[CP] Relius Clover vs Jin Kisaragi

[TD]

Discuss the Jin matchup here.

The Neutral Game

Long Range: Your Tools vs His Tools

Medium Range: Your Tools vs His Tools

Close Quarters: Your Tools vs His Tools

In The Air: Your Tools vs His Tools

Offense

Your Offense:

His Offense:

Defense

Your Defense:

His Defense:

Gimmicks and Resets

Match Summary

[Myoro]

So how does a Relius deal with cross-up j.D? Where's the escape button on his pressure? What can we do to win this fight?

[NecroTheReaper]

Well, I CAN say that you never want to be in the air for this matchup. He gets the free-ist combos if you're in the air since everything can herp derp into j.D for 3k+. Even on the ground, if he hits you with 5C, seems like he can just 6C into a full combo. Don't be in the air. However, if you block his 6A, you get a 2A mash for free unless he has 50 heat, which he may hit 6C if he confirmed incorrectly. Also, block low after he bursts. For some reason 214D is the most retarded full screen low ever and gives him 3k+ lol. His C DP can be called out fairly if you use 2A, since you recover in time to ley/block it for a 3C punish. If you see 6B, I think its a frametrap if used from a C normal, at least for us I think. I think its only a 5f gap, but if used from anything else, 5A should hit it.

[Angry Guy of DE]

5C to 6C only combos on CH or if you were crouching. 
Air to Air does not work well even with Ignis since his j.C can catch her easily.  Any blatant airdashes can be checked with 2C but his corner pressure is difficult to escape from with the current frame advantage he gets with j.C to j.2C. 
Jin's may try to go right to throw with canceling 6A (I believe he can do that?) But in terms of mixup 6A is easier to block than most overheads since it has a distinct animation and moreover a sound effect to go with it. 
Also be mindful of trying to 5A or 2A during pressure if you barrier block because Jin's 2A has more range than Relius's so you may pushblock your own 2A out of range while Jin can still touch you.


 

[NecroTheReaper]

What I meant was 5C>6C combos on air hit for him, giving him a full combo. And yeah, sadly if we get forced into the corner, our options are currently 1: smart backdash (good backdash gone next patch) 2: CA 3: lucky vinum that doesn't get baited. His 6A can cancel into pink grab, but I don't think he's able to late chain it, so he has to either commit to using it then and possibly return to neutral if you tech, or let 6A recover and hope you don't mash. While Jin's pressure is good, if you block his 6A's and tk 236Ds you'll eventually find that gap. Also, since pretty much all of his moves except drive moves are - on block, IBing could really help you out here.