CrazyI-nomitsu Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 those new "tools" doesnt help him in his major problems, its more like they try to give to the players some new guimicks wich each iteration of the game only to distract them from the fundamental problems that tager has :/ i really hope that asw dont let pachi be near of potemkin on the next GG, it would be sad Ask this to yourself: Why do they do it? Edit: Can you tell me why pachi hates grapples anyways?
Koopa_Klawz Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) cause he gets blown up by them on a daily basis. EDIT: wait 5b > 5c can combo on airborne opponents? ABOUT FUCKING TIME WE GOT THAT! Edited August 11, 2011 by Koopa_Klawz
MashThat5A Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Kinda confused about the 6B CH Change. So if the opponent is on the ground and you land a CH does he bounce off the floor or does the opponent just magically fly to the wall. lol Also I'm kinda 50/50 with the changes few i like few i don't. I'm pretty sure these are Rachel changes.
TagerTime Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) 5B -> 5C now combos against an airborne opponent So they added more useful gatlings like i wanted as well. i love this addition. i was mad that this didnt work before. Volt charge - Day 1 combo from sledge counter if an opponent hits the guard point yields 4000 damage i hope this is without heat. i wonder if we actually counter hit with sledge or with hammer from VC I'm pretty sure these are Rachel changes. oh your right so someone just gave us mixed up info Edited August 11, 2011 by TagerTime
WolfCrimson Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Hey Tager mains, do you think it's a good idea to increase Tager's Break Burst radius? His is too small compared to his sprite/hitbox, sometimes him bursting does not hit the opponent, whereas another character bursting at the same time on the same combo would hit the opponent with the burst.
Isorropia Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 5B>5C combos on air hit Woah. Really? Thats actually...exactly what I wanted. This means that Tager can now do, from a decent range: 5A > 5B > 3C > 5B > 5C > 6A > collider > Bgadget. For a bit under 2k dmg. What makes this good is that it works at further ranges than the current: 5A > 5B > 3C > 2B > collider > Bgadget. Hopefully this change makes it to the patch...
FlyingVe Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Hmm... if 5B>5C works, that either means that 5B got an attack level buff or 5C got faster, both of those are pretty decent buffs. Also, the statement about the sledge combo suggest damage is better wich is a big deal for Tager. However, I'm still disappointed they didn't give us a way to stay on top of someone, even if it was bad like the old 6A Jump Cancel.
A.X.I.S. Posted August 11, 2011 Author Posted August 11, 2011 360>5B>5C>collider might be possible and optimal guys. I wonder what did they change. 5B untech time? 5C startup?
FlyingVe Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 I was poking through the frame data, and, provided there aren't other changes, an increased attack level on 5B doesn't really get us anything outside of the aforementioned 5B>5C on air hit. So I'm really hoping the 5C is faster. That move was always a touch slower than I would have preferred anyhow.
Manta Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) 5B only needs one more frame of untech for 5C to hit, they could've done anything. Might even have been accidental. But holy shit. I likes that. Also [Tager] Tager can get 4000 damage from a Voltic charge counter into sledge. Very good proration maybe? Asledge actually doesnt prorate down to 50% anymore? Nice. Edited August 11, 2011 by Manta
Edalborez Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 This is probably a baseless worry over the wording given on that change, but "5B -> 5C now combos against an airborne opponent" implies you might have to prop them up first. It's an easy fix if that's the case (2B > 5B > 5C > AC) but just a thought.
A.X.I.S. Posted August 11, 2011 Author Posted August 11, 2011 I like 5B(air hit)>5C a lot. I am gonna say this about joke test one. I like this, I like this a lot.
Brice Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 ATTENTION FOLLOWING INFO NOT VERIFIED well i do think we have one very bad news on our hand.... although i'm not the best japanese translator in the world there's a new change that isn't posted on dustloop but is on the jap site saying that you cannot combo AC after a 360B hope i'm wrong source
Deviru Dahlia Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Axis is going to make me play the game so he can try Gold Burst>720 combos on me. :c And I'm going to sit there and accept it. If it stays.
Hecatom Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Ask this to yourself: Why do they do it? Edit: Can you tell me why pachi hates grapples anyways? in general, no one likes a good grappler cause he gets blown up by them on a daily basis. EDIT: wait 5b > 5c can combo on airborne opponents? ABOUT FUCKING TIME WE GOT THAT! nice Spark bolt has wall bound? Ew... the fuck
CrazyI-nomitsu Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 A Spark bolt that wall bounds.....Geez let's see how many gimmicks are going to come from that.
FlyingVe Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Wall-bounding spark bolt is just horrible... They nerf the only tool we have to get in... And it wasn't even very good as it was.
Koopa_Klawz Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 responses in bold B sledge can be charged, charging increases damage and travel distance interesting but i doubt it'll go full screen B driver (I think that's 360B? didn't know it used to work though..) no longer chains into collider that's fucking retarded -_-
Edalborez Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Paste from loke thread Additional stuff from this blog: Tager: (some stuff is already known, but there's some extra details) B sledge can be charged, charging increases damage and travel distance Voltic charge speed increased, can sledge to counter if a move is guardpointed with it. (You can follow up for a combo of ~4000 damage, pretty painful) 5B>5C now combos for both ground and air hits 6A magnetic pull is weaker, amount of damage that can be guard pointed is increased Spark bolt speed decrease, wall bounce weakened. Can catch opponent on bounce with collider B driver (I think that's 360B? didn't know it used to work though..) no longer chains into collider Speed decrease as well on Spark is pretty sad.
FlyingVe Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Chargeable sledge might not be so bad, especially if the proration on it is different. I'm thinking Fatal combo's, but there might be other situations where we could combo into a charged (partly or fully) sledge.
TagerTime Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 (edited) I hope they just mean 360B>2b>2c>AC or 360B>2b>AC dont work but they didnt try it with 360B>5B>5C>...AC instead. Hopefully we can at least do 360A/B>5B>5C>...AC easily to the entire cast. Edited August 11, 2011 by TagerTime
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