities here are pretty small.

[BagLunch]

in case you havent' gotten enough naruto ninja storm talk

For me Itachi / Sasuke is like Sentinel / Commando, while random nig / Sakura is like random top tier / Psylocke. Although visually you'd think sasuke = psylocke and sakura = commando, sasuke assist is ridiculously good for everything except comboing, just like commando ... you can zone with it, counter call, spam it at semi-random to force a way in / out. Whereas Sakura leads to more comboability for like, everyone.

and Itachi is just sentinel because he turns into an awesome motherfucker of a giant and does everything he should not be allowed to do. He might not be the best but I really don't think it's worth the effort to figure out what's better than stomping the shit out of people at 40% health.

So which one is Cable

[sweetvids]

I would have to say he is one of the range characters if any. Difference about this game is that it's more like MvC1 with those chumps that just do assists like Secret Agent or Juggernaut or the console version of Street Fighter Vs X Men.

Apparently Ino is really good too since she can spam alot of shit, has exploding proximity mines and her Chakra Shurikens poison. Sounds like Storm, filling the screen up with shit.