DudeUnderscore

well, even the super jump cancel grab i get mashed out sometimes and the timing on it is a bit weird sometimes (by the time they recover you have to delay the grab a bit after the apex of your jump). Either way they can mash out of all 3 I think. But i think 5A -> air turn j.D is the better option instead of b.bufu because you only lose 1 persona card instead of eating a free combo.

I know about the 5A -> b.bufu set up. Regarding that, if they tech forwards i notice bufu will whiff so i just super jump and grab them for a free fatal counter grab. I also noticed that people can actually mash out of the b.bufu reset (mitsuru mashing j.A or akihiko mashing j.A punches thanatos arm before the blade reaches em or something)

does anyone know any good b.bufu resets? i remember this one match i was doing a standard corner combo with a a.bufu -> j.C finisher. However, this time instead of a.bufu -> j.C, i did a.bufu -> a.bufu -> b.bufu and it caught him. also what are good options to do after my opponent blocks a 5C

well the thing about this is if the person knows the mixup, they can just reversal action or dash out of it while you're casting C.Maragidyne.

The thing i find really annoying about this matchup is people spamming Dia. Ill try to punish the first initial dia but i get smacked in the process or lose a thanatos card. What would you suggest doing? I know 5B counts as a projectile or something.

Regarding the 2Bing on wakeup, i find that she can counter hit you before your 2B comes out, ive had this happen to me several times when i tried it on my friend. But yeah i have problems with this match up too. I got blown up by bananaken the other day :C

On an additional note, i think liz's 5A is an underestimated pressure tool.

so I fought bananaken's slabrys on PSN. This has made me realize one thing : I NEED TO LEARN MORE LIZ MIXUPS. I realized that he can just sit there crouch blocking and react to all my thanatos shenanagins. He could reversal out of all them :U. Anyways tl;dr do you guys have any advice for liz blockstrings or pressuring? Ive heard about the 2B -> OMC -> j.A, but that requires extremely precise timing.

yeah the timing on the thing starts getting realllllllllly strange. The most i can get is 3.

oh that combo. I tried doing it and (obviously) it's harder than it looks. Basically i think it's 5C FC -> B Bufu -> A Bufu x 6 -> j.C . Not sure if it's character exclusive to Teddie.

Basically from BBCS1 -> BBCS2 there were a lot of changes that pretty much changed how everyone played so everyone had to relearn their characters.

Well I do agree that her mixup and pressuring is pretty bad, but after watching that video i decided to be a bit more offensive with liz her self by tickthrowing and stuff. That with the maragidyne OMC -> C. Maragi and stuff was really helpful. Although i did suffer what everyone else is suffering at a local fightan meeting last week when this chie just smacked my 5D on reaction. Regardless im gonna stay on the Elizabeth ship if it sinks or not. I wonder what changes she'll get in P4A2 or future patches. While im on the topic of patches, i really hope the next patch doesnt break the game like it did with BBCS2.

i'd join but : a) i have shitty NAT3 internet b) im on PSN

oh my god that new garu loop. Still...you still need to sweep at the end of it and still apply the proper character specific garu direction. Even though it's good to know about this, thanks for posting this.

My execution is meh, i still accidentally do a 5D instead of a garu sometimes because I would accidentally not do 3 or something. Ive lost so many matches because of that.

funny you say that; devil survivor was my first SMT as well. Strange journey was my 2nd and i sorta played through P3P. I know pretty much everything about P4 because some dude at this chat i frequent streamed it all. I only know bits and pieces about P3. On an unrelated note, i hate fighting Narukami scrubs online who spam DPs. I feel stupid each time i get hit by it. Same with yosukes.

I liked liz in P3. I was already dead set on my main before this game came out. When I heard liz was in it I was like "THAT IS MY FUCKING MAIN. NO EXCEPTIONS". And then i lived true to my word, although ive been investing in learning teddie. So far ive played about 1.8k matches with liz. I dont even bother touching ranked.

I personally think she should get a guard cancel that isnt ass, be able to go into 5C-> bufu on block, make maragi come out faster, make her 5B have slightly less recovery time, or maybe a 3C where thanatos goes at a 45 degree angle sorta like kanji's persona. I know all of these were mentioned earlier but i agree with all of them.

Also, not sure if this was mentioned or not, but using Garu against mitsurus is pretty good. Garu and 2B.

The thing is, mamudoon has a longer start up time but shorter activation time. I noticed this when i was messing about in the lab and noticed it when i was practicing some tech traps. However, you'd be better off doing maragidyne -> mahama. Well I suppose you could use the invincibility on mamudoon to avoid things like teddie's unblockable super or something. I think mahama has ~10 seconds to activate, mudo has about 8 maybe? never counted

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