xlolxlolx Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 yeah, but whos gonna waste their time to bother with all that trash
donelf Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 fatal combo: midscreen 2c>5c>6c(2)>DC>6b>delay 22c>microdash 5a>5b>5c>6c>DC>6b>5c>5d (1)>214d>5c>6a>HJC>j5c j5d>j6d>214c>microdash 5d(2)>214a>214d>22c = 6156 dmg , 76 heat 2c>5c>6c(2)>DC>6b>delay 22c>microdash 5a>5b>5c>6c>DC>6b>5c>5d (1)>214d>5c>6a>HJC>j5c j5d>j6d>214c>microdash 5d>214a>21d>DID heel drop = 5842 , 82 heat just tried it on hazama i will try it on other characters too it's up to you what kind of difficulty is this lol hopes this helps
donelf Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 yeah, but whos gonna waste their time to bother with all that trash i will waste my time learning those trash like hellsfang 22c and hellsfang ID is not that hard especially hellsfang 22c you just have to get a hang on it and by the time you know the timing it will be as easy as a breeze
-Kid Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) I'll be willing to do anything that gives me swag-gu-na points. yeah, but whos gonna waste their time to bother with all that trash ? Edited May 18, 2012 by -Kid
xlolxlolx Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 you kids.....reworded: "whos gonna waste their time to test everything for every situation" holy fuck.......
-Kid Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 you kids.....reworded: "whos gonna waste their time to test everything for every situation" holy fuck....... I know exactly what you were saying without having to reword it, I just don't think it's trash. Half the stuff we learn as players, we won't always use anyway, but it's good to know about them just incase we are in the situation. Fair enough about the thread being long, or that the combo is not beneficial, but it's not trash. What's the point of learning who 3C - 214C works on with Jin then? What makes that any different from this?
Tong Posted May 18, 2012 Author Posted May 18, 2012 NO need to list every situation. Just from practical starters and consistent confirms like overhead 6B, 5B 5C 2D (RC) combos... You can live without it just fine though.
KayEff Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) given how hard the execution is, how much stuff you'll have to memorize (especially the character specific stuff), the amount of risk that it entails (unless you're trying to do hell's fang > 22C, in which case why do you need to remember stuff, just do it), and how little reward it all offers... i dunno, i'd say it's pretty trash. What's the point of learning who 3C - 214C works on with Jin then? What makes that any different from this? 3C - 214C is easy to do with jin. 214C gets more heat and does better damage than 214B. therefore, it's worth the jin player's time to know who 3C - 214C works on. whereas hell's fang - ID offers, what, extra heat? not really worth it when i can get 50 heat from just about any combo. Edited May 18, 2012 by KayEff
VR-Raiden Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 I don't think HF > ID is worth the trouble either, unless you can do it perfectly every time on any character (good luck with that). If you drop it you're fucked.
-Kid Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 given how hard the execution is, how much stuff you'll have to memorize (especially the character specific stuff), the amount of risk that it entails (unless you're trying to do hell's fang > 22C, in which case why do you need to remember stuff, just do it), and how little reward it all offers... Given that explaination then fair enough. I can understand that. Just trying to go for something new sometimes.
xlolxlolx Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 theres a huge difference between bnbs and optional combo routes..... tagging on hf be4 dp punch adds on less than 200 dmg and the 10 extra meter isnt rly worth the possibility of dropping the combo
-Kid Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 (edited) theres a huge difference between bnbs and optional combo routes..... tagging on hf be4 dp punch adds on less than 200 dmg and the 10 extra meter isnt rly worth the possibility of dropping the combo I guess so. Oh, anyone interested in a throw combo in the corner that does 4102 dmg? 5A+B - 5C - 5D(1) - DS - delay 5C - jump cancel - j.C - j.D - jump cancel - j.C - j.D - belial - 5D - cID - upper - wall bound - CU 3C - 22C I've gotten this to work on relius and Jin so far, will test on the whole cast soon. Also if you are too slow with the CU 3C, they will be able to tech, so it's important to do it fast. I think this might be character specific too as it may depend on characters falling hitboxes. EDIT: this combo DOESN'T work on tager and hakumen. Also note that if you do forward throw into 5C, it will blue beat on tager, hakumen and valkenhayn if their back is to the corner completely. Leave some space between these characters and the wall to give you time to recover from the throw so you can do 5C. And yeah you have to do the CU 3C really fast. Damage: 4102 Heat: 48 Edited May 18, 2012 by -Kid
Fluck Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 5A+B - 5C - 5D(1) - DS - delay 5C - jump cancel - j.C - j.D - jump cancel - j.C - j.D - belial - 5D - cID - upper - wall bound - CU 3C - 22C I prefer j.C j.D j.D instead because you can do D divider with that proration
KayEff Posted June 7, 2012 Posted June 7, 2012 pretty sure this hasn't been posted/discussed yet, but i'm a little far behind by about two months or so 214B RC > late j.dash j.C > j.D > dash 5D(1) > 214D > dash 5C > aerial stuff this does work against everyone and it works in midscreen. the timing's a bit iffy but it's not to the point where the combo's impractical. i've been able to pull it off quite a few times consecutively on several characters.
Fluck Posted June 7, 2012 Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) Well, I didn't know of it, at least. Will definitely try it when I get back home. Here's a different version I use for an extra dash cancel's worth of corner carry: 214B RC air dash j.C j.D 5D (2) dash cancel 5C j.D jump cancel j.D 214C (At corner) 6B 214D 623D 236C 236C 3C ~ Edited June 7, 2012 by Fluck
KayEff Posted June 7, 2012 Posted June 7, 2012 dead spike in itself has a butt load of corner carry, dunno why you would want to use 5D
Fluck Posted June 7, 2012 Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) Ehhh I forgot about Dead Spike's carry midscreen. I'll test both combos when I get back just to make sure but I guess this really makes the DS version much better other than in terms of ease of execution. EDIT: Wow k this thing isn't even that hard, great find KF. As we discussed on IRC can be done after other falling j.Ds as well. Edited June 7, 2012 by Fluck
Tong Posted June 7, 2012 Author Posted June 7, 2012 Been know for some time, just check the OP, it's the best midscreen GH combo. There's this cool combo with AD j.D 5B 6A IAD delay j.A delay j.D 5D... Not sure, but DS might be possible after 5D(1).
LuminAbyss Posted June 9, 2012 Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) What's Ragna's best meterless damage right now? Cause I found a rather funny fatal combo. Works on Hazama, Ragna, Mu, Tao, Lambda, Makoto, Bang, Hakumen, and Tager. Basically anyone who can be 5A'd after 22C on fatal. Corner Needed FC 2C > 5C > 6C > 5C > 5D(1) > 214D > dash 3C > 22C > dash 5A > 5C > 6C > DC > 6D > j.C > j.214C > 6B > 2C > 5D(2) > 623C > 236C > 236C > cross under 3C > 22C Damage: 6.3k Meter Gain: 65 Heat Replace 22C with Carnage Scissors and it becomes 6.9k. Should you want to BK this up: Corner Needed FC 2C > 5C > 6C > 5C > 5D(1) > 214D > dash 3C > 22C > dash 5A > 5C > 6C > 214214D > dash 5D(1) > 214D > 5D(1) > 214B > 214D > 6D > 623D > 236C > 214D > j.214C > 5D(2) > 214D > dash 5D(2) > 214214D Meter Required at Start: 50 Heat Damage: 8.3k Meter Gain: 50 Heat Anyone want to optimize that BK combo, be my guest, I'm horrible with Blood Kain. Edited June 9, 2012 by LuminAbyss
Tong Posted June 9, 2012 Author Posted June 9, 2012 Alright, finally managed to pull this off: Rachel only FC 2C 5C 2D 5B 5C 5D(1) 214D dash 6B 5C 2C 5D(1) ,whiff 22C, 22C dash 5A 5C 6C (DC) 6B 6D j.214C dash 6B 2C 5D 214A brief delay 214D 623D(1)~Wallbound 5D 22C Damage:6864 Heat Gain:85 Notes: -22C dash 5A on Rachel is really odd. Usual "dash 5A" won't work due to the lack of momentum, and consequently, distance required for 5A. The way to make it work is inputting dash during 22C recovery and then, throw out a delayed 5A. -Tsuika delay must be very brief. Too soon it whiffs, too late it won't hit properly. And eh highest on tager is ........ 2c>214d>2c>5c>6c>dc>6d>dj.214c>6c>dc>6b>6d>whiff j.d>22c>5a>5c>6c>214a>214d>5b>5d(2)>214a>214d>d dp punch>5d(2)>22c = 6869 highest on others 2c>5c>6c>dc>5c>5d(1)>214d>6b>5c>5d(1)>214b>22c>5a>5c>6c>dc>6d>dj.c>j.214c>6b>2c>5d(2)>214a>214d>d dp punch>5d(2)>22c = 6771
-Kid Posted June 9, 2012 Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) For the last Combo, you have to delay 214B. Do it early and they will be able to tech. Edited June 9, 2012 by -Kid
xlolxlolx Posted June 10, 2012 Posted June 10, 2012 so how about we break that big 7k meterless fatal!?!?
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