Arizona "Arcsys Release Dates Give Us Erectile Dysfunction", Thread

[LegendaryRath]

Ok so... If there's guard point on frame 1 of his DP then u can't frametrap it... Also I'm reading on the frame data page that just came out and it says his command grab has invincibility frames?! On all of them! Can't frame trap invincibility moves...

any move where you aren't on the ground will do. You can't grab someone who's in the air. Mitsuru's 4B comes to mind (only because I play her). There's got to be something else out there that works.

[Robawtninja]

Not sure if this counts but just use a persona attack... You'll lose 1 card but get a free punish of your choosing. I really don't see why people think his DP is so good. It doesn't even have a hitbox... literally,

Doesn't matter if he doesn't have a hitbox, which he does that's how you get hit if you get close to him. It's how guard point activates on frame 1 making it impossible to safe jump and you get electrocuted for even touching him at all. Also the DP itself does a hefty amount of damage and puts shock on you which can turn games around. In comparison with other DP's, his out right beats everyone elses in just raw benefits and risk (not including super canceling and all that). Funny thing is if you somehow activate his guard point yourself and not get hit, he stays invincible all the way through the end of his DP.

And hmm, my definition of frame trapping must be different then.

Edited October 2, 2012 by Robawtninja

[Hateraid Red]

his weak one has invincibility? well then fuck it.

let's roll some dice

I've come up with a few things like meaty 5C on wake up... has great range and i won't risk getting dp'd and mashing raging lion against scrubby kanji's until they respect me.

that's some advanced meta game shit right there. I'll forever have a problem against even the most poverty grapplers. /norespectmode activate

Edited October 2, 2012 by Hateraid Red

[Ryd']

All three have throw invincibility on startup, which doesn't matter where frame traps are concerned since they'd fall under the throw protection window you get on leaving blockstun. The D version gets full invincibility from 3-27. I don't know about fucking with that.

[Hateraid Red]

btw, by frametrapping, I meant things like delaying gatlings just slightly or using certain gatlings that only have a few frames between, but it looks like I was hoping for a bit too much.

[Robawtninja]

btw, by frametrapping, I meant things like delaying gatlings just slightly or using certain gatlings that only have a few frames between, but it looks like I was hoping for a bit too much.

So I was thinking the same thing afterall. If it's just throw invincibility then frametraps should work I guess.

[Hateraid Red]

I guess. Need to practice the match up more in general

[Valthazeryus]

I remember at this one guy's birthday party at his parent's house, he was like "dood, imma raep peeps at SFxT!" then I told him about Persona and then he was like "dood, mitsuru dildos and lowteer akihikoz soundz kewl" and ever since that day... he played Yu.

[Hateraid Red]

I was drunk, you can't hold that stuff against me!

[Valthazeryus]

You're the worst liar ever. Lol.

[Chumaralupa]

Yeah Kanji's DP is gay, his and Teddies are un-safe-jumpable by Aigis. Yosuke's is theoretically possible but pretty much impractical.

Just play the mid-range game against Kanji, in my case I'm pretty sure I'm just going to play Shadow Labrys.

[Ryd']

So to all those people who hated GGAC Testament, I hope you're happy with the changes, 'cause I know I sure as hell am. They made him dirtier to the point where I almost feel unclean at the prospect of playing him. Who thought it was a good idea to let him curse on block?

[Valthazeryus]

Who thought it was a good idea to let him curse on block?

Whoever the bullshit designer for Arakune was.

[Theupstreamer]

are we talking about phantom soul or poison?

[Ryd']

Curse is curse, poison is poison. FB Phantom Soul will curse on block. It also has homing. For extra lols, it will not hit crouching opponents, but will hover above their heads. Testament basically forces you to block it by tossing out an overhead since just getting cursed is generally better than eating a combo and then getting cursed anyway. This shit's gonna be retarded once Testament players really start working perma-curse in with teleport mixup and the new dual Beast corner game. Testament's defense game is weaker, but his offense is going to be scarier than ever.

[LegendaryRath]

I don't have any GG experience, so I can't contribute anything to the conversation other than "That game looks kewl, dood".

Kanji's DP is very good and can help turn things around for him, but in general it's useless against anyone with match-up experience. Typical grappler stuff in that respect. It's hitbox is just his body, so if you get hit, you were either pressing too many button's or he just timed it well. And yes! It's annoying as fuck that it lasts so long, but that only means it's easier to punish on reaction. It gives you time to use a persona attack as bait and recover to use your strongest fatal (in most cases). It's also pretty damn easy to tell when you can punish it. I don't know about you, but I have a damned hard time punishing Yosuke's sometime. I just can't tell just from the animation. You're all right, kanji's DP is absolute bullshit in a lot of cases but it's so easy to go around. Some of it's real strength lies with the fact that he just has it as an option, even if he never uses it (but most Kanji's will use it... a lot)

[Hateraid Red]

You're the worst liar ever. Lol.

In my defense mitsuru still looks cool and we already have akihikos! Im a team player... right ...?

on another note; anyone willing to get in games this week before hazem's? I'm trying to figure out if I should attempt to host again from like 6pm -11pm

Edited October 2, 2012 by Hateraid Red

[LegendaryRath]

in my case I'm pretty sure I'm just going to play Shadow Labrys.

I haven't gotten a chance to play against you yet. You play Aigis and Slabrys? Neato

Against kanji I would recommend Aigis. She can keep him out very well with 2B and other things, which also happen to destroy his persona whenever he uses it (and trust me, he can't get easily without it). Just go for a persona break and then get into orgia and kick his ass. He can't really do anything then, even use his DP.

We should play at Haz's or something next time, if you can make it. I was pretty bummed that I didn't have the chance to play many people outside of the tourney last time.

EDIT I guess I'll gave to try and make it to one of the casuals.

[Synthesis]

In my defense mitsuru still looks cool and we already have akihikos! Im a team player... right ...?

on another note; anyone willing to get in games this week before hazem's? I'm trying to figure out if I should attempt to host again from like 6pm -11pm

If you're down to play some netplay, we could do that. I need to get some more practice in with my new alt. >:3

[Theupstreamer]

I'll go to Justin's any time

[LegendaryRath]

I'll go to Justin's any time

Same here, except any time is actually any time before 10ish

Synthesis, we should play online sometime. I don't mind netplay, especially since all of you guys have an AZ connection. I've never had as many 4s as with you guys.

[Synthesis]

Same here, except any time is actually any time before 10ish

Synthesis, we should play online sometime. I don't mind netplay, especially since all of you guys have an AZ connection. I've never had as many 4s as with you guys.

But Liz v. Mitsuru is gay, and so is Liz v. Kanji, albeit in different ways. And I can't play Mitsuru lest I force you to play Kanji, which is also a gay matchup. So I'd use my current alt, which has gay matchups against those characters as well.

I'll be on tonight at 7:30PMish if you want to play. Just let me know.

EDIT: Gay.

[Ryd']

Ted, forever be unable to settle on a character.

[Theupstreamer]

I remember going to justin's basement at his old place years ago to play blaz.

And then peter's drunk ass rolls in with 30 carl's jr. dollar sandwiches.

[Robawtninja]

Justin I'm down as usual.