[CS2] Lambda vs Platinum

[kenja0]

Matchup: ?-? (advantaged most likely)

CS2 Platinum vs Lambda: don't worry, they don't have anything yet either.

New character time! Platinum is new and therefore nobody knows much about hers+him that well in matchup. Platinum is best played as a rushdown character similar to Ragna.

She has random items, so the match should be adjusted around her current items in addition to her normal options.

Dream Sally (bubble) is also a powerful pressure tool that should be dealt with.

She has a dashing command grab which is pretty good.

Her corner game is also pretty strong (not nearly as strong as Litchi's Distortion pressures).

Swallow Moon.

Heartcar (Mami Circ)

Other than that, she is incredibly straight forward.

I'll update with feedback

Edited September 14, 2011 by kenja0

[M19Kamikaze]

Ok! So the Platinum vs Lambda thread has stuff now, which means we should proooooobably have SOMETHING to discuss by now, right?

As I'm sure we all know by now, swords break bubbles. I can only imagine why the hell they wouldn't.

Mami Circular is sooooo readable. I think 2C beats it and if not, it's a DP, so punish it like we were trained to.

I think our main concern are her items since they are so random. The worse item is the BOMB since they still explode on us. The MISSILES not so much since they disappear on hit. The other ones are the BAT, FRYING PAN, CAT HAMMER and HAMMER (if I'm missing an item say so). Add the Distortion bonus and that's when shit gets real stupid.

Super HAMMER creates knockdown if you are grounded

Super CAT HAMMER is even more stupid than the above

KITTY MISSILES!!!

Take the items, add the fact that she can put opponents into the corner with Mami Circular THEN add her stupid corner damage that is insanely free... oh right, our girl Lambda doesn't bode well in corners.

Need I say more?

[toanenadiz]

This match-up feels like it is in Lambda's favor, probably 5.5-4.5. Or it is even.

Plat shouldn't be able to safely pull out bubbles against you. You should punish them everytime they try it outside of them using it for oki.

Mami Circular is hard to beat out with normals, unless you are stuffing it.

Missiles are pretty tough to deal with for me. They give Plat a free way in and missiles shit on all of our non-DD projectiles.

Bat isn't that big of an issue, although it is annoying when they use it as an air to air move since it sends you to the corner.

Cat Hammer is definitively annoying, but it is minus on block so IB it and make sure you stop them if they try to spam it.

Frying Pan gives her that instant overhead into a lot of damage. You just have to watch out for that.

Bomb doesn't seem that annoying to me as long as you know its range and avoid being where it will land.

Hammer is annoying due to Plat's kara air dash she has with hammer.

Important thing to note: If any Plat does 3C->bubble against Lambda, blow them up with a CH 5D combo. Be wary of them doing heart car instead. If you react to the bubble start-up, then you should be fine.

[someonewhodied]

Here is how I TRY to punish each move(I don't always succeed)

Bubble: 5D

Heartcar: Mash 5C after IB

Command Grab: Gravity Seed C (Grab invincibility IIRC, or my timing is great) or 4B

TK Swallow Moon>Anything: 5A

[lilseph]

This Mu is def 5.5/4.5.

Things to look out for... THOSE DAMN MISSILES! Missiles are reallllly annoying but to fair that is really all she has to get in. One other thing would be heart car, if you happen to get hit by it your eating 5k+. BUT if you block it, you can try going for a CH 5C to cavalier combo (not sure if this works), but if that doesn't work just 5C mash and get some huge damage off.

[someonewhodied]

You can only get 5C CH off of an instant block.

IIRC 236236D beats cat missile. I'll need to double check that one though. (or someone do it for me. =))

[Fireryda]

You can only get 5C CH off of an instant block.

IIRC 236236D beats cat missile. I'll need to double check that one though. (or someone do it for me. =))

It doesn't beat it but it outlasts it.

If you do 236236D after missle. Missle only stops some of the hits unless she does 214D with missle.

[someonewhodied]

Oh ok....

So...nothing beats missile.... We just...uh...jump over em? blocking em leaves you open go get pressure applied...

[hakimiru]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet, but for a blocked heart car, aren't 3c->gravity or 2c better options?

3c gravity leads to big damage as always, and if you don't have gravity, 2c starter is good for it's 100 P1 proration.

Missle I just block and eat pressure

[Fireryda]

yes blocked heartcar is 3c gravity, im not too sure on 2c. can you do 2c 3c gravity ? because im pretty sure if you try to punish with a 2c it won't CH and launch so they'll still be grounded. need something more to it.

and in a way 236236d beats missle, depending on when missle comes out, it'll trade usually in your favour.

Edited September 15, 2011 by Fireryda

[Hellknight10]

I don't know why you guys are so into trying to PUNISH Mami Circular when good Platinums will only do Mami Circular when they have 50 heat to rapid out if it was blocked

we should be more focused on trying to bait it

I found some pretty stupid things that if you yomi Heart Car you will clash and win

for example if you yomi a Heart Car with 6C, it will clash and then the multi hit will continue and counter hit her, j.2C works as well at the right height and distance

granted these are a bit tough after all you are trying to yomi them out, not stuffing them on reaction

on reaction there isn't much we can do, 2C trades sometimes but most of the time you'll get countered, so if you aren't going to bait and yomi then you'll eat her Heart Car > RC > pressure (to be on the safe side this is better than getting countered)

now if they don't RC the blocked Heart Car then do what you want (lol -24)

[toanenadiz]

I don't know why you guys are so into trying to PUNISH Mami Circular when good Platinums will only do Mami Circular when they have 50 heat

I don't know about that. The best Plat I've fought is LostSoul and he will throw out Mami whenever he thinks it will hit, regardless of how much meter he has.

[Hellknight10]

Mami is used on Lambda when they know that you'll hit D

so either you're being too predictable or he just wants to take a risk or both, I mean he knows of the dangers of a blocked Mami but taking risks is something that everyone should do every now and then

Edited September 17, 2011 by Hellknight10

[toanenadiz]

Lost just probably enjoys taking risks now that I think about it