DC Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 hahaha, that'll be the day. I'd love to see you scrubbing it up in that. You know I played Melee right? Why do you think I have a smashboards account from 2001? I played competitively before wavedashing even existed lol. I repped Fox before he was cool. Then I stopped playing.
Setsuna Posted April 23, 2012 Author Posted April 23, 2012 Because you know, you can't play two games at once or anything. Edit: Fuggit, I'm dropping BB for Smash Bros Melee. Yo take first place at CEO 2012 :p Whenever I play a game for the first time, the first thing I do is look at the character moves (specials, normals, etc). I will usually go through 75-85% of the cast within the first week of playing. After that, I will play WHOEVER I FIND THE MOST FUN. I cannot stress this point enough. Playing and winning is fun, but if you're not having fun using the character, you won't be motivated to get better. After I find the fun character, I work on combos. I think there are two schools of thought on this. A friend of mine thought it was better to learn frame traps and mixups first, then combos. I prefer to learn combos. Learning combos and optimizing them gives you many advantages. You get to see what your big damage starters are, how your character's combo mechanics work, how practical the combos will be to do in the heat of a match, and what the system mechanics allow (which will USUALLY be consistent throughout the cast). Your execution in the game will increase from this, and you'll get muscle memory for those tricky situational combos. From there, you can spread into learning setups for your big damage starters, situational combos, and oki setups. It's one thing to have 1000 tricks and get 10% dmg per trick, but it's an entirely different game when you hit someone for 40-50% of their life with one simple starter. That gives your opponent a degree of fear because they know that when you hit them, IT WILL HURT. After I've figured out combos (which is a constantly evolving process; NEVER stop practicing and optimizing combos), I'll work on poke spacing and mix ups. The first thing I now look for, especially in anime games, is a fuzzy guard or instant overhead. Other than it being one of the best mix ups in fighting game history that NO ONE ON THE PLANET can block consistently, it gives you a tool for surprising an opponent. Every character has combos off of lows, so that is pretty much inconsequential. If I find one, I'll see how practical it is (see valk). If not practical (and this pretty much goes for most mixups), then I'll see if there are situations I can set up that make it practical. Frame traps are going the way of the dodo nowadays, so I tend to find those by experience or when frame data drops. Lastly, I'll find a training partner. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. YOU CAN'T GET BETTER WITHOUT ONE. When I say training partner, I mean more than just someone to play matches with. I mean someone you can try stuff out with, practice strats, etc. I found out 2 weeks after valk was released in CS1 that everyone's 2/5A destroys wolf. This is because me and a friend traded ideas, and tested out various mixups. You can do this now with the recording feature in BB, but this feature may not always be present in all fighting game practice modes. Things like this can help you find out if something is legit or not, if a combo can be teched, if your tech trap setup is legit, etc. From this point I'll consider myself adequately versed in the character and go to play matches, usually with a high degree of success. If approached with a person who isn't that great at FGs, I'll get them to work on beginner mechanics and aspects (walking, dashing, jumping, BLOCKING, etc). After that, try normals and specials. See how comfortable they are with very basic shit before you move on to simple combos and strats. Things like frame traps, spacing, and match up specific moves can be overwhelming for someone new to FGs. Also, this is the group that you don't want to beat the shit out of when they first start. You don't want them to quit within the first few days. Play to their level a bit, encourage them, and LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WRONG. That should be something that happens at any level, but with new people its even more essential. I wish I could teach a class on fighting game theory. It'd be really interesting from any point of view. Quite the write up, I was a bit overwhelmed to reply but I got over that lol. I suppose Ill take bits and pieces I feel as if I have an area to reply to and Ill start from top to bottom. I can definitely understand your point of view, I still realize I have trouble prioritizing damage off odd pick ups (ie: Noels d.6C against an airborn opponent) and I definitely need to work on that. I feel like I can't relate and response properly to this next portion because of how different characters are in Blazblue, I suppose I should be going to the Noel boards for everything in that regard (and by that I mean everything mentioned in paragraph two) That is something I definitely need, needless to say I do not have a training partner offline (nor do I have a consistently one online) and if I were to "train" with anyone I from who I do know I feel as if I'm only learn things specifically for the match up and not anything universally I can use against the rest of the cast (I mostly play Ragna's so I feel as if any "ideas", "strats" and such would be specifically for just for the Ragna match up ... I could be looking at this wrong as well) Maybe I didn't catch it within your large post but what fundamentals do you feel someone so know, in air dashers and fighting games in general. lol again I wish there was a comprehensive write up on fighting game theory, I feel as if it would help me alot.
Demon Wind Bomb Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Just set drive to all four buttons. Also somebody should bring Mario Party to CEO.
pktazn Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Can't wait till classes are over (and I graduate!!) so I can start heading out to casuals again~ I miss playing with you guys~ I would have gone this weekend if finals didn't start tomorrow Yes, I should be asleep now but I was up studying lol
Setsuna Posted April 23, 2012 Author Posted April 23, 2012 imo just stick to your strategy of mashing drive <3 That only works on about 70%-80% of FL though D; I want to surpass my limits and take drive mash ... TO A NEW LEVEL ~
AlxIce Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 D mash don't work on me. But you don't show up to tournaments D: speaking of, You NEED to go to CEO De Mayo on May 5th
DC Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 I might come up to CEO de Mayo. Maybe if some of SFL will come with me.
Jyosua Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Btw Hige, I might be able to give you a ride to CEO if you can't get one from somebody else. I've decided to skip Metrocon whichever day the BlazBlue shit happens.
Setsuna Posted April 24, 2012 Author Posted April 24, 2012 Main reason Im not going to De Mayo is the lack of transportation :x
Demon Wind Bomb Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Main reason Im not going to De Mayo is the lack of transportation :x Aw man. There isn't anybody in Jacksonville who you could catch a ride with?
DC Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Hey, can anyone house some players from SFL for CEO de Mayo? If we go my car will have 5 people, including the best Noel in Flawda and two of the best Marvel players from SFL. (one of which = green ace, probably top 5 marvel player in state.) Not that name dropping matters!
Lord Cruxis Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Hey, can anyone house some players from SFL for CEO de Mayo? If we go my car will have 5 people, including the best Noel in Flawda and two of the best Marvel players from SFL. (one of which = green ace, probably top 5 marvel player in state.) Not that name dropping matters! Dayum he couldn't even drop my name lol
Jyosua Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Dayum he couldn't even drop my name lol Who be you?
Demon Wind Bomb Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Sounds like a lot of people are going to this. I'm excited.
DC Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Dayum he couldn't even drop my name lol ...and also coming is Skane, our second string Bang player.
Setsuna Posted April 25, 2012 Author Posted April 25, 2012 Isn't Chris from Jax goin?? I believe he wants to go sometime Friday and stay the night and do the tournament shit the next day and leave ? I haven't asked him but regardless I have plans already sooooo ... oh well :x Its not like anyone will miss a Noel there anyway
Lord Cruxis Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Who be you? Just a guy who was apparently getting a ride from DC but he didn't mention me even though I play blazblue but mentioned people who don't play blazblue :X
DC Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah I'm saving a spot for you scrub but my car is full. Right now it's look like me, you, Luis (that other Hakumen player from CT), Green Ace and Afro. You 100% sure you going?
Lord Cruxis Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Yeah I'm saving a spot for you scrub but my car is full. Right now it's look like me, you, Luis (that other Hakumen player from CT), Green Ace and Afro. You 100% sure you going? I'll know 100% when i get my paycheck this friday. Like i said lol
DC Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 By the way, before we leave for Orlando we are all gonna watch the midnight release of Avengers lol
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