matosh

Web faint seems really really good source

I'm just not making the sword summon meaty enough then. I also mainly get 2KK or 2KPK knockdowns. Can we not just make a new thread then or update this one?

What oki would be best for someone mashing a fast move to disrespect the sword summon oki?

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But I thought ramlethal was pretty easy. Mostly cause playing her effectively is just playing a ton of matches to be really familiar with her options and how you can use the swords for oki. combo's are also pretty easy until you get into the corner combos and that just takes practice

Also the timing gets throw off a little bit if you only do 3C. if you add something in front it helps make it feel more like how the combo will cause if you try and practice with just 3C > 214D~66B > 5A it will be a little more odd. if you struggle with 3C > 214D~66B You must first practice 3C >214D~66. you should try and make the 66 come out as quickly as possible. i try and do it all in one fluid motion so I go 3B214. pretty much start at 3 roll to 4. that makes the stance come out as fast as possible. Usually the problem with the ~66B part is making sure you do 66 as quick as the game will let you. this means you need to make sure you have the timing where if you input 66 it will come out not too late. easy way to figure that out is do the 3B214 and input 66 really fast. it shouldn't come out if you do it too fast so start too fast. and slow down till you get it to come out perfectly. Once you get that timing down when you actually use the 66B you can not delay the animation for the kick. the B follup must be right after 66 to the point where you might not even really notice the dash. Once you get that timing down connecting 5A is easy. ... 3C > 214D~66B > 5A takes a lot of practice. At least it did for me. if you are still struggling after putting in a lot of labwork let us know and see if we can help further. I'm a hazama scrub who just got the motion down this week and i still don't have it perfect yet. Also. hazama trial #17 It shows you. forces you to do it. and you can slomo it and hear/see how fast they input it.

I'm slowly getting it. I actually find that all the reps following easier than the first. The first is the hardest part for me.

Really? I got messenga out pretty easily after the j2D but couldn't get anything to connect the loop cause I can't do it. I also used 5B after the air messenga although it's kind of a pain to hit and I'm pretty sure is character dependent. I can't seem to get the timing down and always with the 2nd 5C. So I stop here usually. Messenga > 2A > 5c > jc1 > j5d > 5c I am a lot more likely to hit it if I start by going 6C > RC route

It's also not really worth to RC the command grab cause you won't get much off of it. My inputs suck.... So I still can't do drive loop. But I think you might be able to get a loop from a overhead j2b. Can someone test it who can? I'm just sitting hear practicing the drive loop...

I can't do the loops at all, but that's some of the damage and meter. They weren't hard and still nets you + meter. Didn't get to the overdrive ones cause of work

yea... I have been struggling so hard with 3C > 214D~66B > 5A.

I would be interested but I'm not that good with him. I am struggling so much

I just go the game cause i wanted english version and I am using a stick and finding it easiest to do it by either doing A~B~C incredibly fast and holding down each button after inputting so A~AB~ABC. or just going A+B~C as stated earlier

Does anybody use stick for one or more games and pad for others? Cause right now P4AU is so weird on a stick for me. I learned yosuke on a controller and was able to do pretty much everything i wanted to and i stopped playing a long time ago cause it was borrowed. When i started playing street fighter i picked up a stick and all the old fighters felt pretty normal to me on the stick except for persona. Just got P4AU and the game feels so weird on a stick and im debating if I use stick only for it. Anybody else use pad for Persona but stick for everything else?