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translated the doc

http://pastebin.com/bAMXKqdN

 

keep in mind that this is just his personal memo, not meant to be a complete breakdown of the character

there are things missing, but there's also a LOT of good stuff there

 

I especially liked the notes regarding blockstrings and combos since some of those can be implemented now.

 

I wonder what the start up difference is between SB Run Amok vs B, since SB is faster? 

 

Also, with decreased start up/recovery on 236C/D, I wonder if SB version has been affected as well? Right now, you can combo midscreen CH 5C > 236CD > sweep > 236B > jB >j2B > jC(w) > ender but would be nice to combo into 236CD without CH state if we land 5C or maybe even 5B.

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SB run amok is fast enough that you can combo into it from 5AA>2AB

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... so apparently marie is listed bottom in the new game, what happened? did she get smacked with the nerf bat?

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It's been two weeks and no one in Japan plays her. Tier lists are based on the current state of the character, so she may very well be bottom tier at her current state of development in Japan.

 

If you look at the list of Marie players, you can see that not many people are playing her at high level or even at all 

http://sp.p4u2.tv/ranking_view.php?mode=exe&type=psr_rank&character=mr&pref=0

 

From what I've seen, almost none of the people that DO play her do optimal combos or present oki, either.

Posted

5AA is gapless even on IB in 2.0

 

Also, I joined the Japanese Marie LINE group, so I might be able to ask them some questions for you guys.

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Thanks Buttface and I've got a few please :)

 

- Can you combo 5B/5C into 236CD > sweep > 236B > etc without counter hit?

 

- Does the D version on 236D still launch the opponent vertical in the air? I saw notes stating it now has similar performance but not sure what that means.

 

- What's the start up difference for Shell of Denial between 1.1 vs 2.0? 

 

Also, where is this said line you speak of?

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I asked Monyakki about 236CD, he said it seems to be the same as 1.1

236D is exactly the same as 236C now but at a farther range

we were actually just talking about shell startup, nobody knows

 

Mayuge-san has been posting on twitter about starting a Marie player LINE group for the past few days, so I jumped at the opportunity to interact directly with JP Marie players.

 

also, apparently sweep>236A>SB Bright arrow>5BB midscreen is possible

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it won't make up for the loss of persona invuln, but it'll definitely be nice to set stuff up midscreen

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2.0 meterless present pull speed looks the same as meterless boss mode speed

2.0 SB present and SB pull are probably the same as their counterparts in boss mode

 

I thought meterless presents looked different but after reexamining they look the same like I originally thought

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C and D stigma are now 14f startup

A shell is 4+3

 

Hopefully the 2f faster start up on 236C&D helps open up new combo routes.

 

I've also started using 2C safe jumps more often since watching your vid and seeing another Marie player apply it a lot this weekend. Wish I could remember his/her name.

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Idk but if this has been mentioned but I found a cool fuzzy guard mix-up.

Works on Yu, Mitsuru, Aigis, Junpei.. gonna test on other characters once I finished this session.

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Idk but if this has been mentioned but I found a cool fuzzy guard mix-up.

Works on Yu, Mitsuru, Aigis, Junpei.. gonna test on other characters once I finished this session.

How do you set it up?
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You set it up from safe-jumps. Needs 50 meter to confirm into a full combo, but definitely seems viable to steal that remaining HP if the situation ever shows itself.

jb. -> j.cancel j.2b OMC j2.b -> j.b.

 

Sure you could set it up in a basic pressure string with a 2b jump cancel and try to reset pressure with the j.b and go for fuzzy guard. It's just not as safe, and you're free to fuzzy jump OS or 2b.
 

I tend to experiment alot when I like a character, when I find new techs I'll upload a ytube link  on my twitter. Follow if you're interested!

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Yukari's new waveform on feather arrow means we can't just stop it with eyes, it will go above and below it

Posted

possibly the Yume

the old Aigis god that won EVO 2013

 

However, all I have to go on are two tweets from Mayuge saying he saw "Yume's Marie" and that it "motivated him"

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no she's still strong

also Yume works for ArcSys or something so it's all mysteries

 

I won't know for sure until Mayuge answers my question, but I do know there's suddenly a mysterious noname player with 802 PSR

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also, one of those Nise Pachi matches confirms my hunch that the present change that makes them pass through opponents, though largely a nerf, means that they pass through personas and other such things as well

 

that means koromaru, other presents, Liz 5C, Yukiko 5D, etc can no longer push presents away

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