Hokuto no Jersey thread: Fist-pump of the North Shore

[St1ckBuG]

Andy's house isn't built for gatherings either, but he has a nice couch to nap on :3

[maximummcnugget]

Andy's house isn't built for gatherings either, but he has a nice couch to nap on :3

Ah, but Ril's basement reminded me of that common area in the Livingston dorms that we went to a bunch of times after UGS back in the day.

But it was so scary driving back from Livingston at night: darkness + fog + deer, such a scary combination.

[Siefer]

Well I don't know who else is up in the north jersey area besides myself.

Nemhe and 830 are in "north" Jersey besides yourself, but what Lich was referring to was really a blanket term for "North" and "Central" Jersey (technically, there is no such thing as "Central" Jersey according to the federal government). When you include "Central" Jersey, you also have myself, RIL, Lich, and I dunno, maybe other people.

[iora]

The reason GG is so great is because you can throw someones gold burst after they do fake Gunflame.

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

anywhere else in usa, and that shit would work. jerseys too smart vs jersey tactics.

also, for whoever cares

http://www.gamespot.com/news/phantasy-star-online-2-will-be-free-to-play-6368061

Edited March 27, 2012 by iora

[iora]

double post:

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next meet-up @ my place = 4/6/12 (friday)

what i have:

1 crt, 1 hdtv, 1 xbox (with bbex and sfxt), 1 pc with various emulated games

so bring other stuff if you want more things to do. setups, tvs, whatever.

if you wish to come, and do not have my contact info, pm me. ill shoot you what you need

732-779-2270, text with questions

i do not have a ps2 with gear, someone better bring it

faq:

can i bring people? - yes, but you gotta vouch for them. just let me know how many you are bringing if anyone

start time? - 5pm

end time? - whenever, but prob like 2-3 am area.

booze/more illegal shit? - booze is fine, but you are not crashing here. plan accordingly. - anything other than that can not and will not enter my apartment. house rules. (theres a neighborhood you can adventure around though)

estimate of where you live? - exit 82 on parkway, then another 5 minutes from that. OR 5 minutes from the route 37/route 9 intersection.

food situation? - i live 5 minutes from damn near everything. i am not supplying foods, you are on your own. but literally.... 5 minutes from everything.

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hope to see you fools there

Edited March 27, 2012 by iora

[bbq sauce]

The reason GG is so great is because you can throw someones gold burst after they do fake Gunflame.

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

anywhere else in usa, and that shit would work. jerseys too smart vs jersey tactics.

2 + 2 = 5

only jersey understands this equation

[Siefer]

Hm, you're not as far south as I thought you were Justin. PM me your address, I'll see if I can make it. Who else is going?

EDIT: If I go, I'll bring my PS3 and BB.

[Lich]

Honest answer, after playing GG I just don't want to play other games.

Other than that, there ate just a lot of quirks to BB that annoy me.

! BB is fun, though. =X I dunno, maybe you just don't have that one character who makes the game for you, like I assume Axel does. I actually hated BB too until Hazama was announced for BBCS. lol I care not for anyone, but him and Kokonoe. >.< Well, I'm definitely going to Ioras meet up. You should go and play BB with me. @-@

[iora]

! BB is fun, though. =X I dunno, maybe you just don't have that one character who makes the game for you, like I assume Axel does. I actually hated BB too until Hazama was announced for BBCS. lol I care not for anyone, but him and Kokonoe. >.< Well, I'm definitely going to Ioras meet up. You should go and play BB with me. @-@

honestly, i feel the same as andy here

i had to really try to get to like bb, and i can play it and enjoy it now (same with sfxt, alpha3, and a lot of other games)

but you give me a choice, ill opt to play gear every time.

theres a lot of deep system shit that i think is just right, the character design, damage scaling, the guard bar (DAT FLASHING GUARD BAR) how oki works, how footsies work, all of it. i think gear got it perfect (or as perfect as you can be)

everything else, including bb, just feels off in some way.

its just a preference thing for everyone.

i know for me, i dont really have that character i love enough to really dig into the game (L11 and plat are close, but not really character love material). that and i hate tech roll on wakeup, i dislike the throw system, i dislike the choices of what have a ton of untechable time and what doesnt, and some other shit.

not that i cant enjoy the game, but it has problems.

but then again, i can get if gear has issues others cant get around.

its all a preference thing. bb is just convenient because it has playable netcode. thats its biggest draw, and the only thing i think it has over gg (imo). and when gear gets the online remake (with playable netcode) i know i wont touch bb in my alone time ever again.

its not a bad game, but gears better. thats it.

[Ril I am]

Your gathering I should be down if I can get a scoop. I'll bring gg since my ps2 is easy to carry as well as my ps3 for bb and maybe kof. I didn't really enjoy bb either at first, but the game has grown on me enough to have tolerance and play it more often as well as other games.

[St1ckBuG]

Just pick a character you like and don't play against anyone good.

[Lich]

Well, for me I love both games honestly. Though, being a BB player primarily, BB is the game that everything just feels right. When I go to other games and I play them certain things put me off because I feel like they should be like BB. That's what I'm getting from you, except GG instead of BB. Also, I feel like BB knockdown actually adds to the depth. In all honesty, tech rolling stomps noobs out. Like, if you know what you're doing and you're going up against someone who loves to try to techroll away, they are taking damage EVERY. TIME. Tech rolling is unsafe and is extremely easy to punish even without prediction and without worry of losing your oki. It's just so easy to reset a combo this way or just stack on more damage on an opponent waiting to tech roll away. Knowing when and when not to roll adds to the depth. Very rarely, do you actually get a chance to roll when fighting someone solid, but when you do, do it. I feel like if you actually played the game a bit more that wouldn't be as much of a problem for you. Plus there are so many characters now who give you absolutely no choice but to neutral tech. Hazamas 3c 214d~A forces a neutral tech no matter where he hits you with it. If you decide to try to delay your tech and try to roll, it's very easy to pick you off the ground again with 5c to stack on more damage to the combo and get free meter just to put yourself back into the same situation. Litchis distortion is the best Oki in the game and gives you ABSOLUTELY no other option to block in the corner. It also makes it hard to see what she is doing. Also, generally if she gets a hit on you, she's getting 50 meter and bringing you to the corner, so getting this set up is extremely common. Mus steins have mad set ups to force neutral tech and continue pressure. Relius has 214C Ragna has 22C, Lambda punishes all hard who try to roll or delay there tech with a full combo anywhere on the screen. Tager has 22D, and way too many set ups to punish every option of getting up. lol I could go on, but reallly the only characters who don't have real Oki are Taokaka, makoto and I'm not sure about Haku-men.

The throw system I guess is a hit or miss if you like it I guess and I'm confused about your last complaint, but yeah. lol I love guilty at this point as well, but honestly I kinda would like the option to roll, I don't like how grab doesn't have it's own button, and I don't like how everyone can combo after dead angle. lol Though, I think both games are great and I look forward to playing guilty more in the future. I know I'll be able to get passed what I don't like, because both games are hella fun. haha

Edit: I will say this though, the only thing I don't like about BB peoples options to get out when pressured. Pretty much all are unsafe when predicted but that gets a bit annoying. Almost every character has SOMETHING they can try to just throw out there on wake up, but some are a lot worse than others. Other than that, bbs my favorite. lol

Edited March 28, 2012 by Lich

[St1ckBuG]

You say BB roll adds depth, but then you list option-selects that shut it down.

Pro-tip: option-selects don't add depth, they take away from it. Think of it in extremes: if you could shut down every option someone had on wake-up with one thing, and you could repeat that against every character in the game, is that adding depth or taking away from it? The more options you take away from a game the less depth it will have.

I'm not trying to disprove the things you said, but I just want to make you a smarter player. You still have rolls as an option and you could say that adds to the depth, but by listing option-selects you're just taking another step back.

Depth in GG comes from a lot of different things: defensive, offensive, mix-up, and pressure options all connected to smart meter usage and fundamentals. Combine this with a very diverse cast and you get a game where you have a lot of freedom. GG is a large step above BB in all these characteristics. You'll understand as you get better at GG, which I'm fucking psyched that you're picking up BTW.

I'll leave with this:

GG is like being given a 10'x10' canvas and every color of paint you could want. Paint your picture. Be creative.

BB is like being given a coloring book with 8 crayons. Color between the lines. Follow the directions.

Unless you're Ragna. Ragna does what Ragna wants.

[Lich]

Well, I'm just saying that there are times where you can roll, but mostly it's a bad idea. >.< You can use it to take advantage of your opponent if he does something stupid, but thats basically it. I guess you're right though about option selects taking it away I suppose. =V I do always accept learning. I don't know if I agree with BB being so one windowed though. lol I do agree that GG has more freedom, but I think you're not giving BB enough credit. Though, I haven't played GG too much. =l I don't know we will see. Speaking of GG does anyone know Venom that well? I really need some help to get a hang of this guy. Any tips would be super appreciated. >.<

[iora]

To me, wake up roll adds to the wake up game, but takes away from the oki game. The fact that most everyone can punish a roll predicted is fine, but i know some (maybe most, maybe all) can be reayd to punish the roll, without sacrificing oki to do it. Thats bad. My personal options about how i dislike roll aside, thats why i dislike it on a mechanical level.

I personally like throws being 1 frame, so you can punish shitty pressure strings. I personally also like option-selecting throw a lot in my air to air game in gg, but thats an opinion, and is honestly worse for the game that its possible.

Even think with robo-ky, since he can delay his wakeup in gg, that makes oki vs him very very VERY different than everyone else. Wakeup speed works the same (notably 3s chun is what i think of in that regard)

But like..... purple throws as a cheesy attempt at free damage? The speed of jabs/most pokes being generally slower than in GG? The guard bar vs guard primers? Barrier costing its own gauge, not meter? Negative penalty in GG vs how it works in BB? The moves they selected on some people to be -2 or better on block. I just have a lot of general system complaints.

I should not be punished for blocking while i am still blocking (primers). I like having generally 2 fast poke options to keep close and have decent frame advantage (p and k, vs just a). I like backdashes being generally sweet wakeup options, rather than generally risky. I like un-throwable normals for oki/pressure. I dislike 'fatal counter'. I like GG style gold burst. I like throwable bursts (regardless of how much it ever helps me vs how much it hurts me) and that bursts generally dont fuck your ability to block. I dislike being stuck in a shitty situation because of system mechanics (i green burst, and lose a primer on wakeup vs jin/lambda/ragna/whoever. i am now fucked into destroying my barrier, or getting fucked for a combo, regardless of how good my defense is). I dislike dead angle costing a fucking primer (it already costs 50 meter in a game that 50 meter opens up worlds of damage for everyone).

I really can continue, and i do have a few complaints about gg I would change. But thats just opinion. I have played enough of bb to make a reasonable opinion on it. To each their own.

A nugget of info I learned from cs2 platinum kiunda sums up my opinion on bb.

In cs2, platinums best blockstring was 5a x n. Thats it. It was +1 and fast, just do it until you feel like mixup. It was neigh impossible to punish if you executed perfectly.

Thats dumb. Legit, but dumb. Thats bb to me. Legit as a game, but a lot of dumb shit make me go 'seriously?' (edit'd, apparently not correct)

^^

The bulk of the jersey thread has played a good amount of BB, so dont take it in that route. But theres a reason most if not all the jersey gg heads prefer gg over bb every day of the week... and its not because it was first.

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Venom? Not i. Sorry buddy!

Edited March 28, 2012 by iora

[Lord Knight]

it just sounds like you dont understand the game, but if you cant have fun with it at a basic level, it cant be helped

same reason why i dont like kof (and thus, don't play it)

btw it was pretty easy to stop plat 5a xN

[skd]

I'll leave with this:

GG is like being given a 10'x10' canvas and every color of paint you could want. Paint your picture. Be creative.

BB is like being given a coloring book with 8 crayons. Color between the lines. Follow the directions.

Unless you're Ragna. Ragna does what Ragna wants.

To keep consistent with the metaphor, getting out of the "coloring book" is where the game really lies, imo haha. At high level, I wouldnt straight say "follow the directions"! They are different games, with different focuses.

[bbq sauce]

Justin just say it.

you don't like the fact that you only get a max of 2 gold bursts per game.

@ alan, playing good people is the only time I have fun w BB

Like, when I play people that are gonna give me free wins by rolling, I just get annoyed, that I didn't get to do any of the shit I come up with, because I spend the entire match punishing rolls.

I'd rather get molly wopped 10 straight by somebody like LK tbc

Edited March 28, 2012 by bbq sauce

[iora]

I'll trust your opinion LK, if you say i dont get it, then i dont ^^.

I enjoy the game, but its weird.

I do not enjoy bashing scrubs.

I do not enjoy getting double perfects by godlike players.

I do enjoy somewhat playing people better than me, and having close matches but me losing 95% of the time.

I do really enjoy having matches with people I go like.... 3-4 wins out of every 10 games when. Thats my perfect motivation level in gaming. Figured that out long ago. But i never find people at that level.

Its all mostly godlike people who troll/destroy me, or scrubs that even I can body (thats bad if i can body you).

Its not a bad game, and I can enjoy playing it, so I hope people get that lol.

It's just not my preference, and I cannot stop wishing it was something more my style. But it is enjoyable enough. I honestly think the biggest issue is I dont have that character that just 'clicks' for me.

In GG, its robo and sol. In AH, its fiona. In mb (ignoring my skill level lol) its kohaku and len. In marvel, its strider/doom/task. In SF games, its ryu/akuma/e.ryu/sakura. In SFxT its howarang.

But BB? I constantly change. Platinum is the closest I got, but I get frustrated with her combo mechanics.

Hard to explain. I think that's one of the easiest things to keep someone interested in a game. Character love. And I just dont have it that strong in BB.

@Andy: That is actually a complaint of mine! I honestly like 3/5 rounds. BB doesnt give you 3 burst for 3/5 rounds. Should be 1 burst per round, period. Minor I know though.

Edited March 28, 2012 by iora

[St1ckBuG]

Well, I'm just saying that there are times where you can roll, but mostly it's a bad idea. >.< You can use it to take advantage of your opponent if he does something stupid, but thats basically it. I guess you're right though about option selects taking it away I suppose. =V I do always accept learning. I don't know if I agree with BB being so one windowed though. lol I do agree that GG has more freedom, but I think you're not giving BB enough credit. Though, I haven't played GG too much. =l I don't know we will see. Speaking of GG does anyone know Venom that well? I really need some help to get a hang of this guy. Any tips would be super appreciated. >.<

Watch a lot of videos and try asking faultydefense (a Houston player) any questions you might have. I'm sure the Venom boards aren't bad. I think we're all gonna have to bother Kyohei to come out to play GG sometime. Kyohei could probably show you some really good shit.

To keep consistent with the metaphor, getting out of the "coloring book" is where the game really lies, imo haha. At high level, I wouldnt straight say "follow the directions"! They are different games, with different focuses.

Nigga you play Ragna. He does coloring books with finger paint... USING HIS FACE.

GTFO.

Justin just say it.

you don't like the fact that you only get a max of 2 gold bursts per game.

@ alan, playing good people is the only time I have fun w BB

Like, when I play people that are gonna give me free wins by rolling, I just get annoyed, that I didn't get to do any of the shit I come up with, because I spend the entire match punishing rolls.

I'd rather get molly wopped 10 straight by somebody like LK tbc

I enjoy BB, but getting raped in GG and BB make me feel different, which is why I like to play people of the same skill level (not scrub level) in BB. Maybe it's just because I have more experience in GG that I'm biased.

[Lord Knight]

I'll trust your opinion LK, if you say i dont get it, then i dont ^^.

I enjoy the game, but its weird.

I do not enjoy bashing scrubs.

I do not enjoy getting double perfects by godlike players.

I do enjoy somewhat playing people better than me, and having close matches but me losing 95% of the time.

I do really enjoy having matches with people I go like.... 3-4 wins out of every 10 games when. Thats my perfect motivation level in gaming. Figured that out long ago. But i never find people at that level.

Its all mostly godlike people who troll/destroy me, or scrubs that even I can body (thats bad if i can body you).

Its not a bad game, and I can enjoy playing it, so I hope people get that lol.

It's just not my preference, and I cannot stop wishing it was something more my style. But it is enjoyable enough. I honestly think the biggest issue is I dont have that character that just 'clicks' for me.

In GG, its robo and sol. In AH, its fiona. In mb (ignoring my skill level lol) its kohaku and len. In marvel, its strider/doom/task. In SF games, its ryu/akuma/e.ryu/sakura. In SFxT its howarang.

But BB? I constantly change. Platinum is the closest I got, but I get frustrated with her combo mechanics.

Hard to explain. I think that's one of the easiest things to keep someone interested in a game. Character love. And I just dont have it that strong in BB.

@Andy: That is actually a complaint of mine! I honestly like 3/5 rounds. BB doesnt give you 3 burst for 3/5 rounds. Should be 1 burst per round, period. Minor I know though.

thats legit imo

i only play bb cause i enjoy litchi

[MashThat5A]

Nigga you play Ragna. He does coloring books with finger paint... USING HIS FACE.

I need to sig this.

[Lich]

Why is everyone in the jersey thread now. xD Rofl. Anyway, yeah, like I said before, I HATED BB until cs when I saw hazama. I think character love makes any game worth while, no matter how bad it may be. =] I could care less what BB is like, it has fucking Hazama! <3

[bbq sauce]

There's a line though.

I've loved Sakura since A2.

I will not play SFxT. Even a lil bit.

[Lich]

I don't know, if SFxT had Q in it and Cody wasn't dlc, I probably would have picked it up anyway. Though it doesn't, so screw that game. :p

Edit: Venom forums aren't really that good. :V I've been watching a lot of videos but still don't get how to combo even with this guy. lol

Edited March 28, 2012 by Lich