Luminos564 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 One of Ragna's possible endings is encountering a shadowy Noel consumed by her Murakumo programming. Pretty much the same thing happens, though this is Noel before she inherited the Azure. Wait a minute, if all you need to make a Black Beast is a Murakumo and an Azure, why was Hazama hellbent on becoming one with Noel (Mu-12)? Couldn't he have just, I dunno, used a more obedient Murakumo for that purpose? Like say, Nu-13? Not like it'd be hard to get her to cooperate either. Sure, he'd have had to wait a bit longer for her tampering to be complete but it's not like time is a massive concern to him. Or if the 13th unit is not an option, just salvage Lamb-chops and use her. What makes, at the time, not-Azure Successor Noel the better option when she already refused to help the man she knew screwed her family over?
mAc Chaos Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 He didn't want a Black Beast. He wanted Kusanagi. Although that raises the question of who wanted Nu to merge with Ragna in the first place, to set all of that up.
Luminos564 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 He didn't want a Black Beast. He wanted Kusanagi. Except in CP, Nu-13 (after she synchronized with Noel and later was absorbed by Take-Mikazuchi) revealed that one of Noel's own memories (one she herself suppressed mind you) is of her refusal to merge with Hazama/Terumi because he "hurt her family". Nu-13 directly stated that he wanted to become a Black Beast during the dialogue. Although that raises the question of who wanted Nu to merge with Ragna in the first place, to set all of that up. You know, that IS a good question. It isn't Terumi or anything since he hated having to deal with the thing. It certainly wasn't Rachel or Kokonoe (Sector 7). And it definitely wouldn't be someone like Haku-men or Jubei. So that only leaves either Izanami herself or some other side is at work.
harmless kitten Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Theory: It was just a convoluted plot to set up the possibility of forming a life-link with Noel. Terumi's shown to plan ahead, such as feeding all the of Kagutsuchi NOL soldiers to the Altar. He never wanted to create a Black Beast at all. That was just lip service for S7. Or it was an attempt at making a controllable Black Beast. Hazama's the one that takes Nu to Kagutsuchi in her short story, so he probably did set all of it up. Edited January 4, 2014 by harmless kitten
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Wasn't the black beast a result of him messing with a cauldron? He probably wanted Nu and Ragna to fuse to try and control it since he failed to do so with Noel. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Luminos564 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Speaking of Cauldrons, didn't he mention at one point that the method by which a Black Beast is created was invented by Nine? It makes sense since the Nox Nyctores are powered by a mini-BB and we've been shown in Extend's story that Kokonoe is capable of making one herself, which resulted in powering Ignis and re-powering Nirvana. But then, why all this complicated business with fusing Murakumo and Azures? If it's size then look no further than Take-Mikazuchi who is plenty huge and he's powered by a mini-BB.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Probably not as powerful though considering Ragna was able to destroy it with his his Azure alone. I'd assume that the "mini BB" as we'll call it(Funny how it has the same initals as the Blazblue) isn't as powerful without a piece of the azure and a Murakumo, who was designe to integrate with the azure.
Stryker115 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 reminding that Azure and Azure Grimoire are completely separate things the Azure Grimoire is merely the tool in order to tap into the power of the Azure the Azure is power coming from the "Boundary" and Noel never had an Azure Grimoire with her she was just chosen by the Master Unit to be the "Eye of the Azure" so thats where her Azure power comes from I'd assume that the "mini BB" as we'll call it(Funny how it has the same initals as the Blazblue) isn't as powerful without a piece of the azure and a Murakumo, who was designe to integrate with the azure. you lost me
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 He was wondering why Terumi went through all of the trouble of merging an Azure Grimoire and a Murakumo to create a black beast, when it can be made according to Nine.
harmless kitten Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 The Black Beast spawned in the sidestory was teeny weeny, and may have been isolated to the Cauldron and its immediate vicinity. A full-fledged Black Beast is probably not able to be shrunken down by Infinite Gravity. Nine also pioneered said technique to make the Black Beast cores. Infinite Gravity may be limited to top tier mages like Nine and Kokonoe.
mAc Chaos Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 What is a Black Beast anyway. Like why are they giant monsters. Reminds me of those shadowy smiling things from FMA.
Stryker115 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 He was wondering why Terumi went through all of the trouble of merging an Azure Grimoire and a Murakumo to create a black beast, when it can be made according to Nine. What I was lost in was the awful grammar caused be phone posting shenanigans
Shinhwa Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Huh....? I thought Terumi tried to make the Kusanagi by fusing Ragna and Nu but it always ended up in failure @___@; I think state of mind may have something to do with the fusion failure though. I mean Ragna never wanted to fuse with Nu not even once did he (well... maybe except the anime...?)
kibakirain Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) What is a Black Beast anyway. Like why are they giant monsters. Reminds me of those shadowy smiling things from FMA. I remember the Black Beast being a huge mass of seithr that came out of the cauldron. (You said FMA...) (ノ°ο°)ノ Edited January 5, 2014 by kibakirain
Shinhwa Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 This is just a guess.... but what if Black Beast is actually the corrupt form of what it truly should be? Well although the successful product is Kusanagi, but... what if there is another hidden aspect that we don't know to the fusion?
Calamitus Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Black Beast is only reasonable candidate for final boss role. Usually games use standart scheme where bosses become more badass with each game. This one is probably not exception. I dont think they will put just unlimited character, because they have to make something more epic than Take-Mikazuchi. But that's just logic of standart cliche game. So far only Izanami has obvious reasons and ability to summon it. (pretty baseless, i guess)
BlackYakuzu94 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 It all leads back to the beast. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Toxin45 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 On gamefaqs it's stated that They maid Izanami quite similar to Terumi the only difference is that she can't control her vessel properly
Toxin45 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 =_=............. Well I got an account there too and yeah.....
Toxin45 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Although the Black Beast appeared in XBlaze which seems to imply that it wasn't always a fusion between a Murakumo and a Azure Grimore but rather an entity.
Zedar90 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Although the Black Beast appeared in XBlaze which seems to imply that it wasn't always a fusion between a Murakumo and a Azure Grimore but rather an entity. There is nothing that says that the "God of Calamity" isn't a "Murakumo Unit"/"Azure Grimoire" fusion... But at the same time the reverse can be said as well.
Shinhwa Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Well considering the fact Toya or Ragna can turn into a full Black Beast and destroy the world without fusing in bad ends, I guess it doesn't always have to be a fusion...?
Toxin45 Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Well considering the fact Toya or Ragna can turn into a full Black Beast and destroy the world without fusing in bad ends, I guess it doesn't always have to be a fusion...? Did Izanami more or less fully controlled Saya's body at the end of CP?
Shinhwa Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 Did Izanami more or less fully controlled Saya's body at the end of CP? You have to get the fact straight that she has always been in control of Saya's body. The only thing that's a hindrance to her is the fact Saya's feelings that lingered in the vessel mixed with Izanami which make her do things that she wouldn't do normally (Ex. If Saya's feelings and such didn't mix, Izanami would have killed Ragna and Celica already)
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