Ottawa: Why have fundamentals when you have gimmicks?

[lofo]

Is there a thing going on tomorrow? If so, what time?

[Rigel Cyrosea]

Yeah, I'm hosting tomorrow. If you're coming early, 10:00 is fine. Otherwise show up whenever.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Chipp has one bad matchup? WTF? And Order-Sol is surprisingly solid, apparently.

Nice to see a very narrow spread though. Couldn't find a number higher than 7 and they look like to be the naturally bad matchups by design (Slayer vs. Potemkin).

Chipp and Order Sol got buffed like crazy in +R

Yeah, I'm hosting tomorrow. If you're coming early, 10:00 is fine. Otherwise show up whenever.

Heads up, I'll be leaving Monday to Ottawa and I'll be there till Wednesday. Hopefully I won't have to travel just to Ultimate Salt Fest 3 like I did in Toronto.

[lofo]

Yesterday was great! We even caught the bus home right on time.

Turns out I was wrong about Kliff far S, it's actually 11f startup. Hmm. His sweep is listed as 7f startup, though I think it actually has two parts to the hitbox, so maybe the far hit is slower than that. I have some new stuff to test out in training mode ^_^

Any ideas on what's going on this week?

[Rigel Cyrosea]

I can host any of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Potentially two of those. What works best?

Also, I have someone's usb dongle.

[lofo]

Probably mine. I just checked and it's not packed in with my stick.

I have a doctor's appointment at 3ish on Wednesday but am otherwise free all of those days.

[Essay]

I have a doctor's appointment at 3ish on Wednesday but am otherwise free all of those days.

Same deal with me tomorrow at 2, but I'm otherwise free. We'll see when Blade and Psykotik roll in.

[BladeOfJustice7]

I'll try my best for Monday, I don't know if I'll be able to go for 2 days in a row, since I'll be seeing fam while I'm in Ottawa. But I need to get my GG fix, and maybe some BB.

[Rigel Cyrosea]

Alright, lets do Monday, and we'll see from there. Same times as usual.

[lofo]

Yo Blade, when I was at Foonzo's a couple weeks ago you said of me on stream, "he doesn't play this game," and that made me sad. While you're in town I'd be happy to play a friendly low stakes money match for hype and honour. ^_^

[Essay]

Yo Blade, when I was at Foonzo's a couple weeks ago you said of me on stream, "he doesn't play this game," and that made me sad. While you're in town I'd be happy to play a friendly low stakes money match for hype and honour. ^_^

Woah. Contain that rage, lofo!

I'm there tomorrow with the PS3 as soon as my afternoon frees up.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Yo Blade, when I was at Foonzo's a couple weeks ago you said of me on stream, "he doesn't play this game," and that made me sad. While you're in town I'd be happy to play a friendly low stakes money match for hype and honour. ^_^

LET'S RUN IT.

I just hope I have money TO bet

[lofo]

LET'S RUN IT.

I just hope I have money TO bet

Sweet!

No worries. I'm poor as heck anyways. I'd be fine betting a token thing like a dollar or a signed paper with the word HYPE written on it or whatever

@Essay: You know me. I'm a raging inferno.

@Rigel: Dunno what time I'll get there. Sage said he has some stuff to do in the morning and "for some reason" I slept in till 2pm today. I expect to wake up before that tomorrow, though.

[lofo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s6GbYRsfJ0 Sheer Heart Attack, Ian asked me to repost this in the thread

Since we were talking about combo vids and glitches on Saturday I was going to link some of JAKE's stuff, but his channel seems like it might've been taken down? Ugh. Here are some other videos instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R7kHd-IR2s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPtDQn3nH2c

[LiveWireX]

What the? Stuff getting organized and I'm too caught up in stuff to go? Ah hell, I gotta learn to balance between things and time with the GF, I bet.

[BladeOfJustice7]

Great fucking games, it was an awesome night last night guys. I finally got some GG in for once, Kliff is stupid, Slayer is not so terrifyingly stupid, I CANNOT play the May matchup, Sol vs Ky is so uneven and even all at the same time.

When I left Orleans my cousin's neighborhood had no power and when I got back there was still no power, we only got power back just now.

@livewire

Don't let gf time stop gaming time bro, it would've been awesome if you made it.

@lofo

GGs, clearly I just play Ky and not GG. You on the otherhand actually play GG lol.

Also this is what I was referring to when you play Venom, or any character with a very strong neutral game:

The Power Of Choosing To Do Nothing

Young players calculate everything, a requirement of their relative inexperience. - Samuel Reshevsky

When having an edge, Karpov often marked time and still gained the advantage! I don't know anyone else who could do that, it's incredible. I was always impressed and delighted by this skill. When it looked like it was high time to start a decisive attack, Karpov played a3, h3, and his opponent's position collapsed. - Vladimir Kramnik

In pretty much any game, be it GG, chess, tiddlywinks, or whatever, your chances of making a mistake will go up with the more moves you have to make from non-forced decisions. So for two players of equal skill, if one player is compelled to to make more non-forced decisions than the other player who can opt to pass and simply not have to think, the player making more decisions will tend to make more mistakes, and the player who can pass without consequence will make fewer mistakes and thereby tend to win more often.

A lot of beginning to mid-level players will oftentimes avoid allowing an advantageous situation go to neutral, for fear of allowing the opponent out of the box or giving an opponent a turn. However, if the only decisions the opponent is allowed to make are forced moves, then good players will simply choose the forced move without having to think, be it block, DAA, or whatever. So sometimes, and especially if you are Ky and you have your opponent in the rainbow of sadness, it can be better to simply do nothing or something non-committal and basically pass your turn, and let the opponent do something. If Ky has the opponent in the rainbow of sadness, a lot of those choices presented to the opponent can be rendered to be a mistake.

From a strategy point of view, it's also effective because you don't really have to think as hard as your opponent, which is almost always a good thing:

1) Present your opponent with lots of choices from a myriad of options

2) Make small tactical moves to make most of those choices wrong, like moving in and out of the rainbow of sadness

3) Let the opponent hang himself

Your decisions are easy because you get to pass, whereas your opponent's decisions are hard, because he has to choose to do something among many choices, a lot of which are wrong.

A lot of negative style players will try to enter into these situations as often as possible. One of the big tell tale signs of a good negative style player is when you see lots of situations where he seemingly does nothing or innocuously safe/non-committal moves, and then his opponent suddenly inexplicably commits suicide. What looks like a complete blunder was actually induced psychologically from allowing the opponent to make the wrong decision.

Here is a vid example from 25:08 onwards:

25:09-25:16 - off of a simple block string, since Pot is in the corner and in Ky's rainbow of sadness, Ky passes his turn and just stands there. Pot tries to escape with a suicide dive, which Ky picks off with a 6P without having to think.

25:16-25:31 - simple tactics to put Pot back in the same situation - 2HS abare with the intention to either jump cancel SE if blocked or S/HS to place him back. Once back in, Ky pretty much does a whole bunch of nothing since he has Pot in the rainbow of sadness, Pot again tries to get out, and loses lots of life trying to do so.

25:35-25:44 - Ky just stands there again and passes, Pot does another suicide dive, though Pot FDs the ensuing 6P. Doesn't matter since Pot is back in that situation. Ky essentially passes some more by jumping around in the rainbow of sadness, Pot does a slide head which Ky punishes with air dash.

25:51-26:14 - Ky again pretty much does a whole lot of nothing without really thinking near the rainbow of sadness, Pot tries to do things but gets hit on reaction by Ky. Eventually Pot tries another ill-advised slidehead, which Ky punishes.

Though, pretty much the entire Ky/Pot set has good or hilarious examples of Ky doing nothing and Pot committing suicide in front of Ky.

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[LiveWireX]

Yeah. I'll just have to check the boards more. Next time there's something with BB/P4A/GG on in the city, I'll have to swing by. See, I'm so out of the loop these days, I don't even remember if things are back at the Gonq or not.

[sagacious]

Can't sleep... Ky will oki me...

GGs Blade et al! Hope we can see you again today. I'll just be checking this thread periodically so whenever people wake up, I'm available for more.

Livewire, the next thing we're planning is possibly today, possibly tomorrow, depending on how tired people are from staying up til 5 am.

[sagacious]

Also, Dev, we should play the Millia mirror some more, since that matchup is like 90% air footsies and neutral game as far as I can tell.

[Rigel Cyrosea]

If nobody has any objections, then lets do games today instead of Wednesday, because that way I don't have to move all my stuff back and forth. I'm up, so feel free to come by whenever.

[LiveWireX]

Oh, so stuff's kinda just "whenever" now instead of set days or weekends?

[Essay]

If nobody has any objections, then lets do games today instead of Wednesday, because that way I don't have to move all my stuff back and forth. I'm up, so feel free to come by whenever.

I'll swing by after dinner this time.

Oh, so stuff's kinda just "whenever" now instead of set days or weekends?

Was pretty consistently Saturdays, especially once HQ stopped running, but this week our gracious host has time to kill before the new semester starts. :D

[sagacious]

Colin and I are on the way, sorry for the delay!

[Tuigi]

I'll be a new comer tonight guys! Looking forward to meeting you all!

[Tapioca]

Hey guys, i'm surprised that there are people in ottawa who actually play fighting games!! haha. Thats awesome, I just recently picked up guilty gear xx ^ +. and i've been looking for some local opponents. How often do you guys get together?