[CS2] So, the Hazama forums..

[Zidane]

EDIT: THE EFFECTIVE FORUM CHANGES WON'T TAKE PLACE FOR A WEEK OR TWO. THERE HAVE BEEN ONE OR TWO POSTS ABOUT ASKING FOR WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE.

1) ANYONE CAN PM ME BEFORE HAZAMA FORUMS GET RE-DESIGNED IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS

2) PLEASE CONTINUE POSTING WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE

Are a mess. There are several threads I want to delete, 3-4 of them I want to combine and make an updated combo list. The problem with all that is that CS2 is coming out in a few months (for arcade anyway) and will (most likely if there are no drastic changes between last loke test and dec 9) radically change how Hazama plays.

I need to know from the people that actually play Hazama or atleast browse this forum if they would like things to start being updated now for CS1 or would want to wait for CS2.

Note that if the majority votes CS1, I would have to go out of my way with time and effort for a lot of combos since this thread is severely lacking and probably have to bother others for recording equipment. I have no problem with it as long as people actually want to learn them for like the next month and a half.

Edited November 2, 2010 by Zidane

[Black Onslaught]

It's probably better to wait for CS2, imo.

Most of the combos for CS1 have been invalid since CS2's first loke test, so there's no point in updating them considering the loketest's radical change of Hazama.

Then again it'd probably be alot easier to just dump the current threads into archives and start from scratch with CS2 shit. Whatever makes it easier on you, bro. Just nice to see we've got an active mod in this kinda character subforum dump.

[Zidane]

I'd agree to wait for CS2 but there are several factors i'm worried about:

1) As of right now America cannot get CS2 for arcade. I talked to fubarduck about it at SB:R and that was his response. He would have to wait to see the system to see if... something can be what, hacked or whatever to work in America.

2) We don't know when CS2 hits consoles. There is no confirmation the patch will hit consoles Dec. 9th.

So what if the patch hits conolses like 2-4 months later? That would mean 4-5 more months of Hazama CS1. That would be a good time for more people to learn. AND AT THE SAME TIME people would be watching japanese matches trying to figure out / learn CS2 Hazama. So yeah.

It could go either way for updating for CS1 or CS2. Just would like some other thoughts on the matter as well. But thanks for your opinion

[Black Onslaught]

I never considered that it would be difficult to get CS2 for arcade/console, actually.

There was a thread on it, but it got kinda shitty and I passed it over.

but honestly looking at it from that type of perspective, eh.

It'd probably make more sense to continue to work on what we have, and just prepare for CS2 whenever we get it in our hands, though. Then again it's a whole 'nother issue if scenes decide to run vanilla CS over CS2, too.

[Warhound]

It'd be better if we could wait for some CS2 stuff, but I guess if it's really going to be that difficult and there are no promises of us getting it on Dec 9th, I would be better to continue stuff for CS1. But either way sounds like it's going to be a pain in the ass to do.

But the point is to clean up the Hazama forums right? Even if the patch does come Dec. 9 that's still another month of this forum being a mess, and thus more difficult for any beginners to start learning. I guess I'm not sure what you're going to do as far as the combo section goes and why it takes so much time on your part. Could you specify, please?

[Zidane]

Because most of Hazama's combos involve the opponent at a specific height or distance and delaying attacks.

For example, I have relaunch combos off command throw, back throw, 214DC and Hotenjin for every character that can be relaunched. I could type them all up and i'd bet 75% of this forum couldn't do one of them. Not cause they're "hard" but because I can't type "Ok so you delay this move for X about 10 frames shorter than delaying it for Y" or whatever. It's dumb. I would need to go into training mode with recording equipment and upload the combos.

[Eclipse]

I see. Honestly, I think it's best to wait for CS2 at this point. Even if it takes a while for us to get the patch. I'm sure a majority of people will be watching japanese arcade matches, trying to learn the changes. Even though we won't have the game with changes in front of us, I believe we can learn enough via observation, etc.

And finally someone took initiative on this. I've mentioned it before in other threads. But yeah, this section is a mess. It definitely needs to be cleaned up. I'm so sick of people coming in who have no idea what they're talking about and creating threads, and cluttering up the forums. Nonetheless, a clean-up for CS2 would be very nice. Props to the good idea Zidane.

[Tetra - K]

Ok, I'm new here so well, I don't know which is the policy here regarding gestion of forums.

But isn't it possible to create a new section in Hazama forums called for exemple "CS2 Hazama" where guesses on future gameplay can be posted (and combos for thoses who can play the arcade versions of cs2 in some months from japanese arcade version). And when CS2 is out in US just delete the old CS1 section.

Don't know if you see what I mean.

[Zidane]

@Tetra: I'm sure I can make a CS2 Hazama section but i'd rather not until CS2 actually comes out Dec. 9.

This is my personal opinion so I don't mean to offend but I honestly hate guessing on how a character might play based on loc tests. I think it's pretty stupid. Now, I have no problem making a Hazama General Discussion thread in which those things can be discussed if you and others really want to.

[Tetra - K]

Now, I have no problem making a Hazama General Discussion thread in which those things can be discussed if you and others really want to.

I think the point wouldn't be to guess how hazama will be played but to calm down whiners which flood topics with useless posts like "omg they killed my hazama" or "wtf arksys is so lame, we must burn them and make a strike". I think good players talking about future gameplay is a good thing for beginners (like me for example).

[g.Bauer]

Better wait until we have some CS2 vids / reliable info or we might get people crying again.

I like the initiative tho.

[Warhound]

Is there any way we can organize it to prepare for CS2? Because the main issue here is that the Haz forums are a mess, so while we can't do a major overhaul we can at least do something.

[Zidane]

I'm working on organizing the forums now / over the next few days / whenever i'm not lazy.

Also, I can't comment on how Hazama might be in CS2 based off loke test changes. Even if they were the final changes I won't know until I play him. People thought top tier in SF4 were pretty much top in SSF4 too. Then it was the rise of Abel, etc. The only thing I / anyone can do to stop those people is to either

a) ban them

b) troll them to stop

c) logically convince them to stop

d) tell them to post in the general discussion thread.

[Klaige]

Just wait for CS2, we all know once a newer version of any arc-sys game comes out, the players that matter pretty much stop giving a shit about the old version, even if the new one is not readily available in America yet. I personally say archive all the CS1 shit into a general thread or two, (I.E. CS1 Basics/Strats/Combos/Gameply and CS1 Matchups [just merge em, once CS2 is out we'll need new threads for matchups anyway])

My two cents. Then again I haven't modded here in 4 years.

[DaiAndOh]

Just wait for CS2, we all know once a newer version of any arc-sys game comes out, the players that matter pretty much stop giving a shit about the old version, even if the new one is not readily available in America yet. I personally say archive all the CS1 shit into a general thread or two, (I.E. CS1 Basics/Strats/Combos/Gameply and CS1 Matchups [just merge em, once CS2 is out we'll need new threads for matchups anyway])

My two cents. Then again I haven't modded here in 4 years.

Good times...being new here.

I think you should at the very least clean things up, and create a basics/beginners guide you are satisfied with. Make the new players that come here have something to fall back on and make your forums look presentable. What you do regarding CS1 vs CS2 I can't say I know. If I were in your shoes, I'd see how long it'd take me to sort the above out.

If it would help, I can lend you my capture card if that would motivate you.

[mikenapalm]

I actually forgot to talk to you about this yesterday. As much of a pain it would be I'd like to at least like to create an all inclusive thread. A thread that would break down everything for Hazama and have it all on the front page. BBCS just got released in EU this month if memory serves and Australia next month. So there might be more people coming here to get info on playing him. I think it would be a good idea for archive purposes as well not knowing when we'll get the CS2 update for console.

I'd be more than willing to help you out with getting the data together and may be able to get some recording equipment to get the combos recorded.

[advancedNoob]

Combos and clean ups are nice, but, imo, this forums needs better match ups strategy organization. I visited those sub-forums for several characters I play and found them to be filled with garbage talk, so even If there is useful information, I couldn't find it.

Would be nice to see a non-discussion thread that has only valuable information in one post, summarizing different approaches, counters, baits and character specific combos.

P.S. Nice to see best PSN Hazama being a mod here!

[nstalkie]

BB:CS is still not released in Europe btw... They said October, but it got pushed back. And it doesn't matter if BB:CS is released over here, when the balance patch is released, those versions will also be patched at the same time.

Personally, I wouldn't invest too much time anymore in the CS1 Hazama stuff, especially if it would take you a long amount of time. It would be nice if we had an official BB:CS2 update release date though.

[quiche]

I agree it would be nice to combine some of the threads just to reduce the clutter in the forums. But as a beginner, what I found lacking here was a guide that really told you how to play Hazama, in the sense of general strategies and tips. Having the combos and frame data is nice, but it helps if you also just have a guide that gives you a feel for the character. The Carl forum has a pretty good one.

[Zidane]

Anything I do won't happen for another week or 2 so I can set things up. If you have any questions, even about how Hazama plays, feel free to PM me and i'll do my best to answer them.

[Choconyo]

It'd be nice to see an updated, clean combo list, but I don't think it'll be worth it if it's too much time-consuming. It might be better to wait at least until we hear more about how CS2 Hazama plays.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Sorry couldn't help but notice this thread, I would have to disagree with klaige, making one thread for ALL of hazama's cs1 shit is a recipe for disaster. I'm not exactly sure the general intelligence level of hazama players on DL because he's not easy to learn. If you don't have any info about cs2, wait and see what happens, it's not going to kill you to update the current hazama cs1 bnb and etc.

Based on the haku forums only just creating a general discussion, I would suggest only making one if you're finding discussions in different threads going off topic into miscellaneous. Otherwise, a general discussion thread would only be disastrous, and no point of a cs2 speculation thread, create a cs2 combo thread when vids come out of the final product.

Hopefully my input helps.

[Zidane]

So i'm going through the process of updating the forums now. Didn't plan on it but might as well start so it won't have a lot of updated info but it'll be more organized.

I plan on moving all threads that are gonna be deleted to the archives for a day or 2 so people that want to copy certain things, do it in that time.

I REPEAT, I'M MOVING THREADS TO THE ARCHIVES FOR A DAY OR TWO. IF YOU WANT TO SAVE ANYTHING FROM THERE, DO IT QUICKLY CAUSE I PLAN ON DELETING IT.

[g.Bauer]

GJ on the new thread. Really clean stuff.

About the vids thread... you wanna move it and start a new one or do you want me to keep updating it? I know it's been a while since I last updated it but heck we haven't seen good hazama vids lately as much as we used to see.

Edited November 5, 2010 by g.Bauer

[Zidane]

I wouldn't mind if you / other uploaders don't care.