Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Freshly updated with new P4U2 info! Currently Known: (thanks to Omex and stunedge for translating stuff) LOKETEST #3 INFO AS OF NOVEMBER 18TH, 2013: 214D fatal recoveryj.c hitbox nerfed, harder to anti anti air, can’t do instant j.c, fatal recovery, cannot take air actions afterwards, comes out slowerthey nerfed the tackle5C does not fatal counter, full charge does still5B gatling is unchanged form last loketestCan cancel last hit of dial A into either air cruel attack or j.214adue to the j.C hitbox nerf so it does not hit people if you do instant j.c, it has also become weaker as an anti anti air. Shadow Kanji Combo - Dive > 236236AB > 236236AB > 236CD > j.B > 2B comboed, damage was around 3100. 214CD does 2568214D has increased forward momentum, same with 214214CDCharge 5B might be + on block5C still paralyzes5AA still advances him forwardDial A is much improvedBoth arms have a hitbox for j.Cj.C is slower, doesn’t hit standing opponents, Fatal RecoveryAll CMD grabs have Fatal RecoveryLess gatlings with 5B?Mobility still reducedD moves no longer have projectile invulnTackle performance reduced214C Invuln removednote - as of day two, kanji’s 214c is no longer FC recovery. lol?236236AB counterhit does 3720214214CD does 5500 (supposedly) (first time it’s had a damage buff)2C dash cancelableCan combo his current dial A into j.214A for a hard knockdown, though it sounds like the current auto combo leads into j.236A/b5C > 2D is now a gatlingTK j.236AB has a ‘good trajectory’, meaning it covers a distance/angle Kanji currently does not haveSBバスタ派生耐えてがBバスタぐらいのショボイ移動距離だったような。いよいよ死に技？タイミング？5C > 2D chain is rollable, but 5C > Primal Force(tackle) will hit the rollersCurrently, 214C/Ds will turn into Primal Forces (due to charge input? the person who mentions this thinks it might be exclusively his arcade station)236236AB minimum damage is 1kj.236a is +2, j.236b is -? apparently they both frametrap jumpers nicely off of j.bthere are cancel frames on the last frames of 236A to air chair or j.214SB. because of it, the player didn’t manage to supercancel into 236236AB. lol what the hell2C > Special cancel doesn’t work(?)because of the slower j.c startup stylish combos involving it are gonej.B > dive doesn’t work, 214214C > Dive doesn’t work.Seems like Kanji wills till have a very hard time vs Hanamura, Yukiko, YukariUniversal System Changes:Guardroll added. (Kanji's is short as fuck, though.)Air moves can now be used after backdash.New autocombo.Blocked DP > Super still in.Characters now have Skill Boost supers; 75 meter for more damage. (Some supers exempt)Special cancel possible after D followup for AoA.Gold burst nerfed, much longer overall frames.Attacks can be canceled into short hop.Attacks can be done much sooner after a short hop.Can burst during the shadow overdrive animation (so you can burst it on reaction)Shadow character intro animations are differentFatals might do 20% on first hit rather than 10%S hold super is 236236AS hold supers do not consume meterNew Move: Primal Force Kanji strikes a pose while Take-Mikazuchi does a flying shoulder check across the screen. Penetrates projectiles. Cannot be OMC. Can chain Primal Force > AoA for whatever reason.Primal force sets Take behind the opponent, allowing for Yukiko-esque combosCan combo Primal Force > 5DCan combo off of Primal Force (Tackle) with 5C/2CPrimal Force has a better hitbox (in terms of not getting persona broken) than Yosuke 5DBuffs:Kanji can now charge his 5B to make it bigger, causes spinning CH on normal hit when charged236A/B performable in air.EX chair super wallbounds on last hit. (Functions like Naoto wallbound?)Command Throws are available in Persona Break.214214CD doesn't have 0F startup, but increased range over 214214C/D.5C causes Paralysis on hit5C and 2B are both hop cancelable. 5C is dash cancelable.5B > AoA now works.j.b j.b j.236A/B works, but might be FC only.5C can be canceled into 214c(!?), which is why 5B 5C is gone apparently.backdash > yolodive works.Normal grab now leaves opponent close to kanji, dial A possible most likelySB Chair super - 2B comboed after for sureStill possible to get an easy 5K off of 5C FCs despite combo changes236C has new movement/tracking to improve it2C has dash cancelHitbox underneath j.C may have been addedNerfs:Persona Cards lowered to 3.j.B to 214B no longer works.Air backdash distance reduced by half.Normal grab range shortened.Recovery after j.C is increased.j.B Untechable time reduced.Cannot do personaless 214C when 5/j/2D is active.5B>2B and 5B>5C removed.236A/B followup changed (no longer auto tracks at full screen)Can’t do air actions after whiffing j.cSB followup chair now does 450 guaranteed damage rather than 600Chair after 236236A no longer floats the opponent on hitFollowup 236B is garbagej.C now has FC recovery in the air, but not on the groundj.D does not have projectile invuln Unknown/Unconfirmed: [*]New move/motion was seen after landing a grab [*]Recovery of charge 5B does not change [*]236B followup chair might have VERY fast recovery, allow for 5AA pickup [*]YMST says Kanji’s neutral is stronger [*]214C/D/CD damage increased？ SB grab was 3300 [*]5AA and 5AAA are now different. 5AA now hits like A.B.A.'s Moroha HS, 5AAA throws the opponent into the air. Theoretically we can combo after that with air moves. 5AA has the same cancel options as it does now. [*]236A/B followup changed, not quite sure how at the moment. SB version is either unchanged or just hasn't been changed yet. [*]Faster sweep? [*]D grab changed (able to move before throw comes out?) Shadow Kanji Info: [*]when shadow kanji wins, he puts on the fundoshi and poses [*]Shadow activate looks like it can be used as an OMC。5AA sweep > activate > 2C possible. [*]by the way, ~Sweep >Activate > 5C > 236AB > 236236a > 214214C only does 5k [*]Near, corner, AoAD> 2A > 2B > CorD tackle comboed, but it seemed like 5A would not combo afterwards [*]２Ｂ＞５Ｃ＞236B＞２Ａ＞５Ｂ＞Sweep ＞omc iad j.B＞５Ｃ＞２Ｂ＞236C = 4700 214C＞Shadow mode＞DP＞236236A＞236236A＞214214C seems possible Combo Change Nonsense [*][5B] > AoA comboed [*]236D/CD -> Command grab does not work [*]When doing 236C 5AA 236C combos, going for 236C 5AAAAAA will be a viable option now, as it ends in hard knockdown and the damge difference is not great + burst + meter gain [*]雄たけび時の5B>5C>2C>小ジャンJB>2B>JBが小ジャン以降全部クリーンヒットで空中波動で〆て3300すね (if he’s referring to charged 5B as ‘war cry’ then 5B > 5C > 2C > hop j.b > 2B > hop cancel j.b works as a combo for 3300. not sure on ender. [*]SB Chair super - 2B comboed after for sure, あと椅子投げで１０００くらい減ったよ [*]For now, comboing into j.236B > 236236A seems stable [*]According to moke(?), it’s possible to do Primal Force > 5C > knockdown, so you can get paralyze okizeme on hit. depends on spacing Edited November 19, 2013 by Martian Buddy
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 [8/15/2013 11:02:32 PM] Omex: i found twitter [8/15/2013 11:02:33 PM] Omex: i found stuff [8/15/2013 11:02:35 PM] Omex: translating [8/15/2013 11:02:35 PM] Omex: now [8/15/2013 11:03:40 PM] Omex: sb chair super [8/15/2013 11:03:41 PM] Omex: wallbounce [8/15/2013 11:05:16 PM] Omex: SB grab super did 3260 on an awakening [8/15/2013 11:05:26 PM] Omex: sweep faster? [8/15/2013 11:05:38 PM] Omex: 5c is paralyze only on hit [8/15/2013 11:06:15 PM] Omex: j.b to b dive doesn't work [8/15/2013 11:06:17 PM] Omex: j.b untech time reduced [8/15/2013 11:07:06 PM] Omex: recovery after j.c is increased [8/15/2013 11:07:41 PM] Omex: air backdash distance reduced by half [8/15/2013 11:08:16 PM] Omex: it sounds like [8/15/2013 11:08:18 PM] Omex: they completely changed [8/15/2013 11:08:20 PM] Omex: followup chair [8/15/2013 11:11:01 PM] Omex: 5AA IS A [8/15/2013 11:11:01 PM] Omex: NEW NORMAL [8/15/2013 11:11:05 PM] Omex: IT'S ABA'S MOROHA HS [8/15/2013 11:12:53 PM] Omex: shadow kanji has a new move [8/15/2013 11:12:55 PM] Omex: charge attack [8/15/2013 11:12:56 PM] Omex: sb available [8/15/2013 11:13:20 PM] Omex: yo [8/15/2013 11:13:22 PM] Omex: new move [8/15/2013 11:13:25 PM] Omex: is take doing a shoulder charge [8/15/2013 11:14:03 PM] Omex: jp have no idea what it's for [8/15/2013 11:14:40 PM] Omex: shadow has less cancel options [8/15/2013 11:16:14 PM] Omex: D grab has changed [8/15/2013 11:16:17 PM] Omex: you might be able to move before the grab comes out [8/15/2013 11:16:20 PM] Omex: or od something like that [8/15/2013 11:16:36 PM] Omex: you can move during d grab before the grab comes out it seems like [8/15/2013 11:18:54 PM] Omex: normal grab changed [8/15/2013 11:19:21 PM] Omex: range is shorter [12:03:05 AM] Omex: YO [12:03:06 AM] Omex: KANJI [12:03:14 AM] Omex: CAN COMMAND GRAB WITHOUT PERSONA. MAYBE [12:04:13 AM] Omex: THIS LIST IS WEIRD [12:04:20 AM] Omex: SUPER GRAB AND COMMAND GRAB WITHOUT PERSONA? [12:05:29 AM] Cyber: Maybe that's just for his shadow form? [12:05:40 AM] Omex: if it is his shadow form is SUPER WEIRD sorry for lazy formatting we're still trying to get things straightened out. EX chair super wallbounds on last hit. EX grab does more damage and maybe lets you recover faster? and 236A can be done int he air. followup chairs are super different?
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Command grabs without Persona does sound crazy if it's for regular Kanji. With only 3 cards to work with we'll probably have to start relying on specials that don't use Persona. Unless they decreased the time that it's actually out.
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Command grabs without Persona does sound crazy if it's for regular Kanji. With only 3 cards to work with we'll probably have to start relying on specials that don't use Persona. Unless they decreased the time that it's actually out. less cards = recharge faster. apparenlty the only moves that require persona now are antiair grab, the new tackle move and dp? things are messy to translate/find thanks to shadow version and stuff
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 less cards = recharge faster. apparenlty the only moves that require persona now are antiair grab, the new tackle move and dp? things are messy to translate/find thanks to shadow version and stuff good point. If the above is true it might be easier to deal with his crappier matchups. Only thing I'm thinking in regards to the shoulder tackle move is that Kanji may have just gotten Hammerfall.
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) ok yea. j.B Untechable time reduced (not sure if Buff or Nerf), but they aren't sure if hte untech time was lowered, or if j.214b is slower. 5aa and 5aaa have been replaced. 5aa is like aba's moroha HS. 5aaa is like a throw that tosses upwards. i think j.214b might combo after 5aaa? this new 5aa has all of the same cancel options as our current 5aa. j.b untech time is definitely a nerf. i don't know about j.214b being slower but j.b 214b doesn't work anymore. guardrolls (like kof) have been added. kanji's is SUPER SHORT. characters can now do air moves out of backdash, so we can do j.214b, j.236a, etc. 236a/b followup attacks have been changed. translation was a bit iffy, i needed to spend time on it, but 236a and 236b as followup attacks are different now. SB is... unchanged? or a change is coming but not here yet? something like that. 追加バスタ:B版は軌道が通常Bバスタに(繋がらない)A版の距離が遠い気がする。 shoulder tackle move is a charge move. jp has no idea how to use it yet but considering shadow kanji's combo routes are completely different that's probably for a good reason. Edited August 16, 2013 by Omex
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 alright, thanks kindly Omex, first post is updated with what we know.
HoudiniJr100 Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 wait, so since j.b to 214 b is not working, does j.b to 214 A/EX214 still work? Thats my only concern, though I admit with shadow kanji the soulder charge sounds pretty nifty as to what it possibly could do
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 I'm gonna be doing my best to pull info in and out today, my japanese is still lacking for fighting game terms so I don't want to post things that are misleading too much lol. random things i've read btw: new tackle special is like teddie 5C. C is fast, D is slow but goes fullscreen, SB is slow and they dunno what to use it for (in general they don't know what ot use it for lol). not sure if we can use it in fatal combos. I think you can follow up if it hits them. They aren't sure what 236A/B in the air are for-I think it was a little slow on startup and definitely falls kinda slowly. People speculate it's going to be focused/used for backdash j.236a and hop cancel 236a since that's a new focus. People are going to be doing tests to see if j.b's untech time is worse or if j.214b is slower, people aren't sure. Oh, and you can't j.236a/b~j.214b lolol shadow kanji mostly plays like kanji barring the system changes? (according to bbs). Honestly I've been looking to make sure what's a shadow change and what's not, like 5C paralyze, and I haven't seen things about 5C paralyze in a while, loketests are hard ww
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 According to SoWL in the news thread Kanji can command throw without his Persona now. That's a nice buff if anything.
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 According to SoWL in the news thread Kanji can command throw without his Persona now. That's a nice buff if anything. yeah. also, sorry for not updating my earlier posts where I posted some unverified stuff; since it was late last night I hadn't thought of deleting that since the main post was on point of only updating what was mostly accurate. also, http://puu.sh/43yom
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 also, http://puu.sh/43yom So shoulder charge looks like it might also be on regular Kanji? Argh, this would be so much easier to sort out if we had actual footage of someone using him.
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) So shoulder charge looks like it might also be on regular Kanji? Argh, this would be so much easier to sort out if we had actual footage of someone using him. that command list is what's getting me confused, yeah. a lot of things got mentioned at weird times/not mentioned at all on twitter. i havent' seen mention of paralysis 5C in quite a while so I'm wondering if that was real, and um, a few posts on the BBS and whatnot saying 'shadow kanji plays mostly like normal kanji barring system mechanics and something with 5b 2b' makes me question which info is about him, which isn't, and yeah http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=YrbNYMwVkBo&t=150 side footage right htere - 236B knockdown being different confirmed. Edited August 16, 2013 by Omex
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 Do we have any info on what the 236C/D imput is? Cause I'm drawing a blank. Also apparently none of his command throws use Persona anymore, according to the command list. Maybe having the Persona unbroken will just cause more damage or something. And I guess I'll move 5C paralysis to unconfirmed until we get something concrete on it.
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Do we have any info on what the 236C/D imput is? Cause I'm drawing a blank. his... his anti air persona grab. heavenly potty buster. etc. you use it in like every combo.
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 I am a goddamn idiot. Blame me staying up late on that one.
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 there's an evernote going on with a bunch of changes for everyone now. theorized that take tackle might beat projectiles both versions have the same special move. both versions can command grab/super grab without persona. both versions have 3 cards. 5C paralyze on hit is for both sb chair super definitely has wallbound, might be like naoto's wallbound. 214214CD is not 0f startup, but the range is drastically bigger. it looks like from now on we should assume, all specials are universal with shadow, and outside of dial A changes, they're identical (barring system mechanics)
Martian Buddy Posted August 16, 2013 Author Posted August 16, 2013 OP updated. Nice to see the Shoulder Charge is for both Kanji's. Not sure how I feel about his super grab not being 0F anymore, but the increased range might now give us a reason to use it.
Powerstar7 Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 It had 0frame startup all this time...and I didn't notice. all the lost matches I might have won
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 214214C/D should still be 0f. 214214CD is not, but it has massive range on it. c'mon guys ;;
Kairos Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Oh thank god I was scared for a second. It would've been almost useless outside of that one combo because upback forever. Also I'm not sure what A.B.A mover we're referencing for his 5AA, anyone mind sharing?
Omex Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 Oh thank god I was scared for a second. It would've been almost useless outside of that one combo because upback forever. Also I'm not sure what A.B.A mover we're referencing for his 5AA, anyone mind sharing? her moroha HS. a big ass horizontal attack.
HoudiniJr100 Posted August 16, 2013 Posted August 16, 2013 So basically they said the auto combos changed right? This ought to be interesting, gotta see if I can do my A,A,A,2B combo if possible.
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