Rishtopher Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 So I'm replaying CS's story mode and remembered that Relius is the colonel of engineering. I wonder if we'll see more playable characters with more higher ranks in the future. I assume Saya will be playable at one point, so the imperator is certain. I kinda want to see who has the invictus rank, etc. Maybe we'll have even more NOL members in BB3. I find it odd that Relius outranks Hazama since Haz seems to be doing all of the work so far, but maybe it's because he needs to be kept on a leash? I'm also wondering why no one brings up that Relius is over 100 years old...like does no one know, or did they forget? I'm starting to wonder if he's immortal (i.e., unaging, not free of death), or just has an artificial body that he made for himself. Or maybe he's Wolverine capable of regenerating himself quickly, which would explain why he keeps taking near fatal blows and surviving. I have so many questions that I want answered @___@
Urichinan Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 So I'm replaying CS's story mode and remembered that Relius is the colonel of engineering. I wonder if we'll see more playable characters with more higher ranks in the future. I assume Saya will be playable at one point, so the imperator is certain. I kinda want to see who has the invictus rank, etc. Maybe we'll have even more NOL members in BB3. I find it odd that Relius outranks Hazama since Haz seems to be doing all of the work so far, but maybe it's because he needs to be kept on a leash? I'm also wondering why no one brings up that Relius is over 100 years old...like does no one know, or did they forget? I'm starting to wonder if he's immortal (i.e., unaging, not free of death), or just has an artificial body that he made for himself. Or maybe he's Wolverine capable of regenerating himself quickly, which would explain why he keeps taking near fatal blows and surviving. I have so many questions that I want answered @___@ Don't forget, he was also eaten by the Black Beast! :P
Starlight777 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Don't forget, he was also eaten by the Black Beast! :P Ok after reading that I'm pretty sure the guy is immortal.
Rishtopher Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Oh yeah that too! How the hell did he survive that O__O I hope his story mode has answers!
Osmond Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Ok, I AM missing something. He is over a hundred, how did that happen? I don't think it is like Haz...who is like a zombie-ghost, or Hakumang the zombie-robot...or-ok, too many people in this cast are really old but they all have reasons to be that old. What about him?
YukiBlue Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Speculah: Saya > Phantom > Relius & Hazama > NOL BITCHES
Chazmobile Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Whenever time comes trundling along to tell Relius that he's too old he just tells it to shut its whore mouth and backhands its punk-ass out of his office. Problem Solved?
YukiBlue Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 down for some CS2 / AE At about 5/6 Chaz? I'm thinking of Learning Carl and/or Hakumen for the fun of it. (And because our Relius mirrors are going to fucking suck...."HAASHAASHAASHAASHAASHAAS"
Chazmobile Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 down for some CS2 / AE At about 5/6 Chaz? I'm thinking of Learning Carl and/or Hakumen for the fun of it. (And because our Relius mirrors are going to fucking suck...."HAASHAASHAASHAASHAASHAAS" Sure thing, providing i can get the Xbox back off of my family =/. Our Relius mirrors are not going to suck at all. I don't think it's possible for Relius mirrors TOO suck, far too much awesome on one screen. *clicks fingers* 'Ignis'
YukiBlue Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 i'll be too busy with GDLK Mu-12 to even care. Those should be interesting Matches. Just dont get hit by 6C. Ever. I don't think (No Proof) That Relius Will have an Answer to Mu's broken Oki. Ignis could possibly fuck Mu's world up on Wakeup. But I think command Laser will really make that matchup suck for Relius. 6-4. No Proof, Speculation and nothing but Theory Fighter. But I'm calling it in Mu's Favour...But in time I can see 5-5.
Chazmobile Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 i'll be too busy with GDLK Mu-12 to even care. Those should be interesting Matches. Just dont get hit by 6C. Ever. I don't think (No Proof) That Relius Will have an Answer to Mu's broken Oki. Ignis could possibly fuck Mu's world up on Wakeup. But I think command Laser will really make that matchup suck for Relius. 6-4. No Proof, Speculation and nothing but Theory Fighter. But I'm calling it in Mu's Favour...But in time I can see 5-5. He could just, y'know, block. Mu's mixup ain't all that hot, no doubt her oki is great but honestly anyone with decent reactions can block/tech the majority of her shit. What and with the increased pushback on barrier it shouldn't be too hard to get her off of you. Oh and Led Ley could come in handy. Keep in mind Relius could possibly still use Ignis to interrupt the huge startup of command laser with the scissor move which gives him a nice stagger, and the range of his normals are on par with moo-chans. I think Geara Nose (or whatever Ignis' buzzsaw throw is) seems to wreck everyone, especially in the corner. /theory fighting
YukiBlue Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 C0R's Universal Oki Setup Says Hi (Although The Notations escape me) True, True. I still think it will be even at best for either characters. Mu is looking damn fine now with dem 7K BNB's. But We can only wait and see. Also, Do Relius' scissors work in the Air? If not, CL can be TK'd. If not. It'll be Knockdown exclusive.
Chazmobile Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 C0R's Universal Oki Setup Says Hi (Although The Notations escape me) True, True. I still think it will be even at best for either characters. Mu is looking damn fine now with dem 7K BNB's. But We can only wait and see. Also, Do Relius' scissors work in the Air? If not, CL can be TK'd. If not. It'll be Knockdown exclusive. I believe that scissors tracks so i'm sure it'll work on a TK'd CL. Mu does look good now for sure, but she was hella good in CS2 IMO, she was just really underused (see MVC3 Jill syndrome). To be honest we can't really put a matchup stat on anything of Relius' at the moment, as all we have to go on are Japanese matches and we haven't had a chance to get a real feel for him first hand.
Critical Edge Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 I haven't really fought against any Mu-12 either, so it's pretty tough to gauge how the match up is. I've been fighting a lot of Ragna and Platinum. It's pretty much that you have to get them scared of Ignis and keep them away from you until Ignis can put them into enough guardstun that you can run up and start trying to cross them up while mixing in various D attacks, mostly 6D and 2D. For me, I usually do this: 2A > 2A > 5B > 5C > 2D > 2A > 5B > (Possibly repeat or Throw) It takes a lot of Ignis's gauge to use, but it's much easier to repeat than 6D, but 6D takes MUCH less of her meter to do - so it's recommended that you learn to do that as fast as possible. If you're without Ignis you don't have many options other than to dash in and try and keep them guessing with your 2A, 2B, and 5B. 5B has some range on it so it's a good poke. What you have to remember is that even if they're too far away to hit with 5C, you can hit them with 236C > 214A if you hit them with 5B. That alone will give you the initiative. There's also where you can IAD into jB > jC while they're in guardstun of 2D, but it's pretty hard to pull off and can possibly get punished. For okizeme, if you can catch them on wake up with Ignis's 214B, you can probably catch them in another blockstring or you can go for an unblockable setup with 214D and 2B. If you want to get really fancy, you can also bait things with 236A and punish with 6D or 2D. If you hit them with 2D, you can get really big damage. Well, that's pretty much what I've learned from playing Relius since he came out, but I'm still trying to figure out what works best in the corner combo-wise. Then there's the air combos you can do in the air with Ignis that I saw a guy trying to do one day. Relius is so gdlk.
Chazmobile Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Useful post So, would you say he is a strong, viable character this early on? Obviously being new he has a lot of room to grow i'm sure.
Rishtopher Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 'Cept he ain't DLC no mo' :P Ok, I AM missing something. He is over a hundred, how did that happen? I don't think it is like Haz...who is like a zombie-ghost, or Hakumang the zombie-robot...or-ok, too many people in this cast are really old but they all have reasons to be that old. What about him? Yeah, he was there when Shouichirou(sp?) accidentally created the black beast and was eaten by it. Also, I think he was there in Phase 0 when Terumi and Kazama hadn't merged yet, so he was there before the black beast. (I can't remember the Kazama thing clearly, I remember Relius making him, someone correct me if I'm wrong?) Playing against either Mu or Lambda is always hell for me when I play as Carl, so I'm thinking as Relius, I'm not gonna have such a fun time either lol
YukiBlue Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) I wrote some Relius vs Mu theory fighter here. But My computer fucked and wouldnt let me post it. And I can't get it back. Nor can I be arsed to type it out again. So, In short. If Ignis crashes. Relius is free If Mu has no steins. She is free Huzzah. Source: Nico lurking. Edited October 15, 2011 by YukiBlue
Critical Edge Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 So, would you say he is a strong, viable character this early on? Obviously being new he has a lot of room to grow i'm sure. He still has plenty of room to grow, but he already has several different versions of his corner combos using 214A along with j236C > 214A. There's also even more stuff being found out everyday in regards to combos that you can include Ignis in. Especially midscreen. For example, you can do this: 5B > 5C > 2D > 5B > 5C > 236C > 214A(B) Easy to get the hang of, right? Then there's this: 5B > 5C > 2D > 5B(5C) > 3C > 2D > jc > jB > jc > jB > jC > 236C > 214A(B) Relius is a goddamn beast when he's got Ignis. Relius can do well by himself for a while, but Ignis is a definite must if you want to do proper mixups and get the damage. But I'm pretty sure you guys figured that out already, hahaha. Oh, and you can also do the same kind of loop using 6D, which takes a lot less meter from Ignis so you can keep her out longer. It's really handy but I'm still trying to figure out the proper timing and gatlings for it to work properly to keep my opponent in hitstun/guardstun. Oh yeah, some corner stuff I've learned too: 5B > 5C > 236C > 214A > 5B > 5C > jc > jB > jC > 236C > 214A > jC > 5C > 2C > 6C > 4D > jc > jB > jC > j236C > j214A(B) (I'm fairly certain there's a way to get in a 3C at the end so you can use a Distortion Drive, but I haven't figured it out yet.) 5B > 5C > 236C > 214A > 5C > 2C > 4D > (6B) > (h)jc > jB > jc > jB > jC > j236C > 214A > jC > 5C > (Distortion??) (I've used this combo a few times to catch people mashing out with 4D to start up another combo in the corner. I'm also not sure if you can use a Distortion after hitting the 5C because I never really tried it.) Well, that's about the gist of what I've got on Relius combo-wise. I've tried not to but I'll have to go and look at the technical thread here and look at the combos.
Osmond Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 I would not say Relius will be free without Ignis, he is not like Carl. It looks to me like he has a much stronger poke game for keeping people away for the short time Ignis needs to recharge
.:TM:. Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Relius' astral seems to be pretty comboable, so far I've seen 3C-Astral and Backthrow-Astral.
OrionXElite Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 I'm pretty sure its Zero frames after the Super Flash so if its quick enough, it could be as silly as Valk's where you can do things like 5A>Astral :3 After watching Kaqn vs Shadow, I found a whole new desire to play this character. The mind games you can create with his spot dodge and yomi out DPs and stuff is really incredible to think about. Hes definitely not a slouch of a character but from what I've see thus far, hes easily one of the most well designed characters in the entirety of BB's lifespan :3
Chazmobile Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sure its Zero frames after the Super Flash so if its quick enough, it could be as silly as Valk's where you can do things like 5A>Astral :3 After watching Kaqn vs Shadow, I found a whole new desire to play this character. The mind games you can create with his spot dodge and yomi out DPs and stuff is really incredible to think about. Hes definitely not a slouch of a character but from what I've see thus far, hes easily one of the most well designed characters in the entirety of BB's lifespan :3 Quoted for fucking truth. Edited October 17, 2011 by Chazmobile
Critical Edge Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Relius is definitely a well designed character. He's soooo good. Ragna just might get bumped down to Platinum's sub-status if he keeps up being this gdlk.
bakahyl Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 I wrote some Relius vs Mu theory fighter here. But My computer fucked and wouldnt let me post it. And I can't get it back. Nor can I be arsed to type it out again. So, In short. If Ignis crashes. Relius is free If Mu has no steins. She is free Huzzah. Source: Nico lurking. My theory fighting. Mu's normals seems to be better than relius (her 5c and j.c might give relius problems) and ignis doesn't seem to trap people as well like carl could in cs1 and cs2 . Also Mu still has a dp as an emergency tool. So if the mu can block the barrages that relius can deal, then relius needs to retreat ignis which leaves him very open for mu's lasers to the point that he possibly can't safely use ignis. But if he can then we are back to square one of my post. So in short of what i think, mu can handle relius better if he is in the offensive while relius has more problems when mu goes to the offensive. Their battle for me is like a turnbased rpg, while one goes to the offensive (active turn), the other needs to wait.
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