itsme Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 So I was bored and watched the same video on nicovideo and saw what may be the actual combo recipe: 1) 5C > Renka (1) > Kishuu > 66 > 2C > sj Hotaru > (before landing) air dash > j2C > 2C > sj2A > j2A > jC 2) 5C > Renka (1) > Kishuu > 66 > 2C > sj Hotaru > (before landing) air dash > j2C > 2C > sj2A > j2A > jC > landing 2C > sj2A > air dash j2A > jC > 5C > 3C Just posting seeing how I missed it as a sj Hotaru and also confirming the air dash is BEFORE landing on the ground from the Hotaru.
rtl42 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 i'm not saying i'm 100% right, but in my experience so far, the only time that: (low) hotaru -> land -> iad.j.2C ... is a valid combo is on a counter hit Hotaru. (or maybe it would work on some characters that i just haven't tried yet) btw, you can also compare within the same video by watching the vs. Tager combo (0:53) -- you can clearly hear him land after the hotaru (his feet make this big GUZHUNK sound lol), and the air dash trajectory is slightly different compared to previous combos.
itsme Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 Just checked and noticed there's no CS2 Combo section yet (pretty sure most characters don't have one too) but I'm wondering if anyone know where the term "Zool" type combos (ズ－ル式) came from because that's where I found the command inputs and info for the combo. It apparently means you don't land from a Hotaru (may be from anything else too but I really don't know) and continue off the combo into the j2C. Just wondering because these terms maybe widely used later and it peaked my interest from its weird naming. Source = http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13622479 The comments have one point where a person asks if you land after the Hotaru and at where another comment states that it is "Zool" type, which does not require landing.
SolheartStud Posted March 7, 2011 Posted March 7, 2011 Interesting Hakumen player, thought I'd share with you guys. FT (Hakumen) vs gachi-nanaya (Makoto) FT (Hakumen) vs abare P (Bang) FT (Hakumen) vs bu ~ yan (Mu-12) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2WnzIr9344
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 7, 2011 Author Posted March 7, 2011 Thanks for the vid, will update soon. Could someone explain to me why haku lost a primer despite slashing the exploding stein at 5:27?
Spark Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 The stein is mutli hit. After cutting it the void hit Mu but the stein was still active so it hit Hakumen because the void was no longer there.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 8, 2011 Author Posted March 8, 2011 Thread updated. The stein is mutli hit. After cutting it the void hit Mu but the stein was still active so it hit Hakumen because the void was no longer there. I'm guessing this same scenario can take place with any other multi hit projectile that hakumen cuts. Thanks once again spark.
Schneider-X Posted March 8, 2011 Posted March 8, 2011 So haven't seen these Firumu videos posted yet, but there are two videos of his CS2 Hakumen at the moment. He's very counter happy in the first video. Second match @ 10:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zU74kRMAY Second match @ 10:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnoB5-K_PH0#t=4m28s
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 Yea I saw them before, but I felt he was too scrubby. WAYYYY too many drive uses.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 MASSIVE update on videos. Will try to continue with updates. I added videos of Tenchi, if there's any videos I have missed please point them out to me and I'll add them. Don't give me vids of hakumen getting wrecked I don't see the point of posting up videos like that in this thread. Thanks and enjoy.
Nini Heart Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Might wanna add Hikage, he did well at NSB 22. His team won.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 Point out the specific videos to me, and I'll add them.
Nini Heart Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 My youtube, NSB 22, Team Kensou. He's called Hikage. Also Jourdal's channel, Chariot, there's a good Haku called Naoe in there.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 My youtube, NSB 22, Team Kensou. He's called Hikage. Also Jourdal's channel, Chariot, there's a good Haku called Naoe in there. I've been watching Naoe on nico nico. I've added a few youtube videos of him already. I'll check your youtube when I get home.
itsme Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Oh god those Tenchi videos. If he really was drunk in those matches I wonder how he would have played sober.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Oh god those Tenchi videos. If he really was drunk in those matches I wonder how he would have played sober. He was drunk? Also, Thread updated again. I'm really feeling Fuji's hakumen combos. Very nice, don't look like easy executions but get out solid damage.
Sophisticat Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 BlazDrunk is a bit more derivative from the main game, but it's still pretty good if I do say so myself. :P Anyway, GJ on the updates Eb. I should catch up on the CS2 Haku vids. I haven't watched anything in a couple weeks.
qwerty Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Don't give me vids of hakumen getting wrecked I don't see the point of posting up videos like that in this thread. Thanks and enjoy. i would argue that these can be just as important, since they can give you an idea of how not to approach certain matchups.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 i would argue that these can be just as important, since they can give you an idea of how not to approach certain matchups. Valid point. Noted for future matches then I guess. I have noticed that hakumens tend to lose once they take 20+ seconds to get offensive/close against rachel. Thoughts?
rtl42 Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 watch the latest set of CS2 casuals from A-cho on youtube, you'll see Kakyuu's Hakumen several times : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSQxG25w6ow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcGfmYnGtZc Incidentally, I have a list of CS2 Hakumen matches on my youtube profile: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2687EBF483123D88 This seems to have some overlap with the list in the first post, although I also subscribe to some other BB CS2 accounts that are not jourdal and pktazn lol.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Alright thanks rtl. Very much appreciated rather than having to sift through pages and pages of videos to only find a hakumen every once in a while.
itsme Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) He was drunk? They had a mini-tourney to celebrate his confirmed graduation or something and dude was apparently drunk. Even within the video, the commentator is joking about how overhead weak tenchi was at that moment. Edited March 11, 2011 by itsme
Sophisticat Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 watch the latest set of CS2 casuals from A-cho on youtube, you'll see Kakyuu's Hakumen several times : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSQxG25w6ow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcGfmYnGtZc Yay. A-Cho Haku is one of my fave Hakus. :D Wait, that is the regular A-Cho Haku, right? This player seems more offensively oriented than the one I know. Still a good player, though I think he got impatient in the later matches. Also, is it just me or did the Rachel matchup just get worse? D: Whatever the case, I picked up on these two interesting combo strings: 1) Air Throw -> Tsubaki -> AD j.2c -> 2c -> sj.2a -> j.2c -> 2c -> sj.2a -> j.C -> land -> j.2a -> j.C -> land -> j.C 2) j.B CH -> 2b -> 2a -> 2b -> Enma -> etc. First one is ~51:50 in the first vid, and second is early in the match after vs. the Hazama. 1) is not only visually interesting, but it shows how he can combo off air throw near the corner. 2) Could you always do 2b -> 2a -> 2b? Well, now it seems you can, at least on CH, and still go into enma combo after. I think I'll need to get reacquainted with Haku's mechanics, they seem to have changed more than I thought if the above stuff works.
rtl42 Posted March 12, 2011 Posted March 12, 2011 i think in CT and CS, the "usual" Hakumen was tenchi, but like I said, the Hakumen player in that set was the announcer, Kakyuu.
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