Arizona "Arcsys Release Dates Give Us Erectile Dysfunction", Thread

[Hateraid Red]

all the players thus far have been trash too (for p4u)

[ThienKieuTam]

Yup I sucked. Need more experience.

[Theupstreamer]

Yeah I knew something with revelations was up when level up wasn't streaming it. And then kof got canceled and cross tekken got its pot reduced by ninety percent. I was so right not to go there lol.

[Valthazeryus]

Yeah I knew something with revelations was up when level up wasn't streaming it. And then kof got canceled and cross tekken got its pot reduced by ninety percent. I was so right not to go there lol.

Yeah. That $5,000 to $500 drop surprised me.

[Greyvangelist]

wow wasn't even streamed? I thought there were some big names there though.

[Robawtninja]

Whoa whoa whoa. From 5k to 500? KOF canceled? Wtf happened? I heard something about the Tournament Legacy manager (who runs Revelations) screwed over Team Hori in money.

[Robawtninja]

No what Ray means is that LevelUp didn't stream it but Haz did. So he smelled that something was fishy from the get go, since it would make more sense for LU to do it.

[Chumaralupa]

Well Ray knew that Haz was streaming it for a long time now, half the reason he pitched the idea to go to me in the first place was due to that fact. I reserved the hotel awhile ago and it was non-refundable so I couldn't cancel. Anyways I got some match-up experience with Kanji and Teddie, all I learned was that Teddie is gay.

Justin, most of the P4A players weren't anything special, us included but there were some that stood out, an Elizabeth named Motempest, a Naoto named Bond, and this guy Kasou who provided an excellent display of why Mitsuru is the best character in the game. There was also a pretty decent Teddie, who I was playing a lot against, and ComboFiend's Shadow Labrys inspired me to practice a bit more with that character. I really wanted to get some tips from some Aigis players but there weren't any, the only guy who was messing with her was maining Yosuke instead because his Aigis "wasn't ready". Anyways, casuals were a lot of fun once they got rolling, but I wish I had known there were some more poverty hotels around, probably could have saved some money.

Edited August 19, 2012 by Chumaralupa

[Hateraid Red]

Bond looks really solid. I was really impressed when I first saw him on WNF or something like that. i watched motempest, but he didn't seem special. he knew combos and he guessed right with a throw or dp with thanatos... not much you can do with a character like elizabeth to surprise me. I wish there were more things that could be done with elizabeth to add some flavor, she's extremely boring to watch.

[Ryuuka]

Sadly, I think most Liz players are already jumping ship for more solid characters after realizing that she is, in fact, not very good.

[Hateraid Red]

i wouldn't say she's bad .. but she is definitely a all-in kind of character. you're either going to destroy somebody or get destroyed yourself

[Robawtninja]

Well she does have those instant kill supers and death combos that could make it exciting, which I don't think any Liz player is capable of doing now. Ruben I'm surprised James Xie wasn't there. He's been winning all WNF with his Aigis.

[Synthesis]

i wouldn't say she's bad .. but she is definitely a all-in kind of character. you're either going to destroy somebody or get destroyed yourself

No, she's just bad. She only ever lands hits if the enemy makes a mistake. She can't pressure, certain characters can outzone her, she's heavily reliant on her Persona, which is extremely susceptible to dying if she's trying to score hits etc....

And those IK setups/combos are impractical minus the one that I found 2 days ago. That one is all sorts of AMAZING though.

[Omegashrimp]

What the hell happened at Revelations? The stream is still not up.

Did John Nelson act like a scumbag to Haz too?

[Ryuuka]

I don't think Liz is awful, but I do feel that she is lacking in many areas.

[Hateraid Red]

No, she's just bad. She only ever lands hits if the enemy makes a mistake. She can't pressure, certain characters can outzone her, she's heavily reliant on her Persona, which is extremely susceptible to dying if she's trying to score hits etc....

And those IK setups/combos are impractical minus the one that I found 2 days ago. That one is all sorts of AMAZING though.

I really think you're exaggerating a bit here. she only lands hits if the enemy makes a mistake? uh... isn't that how everyone lands hits? are there unblockables or something I'm missing out on? she can definitely pressure... from almost full screen, mind you. the rest is true, but with certain strengths, come weaknesses. It's what makes this game so good. I don't see anything particularly bad about anyone.

The only thing that makes elizabeth "bad" is that she gets a train run on her by mitsuru, the undeniably best character in this game; but having one bad match up does not make the character shit tier overall.

[Zeromus_X]

Ruben I'm surprised James Xie wasn't there.

A lot of SoCalers couldn't come because the original schedule was inconvenient for them (until it got delayed by six hours...).

Shoutouts to Ruben for driving us and GGs to Dave, Stayfree, and others. Good shit to Bond for taking P4A and repping Naoto.

Edit: Oh hey, GGACR release slated for October: http://andriasang.com/con29x/guilty_gear_home_version/

Edited August 20, 2012 by Zeromus_X

[Synthesis]

I really think you're exaggerating a bit here. she only lands hits if the enemy makes a mistake? uh... isn't that how everyone lands hits? are there unblockables or something I'm missing out on? she can definitely pressure... from almost full screen, mind you. the rest is true, but with certain strengths, come weaknesses. It's what makes this game so good. I don't see anything particularly bad about anyone.

The only thing that makes elizabeth "bad" is that she gets a train run on her by mitsuru, the undeniably best character in this game; but having one bad match up does not make the character shit tier overall.

What I mean by she doesn't land hits unless they make a mistake is worded incorrectly. She only lands hits if you become impatient. The zones she controls are directly in front of her and directly above her. The recovery on these zoning options is what makes her bad. Agi/Zio can be super jumped and airdashed over with plenty of time to punish for a counter hit if you see/call the start up. Her 5C pressure is beaten by being patient. Sit there and block it and react to her slow as all hell command throw with 5D. Her biggest mixups come from OMC cancels point blank, but she doesn't want to be there. I land hits if they poke out against Thanatos full screen, if they jump directly above me etc... whereas everyone else has unblockables/high-low mixup/cross ups etc... they can use to score hits. And while getting hit by those things is also making a mistake, they aren't the same thing that I'm talking about: they can't be beaten simply by blocking low patiently. You have to respond to them properly whereas you only need to do that against 5D.

Granted I do have a lot of damage if I land one of those hits (plus amazing oki) all of that is lost and I'm at a disadvantage if they burst or guard cancel. Elizabeth's neutral game is a tad weak against a decent amount of the cast, and Elizabeth has some of the worst matchups.

Her bad matchups include Mitsuru, Shadow Labrys, Teddie and to an extent Aigis and Yu (haven't played the last two matchups) These aren't just 5.5-4.5 or 6-4 matchups: Mitsuru and Teddie are 7-3 and the hardest matchup I think I've played in a long time (minus I-No v. Slayer/Eddie)

While I may have exaggerated a little bit previously (everyone does) she's still an awful character. But she's fun and there's new tech being discovered for her, so I'll stick to it.

[Chumaralupa]

Apparently, for similar reasons why LevelupSeries didn't stream Rev, Xie didn't show up along with many other big names, just support issues.

Well, I was hyped for the GG release until I read that the initial release will be just GGXXAC, I'll wait to buy it once it gets patched to R.

GG's blah blah.

[M19Kamikaze]

I've been reading the SRK thread about the whole ReveLAtions event and organizer and I'm just like, "woooooooow." Pretty much, anything you read about it is accurate and there's even an interview about starring the 'wonderful' John Nelson himself. Simply amazing.

I'd say something like, "My first out of state tourney ended up like this... " but if not for the BB and P4A guys (and one girl Teddie player) it'd have been a complete waste. Got to see (the remains of) Arcade Infinity, though, so I'm satisfied overall with what DID go right.

Oh well. Shout outs to Ruben being a boss for driving us out and blowing my mind with Ajisen; Erik for paying $2 parking; Chris for exposing the P4A community with that damn tornado super; and Haz for streaming and yomi contracts, lol. Shout outs to AZ, period.

[Hateraid Red]

Where's the new match up chart for this game? because I was under the impression that the 3 worst match ups (close to 7-3 or 7-3) were mitsuru > elizabeth, shadow labrys > yukiko, and elizabeth > kanji

I haven't found a chart besides that but I've been looking.

[Synthesis]

Where's the new match up chart for this game? because I was under the impression that the 3 worst match ups (close to 7-3 or 7-3) were mitsuru > elizabeth, shadow labrys > yukiko, and elizabeth > kanji

I haven't found a chart besides that but I've been looking.

That's all we have that is concrete right now. Shadow Labrys, Teddie, Yu and Aigis are bad matchups, but we don't have solid numbers. Teddie is an awful AWFUL matchup, though. Liz likes people at mid-range, which is where Teddie can absolutely punish everything she does. 5B will just destroy her and on CH wall sticks for corner knockdown (awful defensive options) whereas Teddie has great rushdown and oki. We don't want Teddie on the other side of the screen either because of his items and the pain and suffering he inflicts with those. Super jump Items into airdashes etc... and we can't control that zone at all. Fire goes away if we get, so if he super jumps he can airdash in while we recover from Agi. Our 2B loses to all of his air attacks minus his j.A at our max range.

It's a bad matchup, but we don't have concrete numbers yet.

[Greyvangelist]

GGXXAC and THEN +R? Oh well, I won't get a change to for real play it until probably like November anyway

[Hateraid Red]

You play liz, I don't. So, I trust that it might not be the BEST match up. However, it's still really early to judge just HOW bad it is. I'm still getting hit by random AOA's and losing to characters who apparently suck dick. So, I'm not trying to say anything is concrete right now. I know elizabeth gets harder to win with once the match up has been learned, but elizabeth is still very solid. I haven't seen a character yet who doesn't look scary at high level.

[Theupstreamer]

I told you motherfuckers I had a bad feeling about revelations.