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Big thank you to Spirit Juice, seriously thx man . Thx to you too BioLogin for the info , that suks though T_T

Could someone please re-upload the Dizzy CM called Another Story? It has already been requested here, but the link it was uploaded to is down already (well not down, but megaupload says that its no longer available due to people not using it blabla). Also, are there any other good I-NO CM's besides lapid fire? Thanks for the help

QFT, im not too happy either, Dizzy was looking awesome on paper with her "multi-fish on the fly" changes and so on, but that laser fish avtivation/motion change really is fukin her up, im definetly not too happy either.

Kbalch, youre right. That eases me up a little, as i guess thats pretty good. Also, what do you think of P fish on knockdown? I think by doing the P fish on knockdown, we are adding up the tick throw between bites threat, that doesnt exist with the laser fish. By doing P fish we have several options, like dashing in close and do 5k, ©S or 2K, ©S gatlings, or doing IAD and either the j.P, j.H usual, or the new IAD j.2S, j.H string, and we also have the tick throw between bites. Kbalch, do you think it is possible to do P fish on knockdown, and switch to HS laser fish after 1st bite? That way wed get the "non mofo-like advancing yes meaty-hitting fish", and then switch to HS for more cover, wut u think? Also, im wondering if that could work with K fish too, and switch to laser just before it dissapears after the lock down bite.

I am very dissapointed at the HS fish change, it is a severe problem chun and i mentioned before, and as u say it might fuk up the setups BAD. The worst thing to me is how much the fish travels forward before activating, it is so amn much that most of the time it will activate just on top of them or, in a worse scenario, itll activate behind them. Im not sure wtf was sysarc thinking when they did that, neither i realize on how that change could effectively help Dizzy. I also havent seen j.p j.p j.h being used as much, i think i did see it several times (the times i saw it it worked, didnt see the dizzy player being knocked out of it), but they are definetly using j.2S, j.H way more instead of j.P j.P j.H... lets c how that works out, chun_li1 says j.2S is a great move now and it has awesome hitbox so maybe thats the reason, and not because j.p j.H suks now or nething... Still, i can accept everything but the HS fish, it REALLY LOOKS like they fuked up one of the few things that made Dizzy SCARY on oki, if we cant oki like that nemore... they removed something that MADE Dizzy, her fish made her omg...

421S is still holdable just like it was in Slash, you can see in a lot of her new videos the Dizzy players holding the spike for a while to get them into mixups. About the input changing to 236K i have no clue if it was changed or not, ne1 knows about that?

I also noticed that, to me it looked like the HS fish would travel forward more before the laser came out, quita few times i saw Dizzy get a 2H knockdown, or a throw, and do HS fish exactly from where she was standing (no dashing or nething) and the laser would come out like ontop of the opponent and sometimes even behind the opponent... i hope thats not the case too because i saw many OKIs from the Dizzy player gettin fuked because his fish was going forward way too much before activation. EDIT: I think theres a way around this "problem" (we aitn even sure if it is or not lol), i think i saw the Dizzy player do bite fish on his opponents wakeup (which is fast enough to do the first bite on meaty) and then switched the fish to laser. Basically what he did was 2H (knockdown) -> bite fish (meaty) -> laser fish (after 1st bite), i think that could solve the problem of the laser's activation and help us keep it in our oki arsenal. What do u guys think?

Were you talking about 421S AFTER 6H connects or before?, i dont think 421S could combo after 6P since it doesnt float them high enough, but im figuring after 6H something like that could work out i dont know, guess well have to wait and see how they use it.

OMG you guys are right im so stupid!!!. In the first Dizzy vs Ky video from filebank, at the 1:22 mark we see the gatling Chun_Li1 was talking about, it is 5K, ©S, 5H, 2H just as he said. Also, in that same new pack of Dizzy vs Ky videos, we also get to see the 2K, ©S gatling i was telling u guys about so both of them are in there. Finally, YES THERE STILL IS 5K 5H they didnt took it out!!!!! YAY!!!, you can see it in the Dizzy v Zappa video as Chun mentions, and also in the Ky matches, ZOMG yay!!! . Im dying to see a high level Dizzy player in Japan show us what this girl can really do in AC ^_^

Heh, lmao it looks like they really want us to play a different kind of game than before, just like Nehle says... They removed our most useful long range gatlings, although thank god they left 5K 5H as you said. But now they give us those new close range gatlings like 5K ©S and 2K ©S. AND HOLY SHIT!!! 5H 2H!!! w000t, i cant believe i friggin missed that, could u tell me in what video u saw that one please??? You mean the new filebank vids the ones where its dizzy vs Ky and vs robo ky and those? Wow wow, gettin excited again

Yeah man, youre probably right, also i tried to watch the videos more carefully and, while confirming what i knew about 2K, ©S and 5K, ©S, i also saw the 5H, 2D gatling u were talking about, so you were right. I have been watching her matches vs HOS and Zappa but i cant find that 5K, 5H gatling, maybe im just missing it. Also i think i saw bridget interrupt dizzy from 5H, 5H in one of the newest Dizzy videos BUT i think it was becasue the dizzy player took a hella long time to do the 5H instead of just doing it like ud normally do a gatling, so yeah i still have no clue on weather 5K, 5H is still in or not, ne help would be appreciated.

About your last question, i cant be certain but i assume it doesnt, the way i see it the fish dissapears the moment you start the game registers a throw, and in a throw break situation the game IS registering the throw, thus the fish would dissapear, and THEN it registers the throw break (obviously that being like super fast but yeah u get the point). Now, by what i have seen i think j.P still is a very viable jump-in move, so j.P j.P j.H land is still a very good way to get in once you manage to make ur opponent block a fish, and if u land close enough you can go (on either block or hit) for 2K, ©S follow up or 5K, ©S follow up. This is because both of them are now gatlings and thus, cant be interrupted. Of course if the j.P or j.H hit we can still combo into w/e we want. Also, ive seen in the videos people using jumpin j.2S, j.H land, so im guessing the addition of j.2S is welcomed to our arsenal By the way, anyone knows if 2K, 2H still gatlings? Also, i saw Chun_Li1 post about 5K, 2H and 5K, 2D becoming the standard mid/long range gatling, is that true? EDIT: Confirmed, 5K gatlings into 2D 5K gatlings into ©S 2K gatlings into ©S

^^^ Man thats nice to know, by the time i created the thread i havent seen that video but you guys are right, if she is hit while attacking then it wont dissapear, damn thats good!!!. Have you guys seen any other Dizzy changes on the videos that have been released on her? also, what do you think her new possibilities are? Is loosing 5K -> 5H and 5H 2D gatlings a big hit on her or can she make up for it? Plz let me know wut u guys think. EDIT: Ok here is what i think about her loosing gatling 5K -> 5H... STUPID, just got done watching some of the new Dizzy videos out there, and it is amazing the difference it makes in Dizzy's game not having that anymore, yes, she now has 5K -> ©S gatling, and 2K -> ©S gatling, but man u gotta be really close for that, as u dont want to risk a whiffed (f)S. I saw Dizzy getting interrupted out of 5K 5H so often it got annoying, and a lot of the times in which the Dizzy player tried to get close enough for 5K ©S to come out, hed just eat a poke to the face... man watching those matches was frustrating . On a lesser note, I believe you are right, almost all tier attempts have placed Eddie and HOS top tier, and from there it changes a lot, heres hoping Dizzy makes it B+ or A tier.

Allright here is my attempt at compiling all of Dizzy's changes posted in the general info thread, and what i have seen in videos: EDIT: Fish stays out even if Dizzy is hit AS LONG as she isnt hit during her recovery of the fish summon. Finally, and KEEPING IN MIND it is WAY TOO EARLY for any tier lists, this one was posted in some japanese blog and it seems to reflect the impression of a lot of japanese players, PLEASE do not rely on this or think of it as trust-worthy, as it is way too early, but since im trying to make this as comprehensive and complete as possible, here is the first attempt at a tier list with Accent Core released on Japan, it was posted on Dec. 25: So here we go, guys plz feel free to correct me, just trying to get something started here, forum has been pretty slow like Kbalch says.