GoBL1N

Your certain these routes work on a crouching opponent? I was specifically struggling with confirming off a 2a/5a when crouched.

I was curious about your jc 2d j2c lvl 2 route I was under the impression that anywhere that worked, you could replace it with jc[hold] jc 2d dash 6a. Any reason why you wouldn't do this? I'd imagine its the same minus the wind use.

Man, took the words right out of my mouth, i also had trouble with this on makoto. It messed me up so bad assuming it wouldn't drop but it did...a lot. Thanks! I will look into those 2a routes when I get a chance.

I understand your pain...trust me. This took me a while to get. If you cancel into something whether it be another move, or jump, or something immediately then you will not get a bell bug. In this case they used or rather cancelled into 236b. When you start getting into the pains of doing 6d > Jump spider (j22c) then you are going to have the opposite problem. You will likely be doing the spider too early and cancelling immediately into it. You will have to get used to the timing but you want just a slight delay to allow the bell bug to materialize.

Thank yoU! Ok so 2aa 5b 5cd 6c jc 5b 5cc? (what's the (w) mean?) The second one I'm not quite as confident that I understood... 2aa 5b 5cd 6c 6bd 3c BBL?

I was curious what you guys are confirming into with a 2a starter on a crouching opponent? I find myself trying to do something like 2aa 5b 5cd 6c j2c 5b 5cc but combo seems to drop. What are you guys doing? I know that 2a can be confirmed easily if the opponent is standing but would if they are crouching?

Sorry I'm late to the party. Holy smokes. No pumpkin?? but it was such a fun concept...Don't approve of that even if she is overall stronger. Bats? Poison? Coffin? where are you guys seeing this stuff??? Id like to take a look.

could you explain more for what you mean with the j.c/dive/airdash, other than 214a I am not sure how corner becomes left/right. sorry I meant after j4b 6b 9 j6d land 9 j6c, the j6c, the "bird" part, has a high miss rate for me i'd say about 50% of the time right now its missing.

Yeah :< easier said than done, I have a tendency to screw up the timing when its an actual match and not do the timing that I practiced over and over again...That being said I havent even gotten this timing down consistently in practice either I kindof just recently got this timing. Before now I was doing jb as low as possible (on purpose), so low that double jump wasn't really an option I would land.

Did some practice yesterday and I was able to find what I believe is a nice "medium" for the jb timing where I can confirm into 5cc if it hits or I can double jump if its blocked and I want the fuzzy guard mixup.

Just wanted to let you/everyone know that I was able to finally get the entire thing done on a jin training dummy. The execution/timing is brutal to say the least but I did it and it is possible. That being said I seem to have issues getting the jc to connect after j4b 6b. 50% of the time the training dummy is recovering prematurely before the jc does anyone else have this issue with j4b 6b?

Right ok but you still would not want the ja itself to be any later because obviously that would leave a gap and/or make the ja come out when you are elevated too much and the ja will not overhead hit your opponent. so a couple things, its still 2ad, as in we are not separating the input into ja > 2d or vise versa. So that hasn't changed (thank goodness). I've always been under the impression that this overhead has more or less always been <some norma/special> > 9 > 2ad where the 9 > 2ad portion is input buffered so that part, maybe not its execution but the result, to my understanding is pretty much going to be the same every time. So sounds like there is in fact a nice medium where you get the best of both worlds (low enough to confirm into 5cc but high enough to where you can double jump) but it seems to be the timing of the jb that is the greatest factor. correct me if I'm wrong.

Ok so but you are saying there is in fact, a timing where you can jb late enough (off a tk ja2d) to confirm into 5cc while still being high enough off the ground to where you can double jump if its blocked right? If thats true I'm gonna have to grind that timing out until I get it right...sigh...

Whoa so have I misunderstood the overhead this whole time (at least for CPEX anyways)? can you explain what you mean by delaying the ja? I thought that the ja was a tk ja, and to do it any later resulted in you going too high and not hitting a crouching hitbox.

does anyone have any good curse combo setups in the corner? I'm having trouble with mine. I can't exactly C bug cross up in the corner like you would mid screen...or maybe I'm wrong?

I'm someone could clear up something for me I'd really appreciated it. This 9 ja2d delay 2b over head is really messing with my head haha. But that just takes getting used to. What I don't get is how we are supposed to do the fuzzy guard block string off of it now where you ja2d jb jb ja jc. Because of the delay required in the first jb I find myself landing now before I can double jump into the second jb. Is this blockstring no longer useful now? or do we have to guess if we think the opponent will guard high and just jb early (but then if it lands we cant confirm into 5c)? Or is there a middle ground where you can delay the jb enough to confirm in to 5c while still having enough time to double jump jb if they do end up blocking the ja?

edit: nevermind, i saw the date but not the year haha.

Thank you that explanation is actually extremely helpful. Now I understand what is going on. Sounds like I need to work on my timing then and make sure that it is a true blockstring. You wouldn't happen to have any suggestions would you? Is it something like, 5a~ca > 66 ? or maybe 5aa~ca > 66 ? (i forget the symbol for pianoing in so I am using ~). I will have to rewatch the videos now that I know what is going on and see what is hitting just before the c bug.

I'm curious for people doing the corner double lobel loop lets say off sword iris starter or 3c > sword iris starter, 6b jc j236c 6b jc j236c, are you guys having smp issues? I coulda sworn i was yesterday...or am I missing something? maybe one of the j236c's gets switched with j236b?

Thank you, it was just a training dummy not set to block so it was a normal hit. I didn't know it worked like that. So sounds like one is the result of C bug hit and one is the result of guard crush animation. I guess that begs the question though, if I crossed them up, why would they be guarding but not barrier guarding? If I cross them up wouldn't both guard and barrier guard be inactive or is there some mechanic that allows them to keep doing a regular guard but not a barrier guard if they are crossed up? Does the guard carry over even if they are still blocking the wrong way? my logic is: if i cross them up, they are guarding the wrong way so both guard and barrier wouldn't be occurring. if my opponent sees the crossup and guards properly and recognizes the C bug crush coming, then they should have the barrier active. The only option I am left with for the ideal scenario where 6c can reach then would be, I crossup, opponent guards the correct direction but doesn't barrier, but that doesn't make sense unless they just fail to recognize the C bug crush coming. Is my thinking wrong here or?

Ok sounds good thank you. I was just curious have you ever successfully done the 6a 5d route on Jin?

I was wondering if anyone could explain the timing of (during bug curse) 5a[aa] (piano in C bug somewhere) > 66 > C bug bites crossup. When I see the C bug hit in a video/combo movie the opponent is in range of 6c but when I do it on a training dummy the c bug pushes the opponent out of reach. Does anyone know what I may be doing wrong?

On a different note, elemenope just curious about your 6a 5d starter, after the 5d jump cancel j66 ja are you holding down the ja for the input buffer or are you just that used to the timing? my j66 ja keeps barely whiffing...

It's near impossible for me on a training dummy but I am grinding the 5a 6b starter and using the j2b dive so the timing is much more unforgiving. But I intend to grind this out until it stabilizes

thank you, is there anything in particular you are doing or using as a cue? or did you just eventually get used to the timing?