Leo7 Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) despite the nerf, w5b is probably still one of the best anti-airs in the game lolol (actually, is there a better one now? still a 7 frame anti-air). forgot to mention. faster recovery on 2b feels way better, and it's a lot safer to stick out as a poke now. still slow overall, but you can probably use it to low profile under more things now. and 6b(1)+6B(2) > 5c > tk mondlicht doesn't work on relius because tk mondlicht will whiff on him crouching. I can do all the CS 1 stuff more or less but I'm having some trouble with the (w)5B > j.A > j.B > 3C > j.A > (h)2C > 6C pick up in the corner. I keep dropping it at the (h)2C part there- is there a special timing or something I have wrong with the notation for wolf 3C or something? omit the first j.A so you do (w)5B > jB > 3C > jA > (h)2C. you CAN add the jA i think, but you'd have to really delay the jA after the 3C in order for that to work, and it'll probably only work in the corner on the majority of characters. midscreen you should do (w)5B > IAD > jB > 3C > jA > (h)2C > 6C to get the right spacing for everything. you can omit the IAD on characters with big hitboxes midscreen, and you can omit it in the corner (delay your jA a bit if you do), but it's better to keep things consistent with the IAD. Edited December 7, 2011 by Leo7
BatousaiJ Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Hum. I didn't even know people dashed in wolf form outside using C and 236/214x stuff. I'll give it a try, thanks.
Sahgren Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 despite the nerf, w5b is probably still one of the best anti-airs in the game lolol (actually, is there a better one now? still a 7 frame anti-air). forgot to mention. faster recovery on 2b feels way better, and it's a lot safer to stick out as a poke now. still slow overall, but you can probably use it to low profile under more things now. If Tsu's 2C hasn't been nerfed, it might be better now. I'm glad that the 2B buff is noticeable. I like 2B, but the recovery always makes me grumble when I whiff with it when trying to catch a roll or the like.
goldenxservbot Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) Its not even a matter of me being this omnipotent being that tells people that they suck. The point of being recorded or to become good is to take in criticism...ALL criticism in a good way. Most of these guys are here because they want to...well you know its obvious... *tier whore* Now most of you are talking about his 2b, 2b was rare to see if thats your main game then youre doing something wrong with him. The only thing anyone should worry about is maintaining that wolf form fuck his human. Learn not to mash that fucking speed button and try too hard to be "fancy" this goes to everyone on here the videos ive seen have been taking in with mixed feelings. The only instance you should worry about his human shit is when on the corner when pushing for easy damage which is all of his damage. His human form moves that should be of anyones concern is his 6A, 6C and for the little his Rozen, the two kicks, and 2c. Thats it, fuck you need 2b Edited December 8, 2011 by goldenxservbot
Guardian Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Now most of you are talking about his 2b, 2b was rare to see if thats your main game then youre doing something wrong with him. The only thing anyone should worry about is maintaining that wolf form fuck his human. The only instance you should worry about his human shit is when on the corner when pushing for easy damage which is all of his damage. His human form moves that should be of anyones concern is his 6A, 6C and for the little his Rozen, the two kicks, and 2c. Thats it, fuck you need 2b Everything about this is wrong. When properly spaced, his human pokes are FANTASTIC, that's part of why he's so good. If he only relied on wolf to be effective then he would not be as good as he is. Making people guess on instant j.C is what sets up 2B so well. You can't always be in wolf mixing up because you're very susceptible to 5A/2A counter pokes. When you have 50%, human becomes just as scary as wolf. Wolf form combos are what push you to the corner; human gets you damage and great starters. Your game should not rely solely on 2B, but to neglect it is to nerf a huge part of your game. If criticism is going to be taken in a good way, then it should be conveyed in a good way. You can't just say "you're random and you need a lot of work" and expect everyone to be all happy and sunny about it. If people really wanted to tier whore, they'd play Hazama or Makoto in this game. Neither of them have bad matchups; Valk has trouble with several.
OrionXElite Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Its not even a matter of me being this omnipotent being that tells people that they suck. The point of being recorded or to become good is to take in criticism...ALL criticism in a good way. Most of these guys are here because they want to...well you know its obvious... *tier whore* Now most of you are talking about his 2b, 2b was rare to see if thats your main game then youre doing something wrong with him. The only thing anyone should worry about is maintaining that wolf form fuck his human. Learn not to mash that fucking speed button and try too hard to be "fancy" this goes to everyone on here the videos ive seen have been taking in with mixed feelings. The only instance you should worry about his human shit is when on the corner when pushing for easy damage which is all of his damage. His human form moves that should be of anyones concern is his 6A, 6C and for the little his Rozen, the two kicks, and 2c. Thats it, fuck you need 2b Yeah saying fuck human form is extremely ignorant to the overall abilities of the character. If Valk didn't have amazing Human normals, his defensive options would literally be nothing. He wouldn't be able to play footsies against characters like Litchi and Ragna and he wouldn't be able to deal with pressure from characters like Bang and Noel. Playing against Bang is hard enough cause Nails will effectively shut down Wolf mode but if we didn't have the option to do anything about pressure resets or call out his mixups with 6A or out footsie him with 5C, it would literally be impossible to beat Bang. So you can't call a MAJOR part of the characters design a useless feature. Cut the arrogant act and try to present arguments in a civil way. I don't care if its "criticism" or "calling it like it is", the arrogant attitude is 100% unnecessary to make your point.
NickExtreme1 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Its not even a matter of me being this omnipotent being that tells people that they suck. The point of being recorded or to become good is to take in criticism...ALL criticism in a good way. Most of these guys are here because they want to...well you know its obvious... *tier whore* Now most of you are talking about his 2b, 2b was rare to see if thats your main game then youre doing something wrong with him. The only thing anyone should worry about is maintaining that wolf form fuck his human. Learn not to mash that fucking speed button and try too hard to be "fancy" this goes to everyone on here the videos ive seen have been taking in with mixed feelings. The only instance you should worry about his human shit is when on the corner when pushing for easy damage which is all of his damage. His human form moves that should be of anyones concern is his 6A, 6C and for the little his Rozen, the two kicks, and 2c. Thats it, fuck you need 2b If "try too hard to be 'fancy' " means wolf mix-up and movement, then I have lost hope in the human race
Guardian Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 definition of "fancy" please. Fancy-When you have hair done, nails done, everything did.
Sahgren Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Fancy-When you have hair done, nails done, everything did. I thought that was Fabulous. I was always under the impression that Fancy was when you show up to tourneys in a suit and tie, and speak strictly in formal English.
Leo7 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 fancy's when i'm fucking feeling myself, and i attempt to go for a sick read/combo, but end up just exposing myself.
goldenxservbot Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I thought that was Fabulous. I was always under the impression that Fancy was when you show up to tourneys in a suit and tie, and speak strictly in formal English. If "try too hard to be 'fancy' " means wolf mix-up and movement, then I have lost hope in the human race definition of "fancy" please. Yeah saying fuck human form is extremely ignorant to the overall abilities of the character. If Valk didn't have amazing Human normals, his defensive options would literally be nothing. He wouldn't be able to play footsies against characters like Litchi and Ragna and he wouldn't be able to deal with pressure from characters like Bang and Noel. Playing against Bang is hard enough cause Nails will effectively shut down Wolf mode but if we didn't have the option to do anything about pressure resets or call out his mixups with 6A or out footsie him with 5C, it would literally be impossible to beat Bang. So you can't call a MAJOR part of the characters design a useless feature. Cut the arrogant act and try to present arguments in a civil way. I don't care if its "criticism" or "calling it like it is", the arrogant attitude is 100% unnecessary to make your point. You guys are the ignorant ones you guys know damn well what i mean by fancy. Fancy is when you guys try too hard to do one of the combos you guys saw in those hima videos and fail to do and get blown up. At least Leo admits it ive seen nick and orion try also all who have had hilarious end results. As far as the wolf mixup thing and pressure, what in the hell do you mean by footsies and pressure in human form? Did you not read my post or did you decide to reply for the fuck of it? The point of playing valk is to maintain the wolf form active throughout the entire match. AS i had said previously there are only minor certain instances where you have to be in human and thats during combos not for "footsies" if youre this concern when playing against ragna, litchi and bang then I have lost all hope for you.
Leo7 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) I was being facetious with my last post goldenxservbot if that wasn't obvious (along with a few other posts). I'm not even doing fancy combos and I rarely if ever go for fancy resets. I was serious when I said I kept things simple and I usually go for really easy/stable confirms. Seriously, if you watch any recorded vids of me (only a few), none of the combos I go for are hard at all. LK's completely correct when he says Valk combos are "loose" and only a few combos truly require any sort of precision (i.e. 4 cannon combos off throws, w236B > 2c~5c > IAD jB > delay jA combos, flug link after sturm, all of which I never try to do in serious matches and the 4 cannon combos I did vs SuperScience really aren't hard tbh). Mind you I still dropped the easy combos cause lol I'm a scrub? I don't even think Hima is that fancy :/. Edited December 8, 2011 by Leo7
Sahgren Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) I do have to question why you think that human form isn't worth using. His pokes command terrifying amounts of space (5C is half the freakin' screen horizontally) and lead into good damage with guaranteed corner carry on counterhit/crouching. With 50 meter, he gets a mix up at least on par with wolf mix up off of all jump cancel-able normals, and any non-multiple 2A starter leads into at least 3k. It's certainly not like he's lacking in options. Ignoring half of a character isn't good practice; it's just unnecessarily limiting your own options in a match. Even if his human half wasn't as good as it is, it'd still be best to learn all your options with that portion of character and keep them in mind in case they provide a better solution to a situation than his "better" half. Edited December 8, 2011 by Sahgren
Guardian Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 The point of playing valk is to maintain the wolf form active throughout the entire match. AS i had said previously there are only minor certain instances where you have to be in human and thats during combos not for "footsies" if youre this concern when playing against ragna, litchi and bang then I have lost all hope for you. Have you even played this character before?
Kiba Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 I was going to make a point against the Servbot. Then I realised it's futile. Why are you guys even responding? Lol.
Kiba Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 I s'pose that's an entertaining way of looking at it.
Lord Knight Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 omnichoke, lol pretty sure he wanted to play makoto since she was announced in cs1
Leo7 Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 goldenxservbot's pretty amusing, and this board is pretty inactive so whatever. mash that wolf.
NickExtreme1 Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) You guys are the ignorant ones you guys know damn well what i mean by fancy. Fancy is when you guys try too hard to do one of the combos you guys saw in those hima videos and fail to do and get blown up. At least Leo admits it ive seen nick and orion try also all who have had hilarious end results. As far as the wolf mixup thing and pressure, what in the hell do you mean by footsies and pressure in human form? Did you not read my post or did you decide to reply for the fuck of it? The point of playing valk is to maintain the wolf form active throughout the entire match. AS i had said previously there are only minor certain instances where you have to be in human and thats during combos not for "footsies" if youre this concern when playing against ragna, litchi and bang then I have lost all hope for you. Ok usually I am chill with the people here but enough is enough. Every post you have made in the Valkenhayn R. Hellsing forums has either been directly or indirectly demeaning to the other posters here. You need a refresher course in the forum rules: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/faq.php See 4, 10, and 11 because thats where you are going wrong. Your posts get infracted and deleted from now on if I don't like them, you been warned by both Orion and myself already once. No more warnings now. Edited December 9, 2011 by NickExtreme1
NickExtreme1 Posted December 13, 2011 Posted December 13, 2011 If anyone wants to see me get bodied by LK at NECXII early morning casuals, here you go: I actually did better against him in tournament when I played with a pad instead of a stick :D
Sahgren Posted December 13, 2011 Posted December 13, 2011 Ouch, you were shut down pretty thoroughly there. How did you do in NEC as a whole?
NickExtreme1 Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Ouch, you were shut down pretty thoroughly there. How did you do in NEC as a whole? Won against MikeNapalm's Hazama first round, lost to LK second round, lost to a random Ragna player third. I expected worse for my first major, but I did pretty well in casuals other than the LK match. Sorry for the late reply, just finished finals and now have my freedom back for a month.
Leo7 Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 So our local arcade got Ex today ... Been playing it a bit more. The Joker ender feels easier to do for some reason (i.e. super jump w[jA jB jA land 5B jA jA jA jB 3c jB]). Also, human Gold Burst option select for those who don't know already (credit to LK for suggesting it): Meaty 2A~5B/2C~6A So you do a 2A which will either gatling to 5B or 2C (your choice), and if it whiffs due to the Gold Burst, your 6A should come out and autoguard the Gold Burst. You can't actually punish the Gold Burst on recovery, but you're in slight frame advantage.
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