RurouniLoneWolf Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Great ft10. Glad this happened. I learned a lot from watching TD's Rachel.
TD Posted February 2, 2013 Author Posted February 2, 2013 Result is 10-4 TD. Good shit, Carl can be a pain in the ass to block. Besides that, I'm glad people watched this and I hope you guys enjoyed the show. Sadly Akira cannot post here anymore, but I'm sure he'd be saying the same thing.
Star-Demon Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Thanks for everyone that dropped in - I'll upload the event today.
Michiru Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 That was as fun as fun could get, I didnt believe i could win. However that does not make it any less as fun. GG's
Dreiko Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I watched a bit of the youtube vid and paused to come here and comment. I think the shit talk is fun but at the same time I'd expect a bit more professionalism from the stream chat if this thing is intended to make outsiders come and take an interest in BB again...but ah well, it'll get there I guess. I think Star should be doing the announcing though, which he may in the later bits of the vid, I'll find out once I finish watching! In any case, calling someone a bitch for not counterpicking is not really productive. You could just as much praise him for being a character loyalist. No need to pick the asshole thing to say there, it doesn't make you look cool, all it does is makes us seem like a community of dicks.
Zeron_X25 Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 intended to make outsiders come and take an interest in BB again Please get real.
Dreiko Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Please get real. I'm sorry if I'm mistaken but I thought this was done in response to a thread made a while back about making online more active and whatnot. If it's not the case then I withdraw the above statement in it's entirety.
TD Posted February 3, 2013 Author Posted February 3, 2013 your cause is noble, however l think this was intended more of a casual, fun idea. like if this was a tournament it would be more serious. if outsiders were to look at the video anyway, they'd see some good players fighting. pretty sure they'd be more into that than the commentary. both akira and l know these guys, we know they were joking so no bad blood there either unless that's what you guys want... feuds and ft10's everywhereee
Dreiko Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Alright then, in that case I think this was quite a bit of fun indeed. I guess I went into this expecting something different than what it was intended to be, sorry for being overly serious or w/e. :p
TD Posted February 3, 2013 Author Posted February 3, 2013 it's completely understandable and fine. l suppose l could clarify that bit a little more next time.
Star-Demon Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I also think Star should get to talk more.
Star-Demon Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) As far as feuds are concerned: No one cares. It's as manufactured as a Vince Russo Worked Shoot. These sorts of events have gravity to them because real competitive beefs or questions can be settled over netplay or in an offline FT10/MM. I'm troubled by the FT10s appearing in the sense that they are attempting to manufacture hype over players that aren't nationally recognized nor do we have any kind of attachment to. This isn't E-Sports Entertainment. If anything - we should take a lesson from wrestling and not do worked shoots or constant angles. There's nothing wrong with watching two really good players test each other - that should be the focus; Competitive focus. Edited February 3, 2013 by Star-Demon
sinder Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Please get real. that is the point of these netplay warrior events Derp
Dreiko Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 As far as feuds are concerned: No one cares. It's as manufactured as a Vince Russo Worked Shoot. These sorts of events have gravity to them because real competitive beefs or questions can be settled over netplay or in an offline FT10/MM. I'm troubled by the FT10s appearing in the sense that they are attempting to manufacture hype over players that aren't nationally recognized nor do we have any kind of attachment to. This isn't E-Sports Entertainment. If anything - we should take a lesson from wrestling and not do worked shoots or constant angles. There's nothing wrong with watching two really good players test each other - that should be the focus; Competitive focus. I don't think the FT10s attempt to manufacture hype, merely generate it naturally. It's a good cause. I'm all for competitive focus. This focus is somewhat diluted when people speak of masturbation and "niggas" and all kinds of stuff in the skype voice chat though. I do realize this was a friendly thing among people comfortable with each-other thus some leeway should be granted but if we wish to have this competitive focus people need to be actually focused on the match and try and break down the events in an analytical manner that will provide the listener with insights and can be understood even by novices. "He's mashing" and "this game is stupid" is not descriptive enough, do bettorz! In any case, I think you can handle the announcing by yourself fine, just put your foot down a bit more about doing the voice work next time or something. XD
NeoGio0o Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Dreiko you are trying to add too much depth to something that just isn't there. Shiro is known for mashing his buttons to avoid blocking and trying to deviate from that by adding some inflated language like "It was a good read" or "his button was strategically spaced" just sounds dumb. We already have WAY too many things to help new players (Character wiki, Character forums, beginner mode section on DL, Dustloop.com, Ragna, In game tutorials, game manual, more general discussions than Carl and Tao players in America, Q and A threads, JOURDAL!!!!, etc.) if people can't learn the game with all these tools then they are just a lost cause. The FT10's are there to give people a little entertainment and a place to watch the game be played from a different perspective. Edited February 3, 2013 by NeoGio0o
Dreiko Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I don't think helping people already interested in the game enough to look up these things is the issue here. It's about attracting new people into the game. I'm not even talking about helping people get better through announcing, just having the speech be something more than noise/distraction, buddies chatting about their personal subjects that random listeners wouldn't know anything about and have no reason to wanna listen to, with a few half-assed remarks about the matches happening on the background of their chat. Listening to it made the actual match feel like the background and the chat that was happening (about this one person who was getting a haircut or something) seemed to capture much more of their interest. It's kinda hard to get into the matches and get hype in that atmosphere. I'm not saying you have to beautify dumb choices, just...say "he uses 5A, and 2A, and 5A, get's counter hit cause he should be blocking there" or something akin to that, the fact that that's what he does will become apparent quickly enough. In any case, I already understand the purpose of this so there's little point to restating my original point, as it was based on my misinterpretation. I just feel like explaining my original thought process on the matter since some parts of it may have been unclear.
Star-Demon Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Dreiko you trying to add too much depth to something that just isn't there. Shiro is known for mashing his buttons to avoid blocking and trying to deviate from that by adding some inflated language like "It was a good read" or "his button was strategically spaced" just sounds dumb. Not sure if I should add my thoughts on this. I *will* say that there's a difference of what people expect out of these things and if we are all interested in expanding our playerbase and developing players that are local stream-worthy, that these differences needs to be understood. We already have WAY too many things to help new players (Character wiki, Character forums, beginner mode section on DL, Dustloop.com, Ragna, In game tutorials, game manual, more general discussions than Carl and Tao players in America, Q and A threads, JOURDAL!!!!, etc.) if people can't learn the game with all these tools then they are just a lost cause. The FT10's are there to give people a little entertainment and a place to watch the game be played from a different perspective. *Too many*? Do you honestly think we should have less help for new and current players? Wild. I don't think people are a lost cause just because we don't acknowledge that our current tools only address a subset of learning dimensions. There are so many ways to learn FGs, and I am sure that we do not use our full set of skills and resources to get the full range. Most of what you list is like "Throw books at their heads and if it doesn't stick fuck em". That's a terrible attitude for anyone interested in teaching others. For example: I'm a bit of a social learner. It wasn't until I realized the difference between someone like myself (who has no means of talking to anyone about anything past 140 characters or a short PM) and someone who sits down face-to-face and plays people offline and can actually discuss and correct things on the spot that I realized that I can't use my own learning strengths to learn the game. When you see how little we implement collaboration, guidance and mentoring because of the online-ness of our scene it becomes a little more clear why we aren't raising new nationally competitive players to dazzle everyone. I'm kinda rambling, though... Edited February 3, 2013 by Star-Demon
Star-Demon Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 (edited) Changes I'm probably going to make to my own stream: 1. You have to be watching the match to be a skype guest. 2. I am going to consider limiting the amount of guests. 3. This is a personal preference, so I'm going to consider it carefully before I act, but I might start moderating side chat if I think we're not even talking about the game or the players anymore. I'm not trying to go E-SPORTS or be a self-important ass or anything, but when I think of what it is I'm trying to accomplish and bring to the table, I have to Alpha Up and set some kind of rules. Edited February 3, 2013 by Star-Demon
NeoGio0o Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Okay first off there are three ways to learn Auditory:Listeners, Visual:See, Kinesthetic:Touch. Star need someone to sit down with you and TELL you what you are doing wrong so this means you are an auditory learner. Note how I never said to take away tools I simply pointed out how abundant our tools are and at the rate we are going the only thing left to do is to just say "give me the controller and let me hit the buttons". Jourdal as well as the majority of the community provide the videos which are for people who rely on seeing/listening things to learn, Dustloop provides information via walls of text so that caters to people on the more visual end of things and people who like reading, finally playing the game and getting that hands on experience provides the Kinesthetic side of things. If you look at my list outside of a few lol's it showed different ways you can get the same type of information and it was not just a "Throw books at their heads and if it doesn't stick fuck em", however I don't see the problem with this at all because just like cancer patients not everyone can be salvaged. Addressing the point about inflated language, no matter how you may choose to word it mashing is mashing. Haven doing CH anti air 5A into IAD j.CCCC with Hazama is not a hit confirm it is mashing, Akira shiro waking up not blocking is not him trying to yomi something it is him waking up and holding up back, Mu-12 having a "bad" match up doesn't make her any less fraudulent, no matter how many news reporter say it, aspergers was not the reason that guy TMG those 5 year old kids in that school. Gio mashes 5B mid-blockstring Gio likes to use 5B to poke out of his opponents block string Notice how in the end I am still pressing buttons mid blockstring just that one statement is more refined than the other. 2 X 1 and 1 X 2 both equal 2.
xntrikcat Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I'm troubled by the FT10s appearing in the sense that they are attempting to manufacture hype over players that aren't nationally recognized nor do we have any kind of attachment to. TD and Akira both placed at a major and I think they represent some of the best players in the community. It's awesome to see other players take up the challenge also. I don't think this is "manufacturing" hype, but just a genuine way to watch others play and have a good time. Speaking of which, I think Star-Demon vs. Cookiehour FT10 would be a fucking awesome event. Re: Commentaries 1. Too many people speaking all at the same time. 2. "GEORGE!!!!" bits were hilarious and entertaining. 3. BRIO counter didn't really work, but it could have. 4. Syncing problem - was it just me, or was the commentary lagging behind the stream? I think having 2 commentators, like any sporting event, would be ideal. One person does more play-by-plays, the other person chips in with teh funniez and witty remarks. Just constructive feedback, guys. Keep it real, yo
Hellknight10 Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I do agree with Dreiko in that the commentary should be a bit more professional but like TD said this wasn't a professional event it was just a simple casual bout between two good players and it was commentated by people that knew these players for example if I was commentating a tournament I would actually talk about the match and what these players could have been doing or are doing well, this doesnt have to be E-sports but it does need to at least be related to the things the people are viewing if the event demands it however no one here said that these things have to be about attracting new players at all, at least not this particular event hopefully this attracting of new players start happening when CP hits America though...
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