[CSE] Ragna vs Jin

[KayEff]

Discuss the Ragna vs. Jin matchup here.

[Fistmaster049]

As usual, pretty even matchup though Jin will still feel in more control than Rags

[MashThat5A]

Really, I feel as if Ragna has more control in this matchup now, due to Jin's long range moves getting nerfed.

[VR-Raiden]

Block Punishes vs Jin:

Guaranteed:

6C

- IB > CH 5A

- IB > CH B+C

5D (DC)

- IB > CH 5A

- IB > CH B+C

623A/B/C/D

- dash FC 2C

214A

- IB > 5A

- IB > ID©

214B/C

- (dash) 5B

- IB(1) > ID©

- IB(1) > BK > 5B

214D

- NB > (dash) 5B

- IB > FC 2C

- IB(1) > ID©

Touga Hyojin

- During flash CS (delay if full screen)

Hiyoku Getsumei

- dash FC 2C

Anyone let me know if something isn't true or feel free to add anything I miss.

Edited April 2, 2012 by VR-Raiden

[VR-Raiden]

Be careful doing whatever > 3C > ID(D) on Jin...it's whiffs if you aren't REALLY close when you hit the 3C

[-Seo]

Be careful doing whatever > 3C > ID(D) on Jin...it's whiffs if you aren't REALLY close when you hit the 3C

You have to delay the DID a little after 3C if you're at a distance.

[LuminAbyss]

I've whiffed it close to him too, I think it's a hitbox thing, it's annoying cause it works on just about every other character.

[-Kid]

I've whiffed it close to him too, I think it's a hitbox thing, it's annoying cause it works on just about every other character.

Really? wow.

From what i've seen and experienced, it will whiff if you do:

5B > 5C > 3C > DID

In this case the DID will whiff because of the extra added 5C, and it IS a hitbox thing. I don't get why Jin's falling it box is so weird.

I've been at point blank range of 5B and have hit with the following combos:

If we are looking for DID combos, we are better off going for:

5B > 3C > DID (In the corner for 22C combos)

Omit 5C.

Or 5B > 5C/3C > DID (Mid-screen).

Have to be really close though.

[LuminAbyss]

It was the 5C/2C > 3C making me whiff. Thanks for clearing that up. I just kinda assumed "Fuck Jin" and didn't do it while fighting him.

[VR-Raiden]

After actually looking at it in training, seems like it's not as simple as the range you hit 3C at, like it's been said it seems to depend on what moves you did before it. Delaying slightly makes it always hit but I'm probably not gonna mess with that incase I delay too much or forget to. I'm just doing ID© on Jin, damage is hardly any lower anyway.

[-Kid]

You have to delay the DID a little after 3C if you're at a distance.

Confirmed. This actually does work.