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It wouldn't be as hard (subjective) if it was dash canceling. It's definitely a link.

And that is obviously why he's top tier. /sarcasm

I obviously combo'd off 5D with blue beat, that's I think, something all Jin players did. But I don't see why would 5D be shitty if it has quicker startup than CT's (even though it does not combo into anything)? It seems that it will be a good keep-away poke that will scare your opponent, sometimes good enough for you to keep pressuring them unsafely. Then again, I could be completely wrong.

That isn't what I'm trying to do. I'm justifying CS2 5D. I know it is terrible in CS. I wouldn't mind if it doesn't. I remember playing CT like it was stupid Street Fighter, playing my so-called footsies with my longest and safest pokes. Didn't combo a whole lot and usually went back to neutral resets.

Stop crying and say hello to an actual need of hitconfirm. Look at Jin, he can't directly connect 5C > 6C except counter hit. What's the big deal? Ragna still has plenty of combos. Midscreen, I guess you'll have to start using weaker combos such as 5B > 5C > 3C > Hell's Fang[2], just like how Jin can't combo from very afar and has to rely on pure 3C midscreen knockdown or link it up with 214B when he's out of range for damaging BnB combos. Instead of going into your usual broken BE 4k midscreen combo, you'll actually have to look at what's happening on-screen, that's all I have to say. I'm by no means a Ragna pro (I think it was official once I got burned in the Ragna subforums), but 3k-4k combos off of every single poke is stupid and mindless. Hazama lost his BnBs entirely apart from the corner, we speculate that his new BnBs will be simple crap like 5B/2B > 3C > Jabaki. Sure, Ragna got heavily nerfed. I don't know how truly well he'll fare (only time will tell), but you sure are talking like it's a RachelCT to RachelCS thing, which is obviously not. Jin can't even double freeze aside from his 25% heat attacks and his freeze doesn't last long. He's is nowhere near broken. Why would you even want that? This.

CT hitbox was godlike. CS hitbox is good. What will make it anything near 'shitty' is that you can't follow up with anything afterward and that again, can be fair enough.

CS2 Hazama's new name is official Cornerzama. He either sticks people to corners and gets totally cornered (at least, if his Jayoku really does not have invul frames anymore.) Outside of that, he'll probably a bad zoner compared to say, Lambda.

Do you know how much damage would deal 2B > 3C > Jabaki (or 3C > Jabaki only)? Seems to me that Hazama's damage output will be crap. His j.C[nxx] was nerfed from 10 hits to 7 hits. I can only assume that his corner combos won't be as rewarding as characters like, say, Jin.

Faster j.B & 2D, 6A breaks primer... I love ArcSys so much. SO MUCH. Kinda sucks that Hazama has absolutely no combos anymore, but whatever! Jin is the shittt.

Good point, I haven't thought of that. With Sekkajin's very little pushback on BBCS2, I wonder if far 5C > Sekkajin combos will be possible.

This is gold. If I were rich, I'd give you a thousand dollars for this post. I so know how it feels to mess up a punishing Jayoku when the game is at a point where it says: screw up and you're dead.

I've thought of something that really hit my curiosity and I'd like you, Jin mainers, to give me your thoughts on it. How would it be to actually upgrade 5B up one level? I often do the mistake of dropping my combo on 2nd hit whiff whenever I hit with it from too far, waiting for that 2nd hit to actually hit. It is a very random thought but playing characters like Ragna, Hazama and Bang makes me rage, it's just so easier to hitconfirm and combo with them even though my Jin is clearly better.

Well, yeah, you're right. He didn't whoop Buppa's ass and it was close, but I was so shocked back then. Buppa was my favorite player. Now he's my Hazama favorite, which is a step behind Hiroshi that's totally my favorite Jin. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if things looked more like this: Tetsu >> Ren >>>>>> Other Jins. He really does seem to be better than Ren. I mean he beat top players (like Fio) with more ease than Ren ever did. I'd love to see a Hiroshi VS Buppa or Kaqn streak of matches. That would be INSANE, UNTHINKABLE.

Well, okay. I must've exaggerated, not mediocre. But he had like a sudden boom of skills from what I've observed throughout the time. I mean, he got his ass whooped real bad by Buppa several times and Kaqn. And came back later to whoop Buppa's (I don't even remember if he's managed to beat Kaqn or not. It's kind of far off in my memory, with BBCS coming out and stuff.) I didn't mean mediocre as in mediocre, but eh, not near the top when it came to the top players . At least, that was always the impression that I had of him. He just seemed like he was improving all the time back in CT days.

I could see that happening. But despite the fact that I like him a lot more than Ren, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ren getting even better. I mean, he used to be mediocre and look now, 2nd best Jin.

Hahaha, fair enough. I really want to see more of Hiroshi too, ugh... Seeing him lose to Tsuji wasn't all that fun.

I must be seriously tired. Because I hadn't noticed that you had the 3 of them in the same list. Kinda skipped Hiroshi, . I knew that they were the same, but ehh whatever, I understand myself ._.

Aren't Tetsuo and Tetsu the same player? I'm getting lost.

No piracy talk, I know already. But if somebody would care to PM me the links to get it on PC and get it working on Hamachi, I'd be thankful. I'm very interested in this game, it looks awesome.

From what I gather, people fear that air unblockables will shut down his jump cancel crossups / continuous pressure entirely. Meaning that he'll have to rely a lot more on 6A.

Means that B/C air unblockables are just too good against Jin, right? We won't be seeing a lot of JC Crossups I guess? This sucks, being a pure counter / poke type character... Ugh. If I wanted that, I'd play Hakumen.

Veeeerrryyy interesting, I'll try this out as soon as I can. But can't they simply barrier guard their way out of it?

I would like to know... Is it normal that I get 2A'd out of 6B against Rachel? My brother likes to mash it a lot and whenever I try to use it, he pokes me out of it.

If I remember correctly, there was a post mentioning that 3C > 236D was possible on the whole cast. Then again, that is if his 3C changes stay (floats).

Bringing up Arcana Heart was simply to exaggerate the whole jumping aerial game business. I know that you can't simply jump out of pressure, haha. Well, from a posts, it seems that the air-to-ground game will be affected. Apparently, Jin's own 5C beats all of his aerial attacks, so you can pretty much guess what can happen. It's a good idea but I don't think that it's polished enough. I understand what you mean. Like, say, Street Fighter (other than 3rd Strike's parry), Dark Stalker, etc.