[CS2] Hakumen Proration Information

[Spark]

Here are the proration values from the Japanese Hakumen boards.

http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45148/1289451583/980

I'll check the combos from videos and see if they match up.

5A　　　350　　85　　84

5B　　　590　　90　　89

5C　　1110　 100　　92

2A　　　300　　85　　84

2B　　　450　　80　　86

2C　　　950　　90　　92

6A　　　620　　85　　89

6B       590x2　　50　　90

6C(Lv1)　　1300　 100　　92

6C(Lv2)  1600　 100　　92

6C(Lv3)  2000　 100　　92

4C　　　     700　　80　　89

3C　　     1200　　90　　88

j.A　　　     320　　90　　84

j.B　　　     590　　90　　89

j.C　　　     900　　90　　89

j.2A　　     980　　80　　75

j.2C 　    1000　　90　　92


5BC:  1600 90*100 100*55

4BC:  1500 90*100x2 100*110*50


5D:  1400  100  45

2D:  1100  100  45

6D:  1400  100  45

j.D:  1600  100  45


Gurren                560　100　　89

Enma                  860　　90　　75

Renka(1st hit)        830　　90　120

Renka(2nd hit)        860 　    65

Zantetsu(1st hit)    2430　　90　　80

Zantetsu(2nd hit)     550       94

Hotaru　              1500　　90　 92

Tsubaki　             2200　　70？　90？　(120% Bonus prorate?)

Shippu　              4000　 100　　60

Yukikaze            　3800　　33以下

Assuming the data is accurate.

Buffs: Old > New (DMG = Damage, 1P = Initial Prorate, 2P = General/Combo Prorate)

5A DMG: 180 > 350

5A 1P: 80 > 85

5C 1P: 85 > 100

2A DMG: 160 > 300

2A 1P: 80 > 85

2C 1P: 80 > 90

2C 2P: 88 > 92

6A 2P: 85 > 89 (Maybe?)

6B DMG: 290x2 > ?x2

4C DMG: 600 > 700

4C P1: 60 > 80 (Wow)

j.A DMG: 220 > 320

j.A P1: 80 > 90

j.C P1: 80 > 90

j.C P2: 70 > 89 (Maybe?)

j.2C P1: 85 > 90

j.2C P2: 87 > 92

2D DMG: 1020 > 1100

6D DMG: 0 > 1600

Hotaru DMG: 1250 > 1500

Renka(1st hit) 2P: 100 > 120 (No longer bonus prorate?)

Tsubaki: Now has 120% bonus prorate (Maybe?)

Nerfs:

5A 2P: 95 > 84

5B DMG: 620 > 590

5B 1P: 90 > 80

5B 2P: 92 > 89

2A 2P: 90 > 84

2B DMG: 600 > 450

2B 2P: 88 > 86

2C DMG: 1030 > 950

6C(Lv1) DMG: 1440 > 1300

6C(Lv2) DMG: 1740 > 1600

6C(Lv3) DMG: 2140 > 2000

j.A P2: 85 > 84 (Rounding issue?)

j.C DMG: 980 > 900

j.2C DMG: 1070 > 1000

5D DMG: 1700 > 1400

j.D DMG: 1610 >

All Counters: Down to 45 total prorate(?)

Enma 2P: 85 > 75

Renka(2nd hit) 2P: 75 > 65

Tsubaki 1P: 85 > 70 (Maybe?)

Update 1:

This information looks correct assuming Hakumen's character combo rate is 60%.

Edited March 17, 2011 by Spark

[ryokoalways]

Those changes are actually pretty smart. Thanks for posting.

[mAc Chaos]

What do you guys think of these changes? Any conclusions we can draw from them?

[Spark]

The P2s for 5A and 2A will make using them multiple times for hit confirming worse, but this won't effect starting a combo with 2A or 5A because of the better P1 you'll still get about the same damage as before. So punishing things with 5A and 2A will still be fine, but they don't want you or at least they're trying to discourage you from using 2A or 5A after stuff like 2B, j.2C, j.B etc. to hit confirm into 214B or whatever.

I'm also wondering if they made 5B better in anyway, because stat wise they've only been nerfing it. Maybe it will hit everyone crouching at max distance?

Oh Hakumen's character combo rate is 60% going by the damage from combos using the provided proration data.

Edited December 17, 2010 by Spark

[ryokoalways]

I think they nerfed 5B mainly to make 5C a more desirable move.

You can say 5B got buffed in the sense that you can link into it from 5A now (maybe 2A?).

Relative to general changes in cs2, meterless damage is better, poke meter combos are worse, and corner damage is about the same.

[Spark]

I need to check if tech time takes character combo rate into account, because if it doesn't Hakumen could have some really long combos.

[ryokoalways]

It doesn't.

And yes, there are really long combos. Corner combos should return at least 2 magatamas this time around.

Edited December 17, 2010 by ryokoalways

[mAc Chaos]

Long combos, as in longer than the ones in CS1?

[Spark]

That's good to know, also you wouldn't happen to know if the 6C levels are considered different attacks? Hakumen might be able to avoid the repeat prorate of 6C by using different levels in a combo like how Makoto can use 2D level 3 and then later in the combo use 2D level 2 and not run into the 10% repeat prorate.

[ryokoalways]

I don't know. If I had to guess I would say no. Pretty interesting idea though. I will ask.

[WolfCrimson]

That frame data looks really good. I wanna play CS2 really badly now.