Axiomatic

--Nit pick-- A vessel is not needed absolutely for a soul. For example, Terumi was able to function (although marginally) without a host in Phase Shift 1 and those moments in CT he speaks to Rachel. Your operational definition of "outside" could use some further elaboration because there are possible sources of confusion caused by it. Currently there are two kinds of "outside": 1.) Those outside of logic: examples include Valkenhayn (werewolves were created by sorcery at some point and thus exist outside of logic), the Black Beast (which explains why it was nigh invulnerable to human attacks during the Dark War) 2.) The other is less elaborated on, but includes those that seem to be more than just outside logic : Amatarasu and spirit form Terumi. The distinction derives from the fact we know nothing, not even Ars magus (which is capable of harming those outside of logic as evident by its ability to harm the Black Beast) can concretely kill these two for various circumstances. In Amatarasu's case its not clear exactly why the Successor of the Azure (SotA)/ a Kusanagi is needed to kill/destroy Amatarasu and if a Kusanagi/SotA could also kill Terumi. If I recall Terumi's description in Noel's True end in CS, its the fact the SotA can observe anything it wants and make it real. I have always translated that to my understanding of BB's plot as it forces things to adhere to logic or enter accessible reality (as in how Noel "created" the door to enter Tenjo's hiding place for Kushinada's lynchpin). Now we know Time Killer can affect Terumi but its unclear if it could affect Amatarasu as well. Nine also stated it would be impossible to "kill" Terumi since he is Yuuki Terumi but take that for what you will. All we know for sure is he is currently in trouble of ceasing to exist if he doesnt get a new host as of CF. One obstacle is as one of the Sankishin, the Susano'o unit may be incapable of killing the other two units/their wielders (hence why Terumi abandoned the Susano'o unit in the first place). The other is that Amatarasu appears to exist in a higher plane of reality or a similar concept because of its ability to be unaffected by the timeloops, any other weapon in the Blazblue world other than a Kusanagi, and having the ability to perform phenomenon intervention on anything it wants. --Short Answer-- I don't know for sure. I think she wouldn't have to return to her body and she wouldn't die either. --Long Answer-- Now onto the question you asked: Its really unclear since our only point of reference, Terumi, has had more bodies than we have murakumo units (the susano'o, 2100 body that he loses when the Black Beast enters the world, Kazuma, Hazuma, and the Terumi body Trinity created in CP). I'm unsure if "original" would apply to the body he held first (the Susano'o to our knowledge) or to the body he was last bonded to. As we saw with Terumi, when Kazuma was dragged into the boundary by Hakumen when he jumped Jubei and Hakumen after "killing" Nine and Trinity, its unclear in my memory what happens to the vessel Kazuma (I believe Trinity states in one of the CF arcade routes that there was no bringing back Kazuma when Terumi tried to manipulate her again). However, we do know that Takamagahara fished Terumi out of that deep part of the boundary (Kazuma not included) and was effectively observing him. Thus the spirit form of Terumi was not returned to the Susano'o unit (Terumi's presumed original body) when this occurred, as Hakumen would retain control of it until Kokonoe dragged him out of the boundary. Now, its not stated (to my knowledge) when Terumi came to possess the Hazama body so its not out of the realm of possibility that he returned to that one. I don't have a reference but I believe both the Kazuma and Hazama body where both completed before the Dark War began in 2100, but I definitely need to find a citation for that. The period from 2110-2190ish is left pretty open in Blazblue lore, and we know Relius ended up in 2180ish after falling into the boundary so he had plenty of time to create/complete/etc the Hazama body for Terumi in this window; recall how Relius did comment on Terumi's ghost form when they reunited so I am of the belief Terumi was without Hazama prior to meeting with the time-displaced Relius. It would also explain why Terumi didn't just use Hazama during the Dark War and instead was forced to try to get Kazuma to be his host. Now Terumi isn't exactly the same kind of entity as Amatarasu/the Girl, but the way Terumi has been operating suggests that Amatarasu's soul would not necessarily be destroyed if a host body was destroyed. The precedent suggest she doesn't have to return to her original body either.

Very nice reference material; archived for future reference. In regards to your inquiry, I know the staff were encouraging the use of a matchup directory (match up orgy format where all match ups in a single thread) to encourage us to share tech, but I do not know if they'll stick with that for CF since they could also go back to using the subforum approach (written in that character's perspective eg. Ragna match up subforum etc) like we did in the AC+R and vanilla CP days. Personally, I find both approaches have their merits and flaws in terms of info access. Personally, I like all my match up info together myself in one huge depository so in my own paper tech, I have my own system of organizing opponents into match up categories (eg Gorillas: Tager, Hakumen, Azrael, Zoners, etc) where I list general ideas and approaches for that type of opponent, then character specific match up info is given later: eg.) (Loose outline) Gorillas (Tager, Haku, Azrael) They hit like trucks. Play conservative in neutral and don't get greedy after a combo. Consider using wind to get out of their pressure since they have less than shoto mobility. George da god since opponent and him move bout same on ground, so bait air movement with pressure from the homies. Azrael Watch out for Growler since he can nom nom projectiles. Back dash 2 good. I agree with your sentiment to leave out the MU info for now though, regardless what you decide to do since focusing on just transition info flows nicely from what I've seen so far. Nevertheless If you're going to the trouble of writing up MU info for everyone though, I would say organize it in the way that is most useful for your own comprehension and reference. Issues can be sorted out later after use. Probably in the minority here, but people learning tech from others have a responsibility to adapt to their thinking/organization (learning 2 way street yada yada) otherwise they're inconveniencing tech/guide writers. So my thoughts or anyone else's shouldn't take precedence over your own self-expression/organization preferences. Worst case, people can cut and paste your info into their desired format using their document writer of choice or disseminate your post into separate match up threads at a later time. Appreciate all the work you've done so far regardless from where it goes from here.

Combos Organized by Starter: Notation: f.[#X] indicates use the #X move during float mode (# is an arbitrary direction; X is an arbitrary button). Notation inspired by w.[5A->....] Valk wolf mode eg.) 2C Use 2C on the ground j.2C Use 2C on the f.[2C] Use 2C during float mode. (do everything in brackets during float mode) float end: f.[...->7/8/9] float cancel: j.7/8/9 5A: 6A: 6A->Jump Cancel->j.214B->j8 (enter float mode on ground bounce)->f.[ 5C-> 2CC->5C-> 3C->214A] (2622 damage) 2A: (midscreen) 2A-> 2C-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C (1522 damage) (midscreen) 2A-> 2B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A (1748 damage) (midscreen) 2A-> 5B-> 5C-> 6A->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5B->5C->3C-> 9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 6A->j.63214B-> j.8 (float cancel)-> f. [3C] (2380 damage) (corner) 2A-> 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 6A->j.63214B->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 3C] (~2800 damage) (corner) 2A-> 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C-> 6C-> 214A->OD cancel-> 236236B (4316 damage) 5B: (midscreen) 5B-> 5C-> 2CC-> 214B (2088 damage) (midscreen) 5B-> 5C-> 6A->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[5C->2C-> 3C->9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 6A->j.63214B-> j.8 (float cancel)-> f.[ 3C] (2845 damage) (midscreen 50% heat) 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C->CT(causes wall bounce)-> 5B-> 5CC-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C (2900 damage) (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 6C-> 214A (3116 damage) (midscreen) 5B-> 5C-> 6A->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 3C->OD cancel->ABCD EA (3246 damage) (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C->41236C-> 6C-> 623B (~3379 damage) [ends in ribcage/susanoo] 5B>5CC>214A>5C>6CC>236A>5B>6A>j.63214B>jc>5C>2C>jc>j.63214B (3460 damage) (midscreen) 5B-> 5CC-> 214A->ABC (rapid cancel)->6-> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5C-> 2C->6C-> 9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 6A->j.63214B->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[3C]->(~3500 damage) .(corner) 5B-> 5C->8 (jump cancel)->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5C->2C-> 3C-> 8 (end float mode)]->j.C-> 5B-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C (~3500 damage) (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5C-> 2C->6C-> 9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 6A->j.63214B->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 3C ](~3600 damage) (midscreen) 5B-> 5C->OD cancel -> 5B-> 6A->Jump cancel,41236D->j.8 (float)->f.[5B?->5C(41236D should hit as it connects or slightly before)-> 6B->8]-> 2C-> 6C-> 41236C-> 6C-> 623B (3640 damage)[ends in ribcage/susanoo] (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 6A->jump cancel->j.8->f.[ 5B-> 5C-> 6B->8]-> 5C-> 2C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C-> 214A-> 6C-> 623B (4002 damage) [ends in ribcage/susanoo] (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 236236B (4005 damage) (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[5C->2C-> 6C-> 9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C-> 6C-> 214A-> 3C->OD cancel-> 236236B (5183 damage) (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 2C->OD cancel->41236D, 5C-> 2C->6B-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 6CC-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C-> 6CC-> 236236B (5980 damage) (corner) 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5C->2C-> 6C->9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C-> 6C-> 214A-> 3C->OD cancel->ABCD (EA)(4074 damage) 6B: (corner) 6B-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5C->2C-> 6C-> 9 (end float)]-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C (~3500 damage) 6B->63214D-> 2C-> 5C-> 214A-> 2C-> 5C->8(Jump)->j.2C (for as long as possible) (4133 damage) (midscreen) 623B (ribcage activated)-> 6B-> 623B (ribcage gone)-> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5B-> 5C->3C->214A->5C->3C-> 236236B] (4309 damage) 2B: (midscreen) 2B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A (1909 damage) (midscreen) 2B-> 5B-> 5C-> 3C-> CT->66->5B->5C->8 (jump cancel)-> j.B->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 3C->214A->3C] (2415 damage) (midscreen) 2B-> 5C-> 8(jump cancel)->j.B->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[3C-> 214A->(wall stick) 3C-> 8 (float uninstall)]->j.C-> 5B-> 6A->8 (jump cancel)->j.214B->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 3C ] (2807 damage) (midscreen) 2B-> 5B-> 5C-> 6A->8 (jump cancel)->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 6B-> 5C-> 3C-> 8 (float uninstall)]-> 5B-> 5CC-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 63214C (2813 damage) (midscreen) 2B-> 5C-> 2CC-> 214B-> 5B-> 5CC-> 214A-> 214A-> 2C-> 63214C (~3383 damage) (corner) 2B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C-> 9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5C->2C-> 6C-> 8(end float)]-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C -> 6C-> 214A-> 3C (~3400 damage) 5C: 6C: 2C: (corner) (must be in Active Flow) Be in "projectile mode" 2C (fatal counter)-> CT-> 6B,41236D-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 6CC-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C-> 2C->41236C-> 6CC->OD cancel-> 3C,41236D->CT->(during 41236D hit) 236236B (7983 damage) (corner) 2C (fatal counter)-> CT-> 6B-> 214A-> 5B-> 5C->jump cancel(short float)->j.8->f.[ 5C->2C-> 8 (float cancel)]-> 5C-> 2C-> 236A-> 5C-> 2C-> 6C-> 41236C-> OD cancel -> CT (fireball effects should still be on screen), 41236D(do during startup of CT)-> 5C(bits should still be spinning)->(on 41236D hit) 236236B (8002 damage) (corner) (May need ~75% meter at least for the two CTs and DD) normal 2C(fatal counter)->normal CT->normal 6B,41236D (on 6B startup)->normal 214A->jump cancel (41236D should now have hit the opponent)-> j.8->f.[ 5C-> 2C]-> 5C->jump cancel-> j.8->f.[ 5C-> 2C->236A-> 5C-> 2C-> 6C->8(float cancel)]->6CC->OD cancel-> 3C-> CT, 41236D (activate during CTs startup)-> 236236B (8312 damage) XD/Projectile Starters: (midscreen Active Mode) 4D-> 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 4D (1985 damage) (Falling in Active Mode) j.1D->j.C-> 5B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 6D-> 236A, 6D->66,9(microdash jump cancel)->j.B->j.C->j.8->f.[ 5C->6A (ends float mode)]->j.63214B (2529 damage) 214B: (midscreen) 214B-> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.B->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[5B-> 5C-> 236A] (2546 damage) 214C/Command Grab: (Start in Projectile Mode) 214C(command throw)->63214D(when throw does damage; make it keep opponent airborne)->9->j.C?->j.8->f.[ 5B->5C-> 3C-> 236236B] (2976 damage) a Air: (air-to-ground, ribcage active) j.C->j.2C->j.8 (float cancel)->f[ 5B-> 5C-> 8] (float uninstall)->JB->JC-> 5B-> 3C->623B (ribcage attack)-> 5B->8 (jump cancel)->j.B->j.CC (corner air) j.B->j.C-> 2B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A-> 5B-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 6A->j.63214B->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 3C ](~2700 damage) Throw: (midscreen) BC throw, 63214D-> 5B (bits still circling)-> 63214D hits,63214C-> 3C->OD cancel->Exceed Accel ABCD (midscreen) BC -> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.B->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[5B-> 5C->236A] (2549 damage) (corner) BC -> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 236A-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A (2918 damage) (jumping midscreen) j.BC (air throw)-> 5C->9(jump cancel)->j.C->j.8->f.[ 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 214A->5C-> 3C] (2925 damage) (corner) BC ->41236D-> 5C-> 41236C-> 5C-> 6A->j.63214B->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 3C](3015 damage) BC(throw)->41236D-> 5C->(41236D hits),41236C->Jump cancel->j.C(?)->j.8 ->f.[5B->5C-> 6A->8](leave float mode or Jump cancel the float 6A)->j.214B (3049 damage) (jumping corner) j.BC (air throw)-> 5C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C-> 6C-> 214A (~3300 damage) (midscreen) BC-> 41236D-> 5C->jump cancel->j.8->(41236D hits),f.[ 6B->8]-> 2C-> 6C-> 41236C-> 6C-> 623B (3462 damage) [ends in ribcage/susanoo] (corner) BC-> 41236D-> 5C->jump cancel->j.8(float)->f.[ 6B->8]-> 5C-> 2C-> 6C-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C-> 214A-> 6C-> 623B (3833 damage) [ends in ribcage/susanoo] (midscreen) 4BC -> 5B-> 5C->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[5C->2C->3C-> 214A-> 5C->3C->OD cancel-> 236236B] (4210 damage) Starting in Float Mode: (midscreen) f[2B-> 5C-> 2C-> 3C-> 236A] (corner, float mode) f.[ 2A->2B->5C] (882 damage) (float-to-ground) f.[6CC->8 ]-> 5B-> 6A->8 (jump cancel)->j.214B->j.8 (float)->f.[ 5C-> 3C->214A] (float, midscreen) f.[5B->5C-> 3C->8(float uninstall)]-> 5B-> 5CC-> 214A-> 5C-> 6CC-> 214A-> 5C-> 2C-> 63214C (3501 damage) Distortion/Dio: (100% meter) 214214C-> 2C-> 5C-> 6B->OD cancel-> 2C-> 5C-> 6B->236236B (4288 damage) (Active Flow Midscreen) 214214C-> 2C-> 5C-> 6B->OD cancel-> 214A-> 6C->ABCD(EA) (4689 damage) (100% meter) 214214C-> 2C-> 5C-> 6B->OD cancel-> 2C->5C-> 6B->214214C-> 2C-> 5C->6B-> 2C-> 5C (~5000 damage) (50% meter OD active on startup) 214214C-> 5C-> 6B->(Active Flow Triggers) 214A->5B-> 2C-> 5C-> 2C-> 5C-> 2C->ABCD (Exceed Accel) (5389 damage) Buffer Setups: (SUCKS, corner) 63214C, 4D->9 (cancel)->j.B->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[5C-> 2C-> 6C-> 8 (float end)]-> 5C-> 2C-> 41236C -> 6C-> 214A (2100 damage) (midscreen Active mode) 63214C, 63214D->9 (jump cancel)->j.C->j.8 (float cancel)->f.[ 5B-> 5C->3C->214A] (2469 damage) a Title a placeholder

Kagura vs. Ragna Kagura vs. Ragna Kagura vs. Izanami Kagura vs. Lambda Kagura vs. Jin Kagura vs. Naoto Kagura vs. Izayoi Kagura vs. Azrael/Haku/Azrael/Makoto Kagura vs. Kagura Kagura vs. Azrael Kagura vs. Celica Kagura vs. Izanami/Hakumen/Lambda Kagura vs. Valkenhayn/Haku Kagura vs. Hakumen/Kagura/Lambda/Azrael Kagura vs. Hakumen/Lambda/Azrael Kagura vs. Hazama Kagura vs Azrael Kagura vs Hazama

Izanami vs. Carl Izanami vs. Hibiki Izanami vs. Celica Izanami vs. Azrael Izanami vs. Tao Izanami vs Jin Izanami vs. Nine Izanami vs. Arakune/Nu-13 Izanami vs. Bang Izanami vs. Arakune Izanami vs. Lambda Izanami vs. Nine Izanami vs Nine/Hazama Izanami vs. carl Izanami vs. Valkenhayn Izanami vs. Jin Izanami vs Jin Izanami vs. Rachel/Tager/Hibiki Iznami vs. Hibiki/Plat/Nine/Amane/Hakumen/Amane Izanami vs. Makoto Izanami vs. Kagura Izanami vs. Hazama/Naoto/Litchi Izanami vs. Hazama Izanami vs Kagura/Hazama

That I would share something. Upon rewatching Continuum Shift after CF news, Noel's True End may have had clear foreshadowing or is consistent with the Noel=Amatarasu viewpoint: Hazama: Oh-HO! Interesting… I guess you've improve a little bit, haven't you Noel? Noel: I heard enough from you! How dare you give Tsubaki such an order…! What exactly are you trying to do?! Hazama: What am I trying to do? You'd really like to know, would you? Heh heh… Well you stepped over the corpse of First Lieutenant Garbage to get this far, so I'm guessing you won't go back without at least one answer, will you. Noel: Terumi…! Hazama: Why the hell not? I'll show you what despair looks like! Make sure you take a goooood long look with those beautiful eyes of yours. This'll be on the test! Noel: Wh-What's going on…?! Just like with Carl and Tsubaki…! B-But… these feelings…I don't know why, but I can't stop trembling… Huh…! Wh-What's that?! ???: Help… Noel: This…is ….? Noel: Eh…? N-No….! ???: Somebody…! No…! Noel: Stop… stop this… Somebody…Anybody…Please…help! NOOOOOO!!!! Hazama: Hey there, kid. Welcome back. Noel: …Ah. …Ah. Hazama: Well, this is no good…. I guess spending a hundred years staring at that thing'll mess you up good, huh? My congratulations. Noel: Why…? Hazama: Oh, you're really gonna ask that? Seriously? Come ON! I thought that was obvious! I'm here to kill everyone! Noel: …Why? Hazama: Here, why don't you try and remember… Remember all the bad things those mean humans did to you. Noel: …Why? Hazama: Well, that one's easy! Because you're all creatures that are made to be loathed. hated! Despised. Noel: …ah… Hazama: You did see it, right? The real world --- the real story?! Can't you hear it? All those hideously little filth-covered monsters, crying! You've got feel it. … Every single soul on this planet wants. You. Dead. This world… This world's supposed to be dead. Dead! But someone we managed to screw with it so much that it's gotten stuck and not it just repeats itself, again and again and again and again Noel: But… why…? Hazama: You really wanna know? Fine. Once upon a time, mankind found the first gate. Being stupid humans, they decide they wanted to know what was on the other side, so they created what they called BOundary Interface Prime Field Devices. See, humans are such pussies that they can't survive n the other side, and their machines are just as pathetic.. Of course, they failed. Over and over and overall, somehow, one of these test subjects made it aaaaalll the way to the deepest part of the Boundary…. The heart of it, I guess you could say. The Azure. And when it did that… well. Let's just say shit got real. This thing---they call 'em "prime fields" when they're lazy--developed emotion. One of these puppets built for but observation and research somehow grew a soul. 'Course, all the scientists thought they were goddamn geniuses and ensues making some kind of incredible breakthrough. I mean, they were, but not the one they thought. See, when it grew a soul, this prime field also developed the power of the Eye. And these scientists, they had no idea just what that meant. I mean think about it! The Eye could observe what it wanted, and whatever it observed was real! See? Eh heh heh. Seee… Anyway, before long, the scientists figured this out and being the small shortsighted little maggots that they were, they tried to destroy it. That didn't work so well, so they decided to seal it back into the boundary. they threw it all the way to the bottom, down in the darkness, where was nothing. But hey! You know this isn't the end! Anybody does! I mean, once humans got a taste of that power, the kind of power only a GOD should have… Well. The idiots decided it would be a good idea if they could really tap into the power of the Azure. Might give them a leg up on the battlefield, you know? So they built more prime field devices. But you see, these ones weren't just reckon tools anymore. Oooooh no! These were balls-out weapons of mass destruction ! The moment one of these babies popped outta the cauldron, the unmans would just seal away its emotion, turning it into a slave. A puppet. Noel: …. Hazama: Still paying attention? Looks kind empty in there, to be honest. Anyway, this is where it gets interesting. W ell…hmm. I dunno. Maybe if you find tragedies interesting? The things were treated like tools --- well, no "weapons" is better. Like you know a hand grenade or a bomb or something. Noel: …Just…stop…it… Hazama: Man, you know I'm actually getting tired of talking. Guess that's what happens when you make your body do stuff it's not used to, huh? So, you wanna hear more? There's a lot more, you know. You wanna hear it? Do ya? Noel: No… no more.. please…stop! Hazama: Yes please, Mr. Hazama? Well if you ask so nicely, of course I'll tell you! You see, the tools-these puppets-I've been telling you about, they're your REAL brothers and sisters! Hahaha… Noel--aw, what am I saying? That's not your real name. So, "Noel," what does all of that make YOU? Noel: Stop it… Hazama: Ahahaha! So you've been in denial this WHOLE TIME?! Well, yeah of course. I guess you would be. I mean, anybody else in your situation would do the same, right? Still, this is something you're gonna have to live with, you know? YOu gotta learn to accept it. You gotta learn to be you! Noel: Stop it…. stop stop STOP! Hazama: You're… Noel: Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! Hazama: You aren't a person! You were BUILT! You're just a tool! A puppet! A joke! Who the hell do you think you're fooling with your little act?! Well, yourself maybe, but hell. Can't even do that, now! You're a puppet, girl! Just like that sad sack of crap we all took turns pounding on a while back! source At the time it seemed to be that Hazama/Terumi was referring to Mu-12 as Noel's source of trauma but consider: Mu-12 hadn't even been smelted yet, so how could she have experienced the torture that Lambda-11 did? Nu-13 remembered Ragna killing her in the previous cities because he interrupted the smelting process as well. Next is Hazama's line: "I guess spending a hundred years staring at that thing'll mess you up good, huh?" Here I thought he was referring to all the timeloops Mu-12 had been created/experimented on. The only thing is the sense of time is a little off for how long Mu-12 actually existed. Perhaps he was referring to something else... "Every single soul on this planet wants. You. Dead." also doesn't make as much since for just a prime field device that never had the chance to live/operate. Not sure if it was meant to be a double entendre, but using the Amatarasu/OPFD identity for Noel actuallyseems more appropriate than the Mu-12 interpretation. The fact Hazama decided to describe the OPFD's backstory rather than what Lambda-11 or Mu-12 went through appears to be clearer with such an interpretation. CF having more people gun for Amatarasu also explains the "Every single soul" and "The world is supposed to be dead" lines as specific jabs at Noel rather than just lines about the setting. Taking what Rachel said about how "The Girl" is trying to hope for a better conclusion to "The Story" makes Terumi's frustration with Amatarasu's methods more directed toward Noel. Considering the whole Noel=Amatarsu controlled Mu-12 as true, it would seem Terumi's whole intent was to remove Amatarasu's influence from the host, leaving only the Azure related buffs Noel got for being "The Successor to the Azure" in a mindless PFD Mu-12. So in a sick sense of irony (if this interpretation is substantial) Terumi freed Mu-12 from Noel's control rather than making her revert. Putting Mu-12 back into the cocoon really just finished the incomplete smelting that was interrupted at Ibukido by TakaMikazuki. The fact she wants to destroy the world is in line with what should've been her programming if we go on how Nu-13 is programmed as well to want to destroy everything in the world rather than Terumi manipulating her into becoming something else. One consequence was the Mu-12/Noel we see in CT's opening cutscene of Ibukido right after the city is destroyed really was an empty shell of a PFD until Amatarasu/Noel takes over. In summary, Mori didn't asspull this part of the plot at least; we just all assumed Terumi was talking about Mu-12 when this scene was really referring to OPFD/Noel.

SHIT LOADS OF TEXT BELOW I'm with you on the whole Noel=Mu-12 body as a vessel for OPFD Ogiga99. Doesn't make much sense otherwise to me. In b4 Mori drops another bomb on us... 1.) From my understanding, it seems that Noel may have hijacked Mu-12 on the Burning Fields of Ibukido at the start of CT since it fits from a narrative point of view and would be the first opportunity that Mu-12 was fully smelted (I don't know if she was subjected to the same inhumane treatment Lamb-chops did before she was fully smelted). Basically Mu-12 wasn't finished until then (at least in the BB timeline we've been in for most of the games) so she was an incomplete vessel. 2.) Can a body not function even when you're knocked out? Perhaps a bit tart, but when you have god-level power, I don't see it being any different than how the Holy Trinity works in Christian dogma. She could easily pull a Jin/Hakumen and have two of her consciousness occupy the same world if need be. Maybe a better example is how you create a character in a game, yet you in the real world is still functioning as well. 3.) I haven't experienced Wheel of Fortune in its entirety, but the fact that the world did work without self-insert/playable Noel suggests it was stable for the most part. Not sure how Amatarasu is being resurrected when she dies in the story though. She pulling a MK9 Raiden by transferring her consciousness to older versions of herself before she died and trying again (ala reloading your save file after an impossible boss battle where you the player still remember the encounter but your avatar resets to old stats/loadouts/etc)? In terms of Rachel's story regarding death of OPFD, no matter what "the Girl" did the Monster kept getting killed by the Hero. There is still some confusion regarding how Noel's feelings toward Ragna are a result of Mu-12's residual Saya memories or if there is some substantial connection between "the Girl" and Ragna. If I had to guess, it seems that since Rachel stated the Master Unit was the Monster, then the Hero would have to be whatever eventually kills her. It seems she resets things though she is still alive since she is obviously still around despite the story suggesting otherwise. I disagree with you on the fact No Noel=OPFD dies though Ogiga99, since she could still be chilling in the Boundary without Noel present. Rachel says the world ends when Amatarasu dies, so there couldn't be a timeline where she wasn't active. Context suggests every time she dies though, she is forced to undergo her own Ground Hog Day/CT timeloops trying to change things. 4.) No clue. My guess is maybe Amatarasu was hijacking Mu-12 to form Noel on a test basis and when she actually managed to break the CT timeloops, Amatarasu decided to make the possession permament. In a gaming analogy, Amatarasu got passed the really hard part by using a create-a-character and immediately saved over her profile data? Mori really needs to elaborate on this debacle though, since I have so many questions. Couldn't Amatarasu just tweak things to make it so the host body Mu-12 survives Ibukido though? It seems to be the case from what we saw in Slight Hope (Makoto CS). 5.) Probably talking out my own ass here, but... In context, I felt the shouting was appropriate since I equate "Successor to the Azure" as Amatarasu 2.0. Thus, them being in the same world trigger a Highlander scenario were one's existence supercedes the other. Sort of like Naoto and Ragna now, except Noel is aware of the effect just like how Rachel notices how Naoto's existence is pushing Ragna's out Now that Noel is the Master Unit's core though, my guess is on their consciousness will sublimate into one ala how Jin replaced Embryo Jin in CF (still not sure how it doesn't work for Haku and Jin though, but it might be because both have active Power of Order? That shit broke). The only way to rectify the situation though, was for Noel to split Noel from her host Mu-12 but the damage had already been done; Mu-12 the vessel and playable Noel Vermillion had effectively lived the same life and now that their fates were severed from each other, there is an inconsistency of events just like in the Time of Determination in the Phase Shift timeline shenanigans. Basically, Mu-12 was forced to bear the persona of Kusanagi since that was all she was really created for, but her Noel memories lead to the existential crisis she is facing now. This further reinforces the status of Noel Vermillion being a Chronophantasma or a Phantom of Time since Mu-12's fate was drastically altered by being possessed by Amatarasu/Master Unit/Noel. Its just, we can't have two Noel's running around, so the natural order of the world forced that persona on her since there wasn't any others left in the toybox; the world seemed to accept that Ragna could be a fixed point in Phase Shift for whatever god awful reason, so the world seems to fine with anything so long as it fixes big issues, often taking the path of least resistance (which is true of other things in the real world though). Similar narrative devices occur in comic books where *insert popular comicbook hero/villain here* dies and a seemingly new character takes up the mantle no matter how appropriate it may or may not be. We saw in CF how Master Unit Noel (girl in the blue smock) was huddled and rejected Mu-12 trying to self-identify with her or resublimate. With the whole Gate to the Gods thing, Master Unit Noel is trying to prevent something by forcing the split to be permament that I'm still unsure of the exact nature of. Problem is Mu-12 is faced with experiencing the fates she was supposed to have of being a mindless killing machine out to destroy the world, effectively snapping her sanity to the point she can't perceive genuine sincerity. Real talk, Mu-12 is going through some shit; can't even be "yourself" or the self you though you were because God was like "Nah brah, we get Bad End if that happens. How bout being the anti-Christ that everyone hates?". Didn't the Celica-canceller/synchronization thing get finished so now she no longer cripples him?

Hey ya kyodash, I'll try to explain it as best I can; Chronophantasma is basically an classification for a type of person in Blazblue. The term is somewhat vague though as there are two types of Chronophantasma are used: "Those who should not exist" (a different type of phantom) "Phantom of Time" (actual Latin root reading) Basically, when someone is labeled a "Chronophantasma" it refers to one of these two classifications. Its up to context or further clarification for us to decide which one is valid. To elaborate: "Those who should not exist"-Celica-type Chronophantasma These are basically people like Celica who were copied out of their original timeline and put into a different one just like Kokonoe did to Celica at the end of Phase Shift 4. A common attribute they have is they are immune to Phenomenon intervention. There appears to be a distinction between being ripped from your timeline and being copied from your timeline though as Ragna was ripped from CP's timeline and put into Phase Shift yet was still subject to CP Rachel's Phenomenon intervention (need to reread it since it might not be PI; source) when she spoke through the boundary. They eventually have to die though since they're not real people; think of it as a ghost that eventually has to move on. "Phantom of Time"-Noel/Rachel-type Chronophantasma These are people like Noel or Rachel who "possess a different fate" than the one they're supposed to have. Often explained very vaguely, in CF we have learned Noel is really supposed to be the Master Unit's core, so she was never meant to be the derpy blonde we all know but rather the CPU for that object. Court is still out on Rachel's original fate, but if her origins are similar to Raquel, she may have never meant to have been a person, but that is mere conjecture. In terms of Akashtic record terminology, their fate/destiny isn't actually part of the record itself so they can effectively do anything and are not weighted down by prior restrictions (or the lack thereof). For a concrete example consider how Noel was able to break the CT timeloops when no one else could. All together though, Chronophantasma are basically people that are not supposed to be around in the current timeline for one reason or another and can have serious influence on the timeline either by being a wildcard or passively protecting those around them with their anti-Phenomenon Intervention field. Both are supposedly immune to Phenomenon Intervention (you can't make them forget you've fucked with the timeline with "screen static"), but it seems like Noel often is affected by it so take that for what you will. Celica and Rachel are definitely immune though.

Thought I would compile what we've seen Amane do since he's as vague as CT Rachel but seems more plot relevant as of late: Seemingly adopts war orphans and gets them to work for him Warned Rachel not to get too involved and laughed off her attempt at using Slave Red on him (Rachel CP Arcade) Claimed to be after Carl since he was a pretty boy Shook Bang's conviction by warning him about the growing sense of doubt he was facing Trolled Bullet Talked about how he thought Ragna was interesting Said he didn't care about Carl anymore Felt the disturbance in the force from Nine messing with things and confronted her Told Naoto to GTFO of BB Teased Azrael and got him super hyped Plugged Takamagahara back in Tried to observe Ragna, claiming it would prolong his life Claims his goal is for people to stop messing with the world (ala The Boss from MGS3 or Philanthropy) Knows an alternative to fixing things without murdering Noel We know he knows more than almost everyone, but it wasn't until Act 1 against Nine that he stopped being like CT Rachel and became like CP Rachel where he can tell people stuff and do things (thats the handwave for why he is relevant though). He also has the yet unexplained title of Uzume, but like everyone with a Shinto Mythology name, it means he's god-tier in terms of plot power level just like the Sankishin, Kusanagi, Kushinada's lynchpin, etc. Wonder if his interest in Carl in CP had something to do with his plans or not? Also curious how Takamagahara will factor into things.

Gotta disagree with you on that one Luminos564 since Seigi wielders should cut up exactly anyone their seigi tells them to. It goes SEIGI > Kawai. Rules of nature right there. Definitely agree with you its morally questionable, but nothing is more important than Seigi. Have we ever thought about the "I Have No Mouth, but Must Scream" type horror the Power of Order actually presents though? Like they're physically compelled to act in accordance with Seigi. Like are Hakumen and Jin trapped in their own Seigi-driven-life as in Super Hot where whenever they want to say/do something, Seigi forces them to respond in a certain way? The Power of Order is really subliminal though, so maybe you just believe what you're doing is what you want when its really the Seigi talking. Kind of like indoctrination in Mass Effect if I use a more well-known game. Just wondering if Jin is going to listen to his Seigi when he has to face Ragna. In b4 whatever causes the Power of Order is the true evil.

Naoto's theme is called Jaeger (probably a reference to his Hunter's Eye or Death Note vision) Hibiki's theme is called The Shadow. Credit to Tokkan for the info.

Yo MaximusMurkimus, getting rekt by the strongest sorcerer ever and a god? seems to put someone pretty high up the plot tiers if they're the only ones giving her trouble. Just saying that she could've lost to less OP people than zombie mama and a kawai and lewd death "goddess". Seems to me she is just on the cusp of understanding the plot, but since BB be BB, she hasn't really gotten anywhere, discovering more from Tager strolling around places than actually thinking about things this time around. Tager walks Kokonoe: "IS THAT THE KUSANAGI?! Get if for me Tager." Tager: "Uh Kokonoe...Just saw your mom dragging your aunt away down an alley..." Kokonoe: O_O Tager: "Is that Jubei fighting Terumi over there?" Kokonoe: =O Yeah, plot seems like there are more random encounters since the cast expanded. Needs more cardio.

Relius, formerly One of the Ten Sages: "This scientist girl that never studied magic in Ishana knows more about sorcery than me, one of the strongest mages of my time. You must find Kokonoe, she is your only hope." (real talk he's probably god tier at old school alchemy, but not so good at combat magic) Still bullshit Kokonoe, someone who shuns the use of her sorcery she inherited from Nine. Unless she wasnt always like that.

He can't use the "I'm too old for this shit" excuse either to explain his inaction and lurker plot status because Hakumen is walking around at 20% yet he's Patrick Swayze from Ghost since he doesnt even have a body and still acts like the hero we deserve. SMH vigoursly. Mori better explain this, since I doubt he's been getting bodied pre-CT and embryo Jubei is MIA for everyone's alternate realties (I think he appeared in Plat's acts don't know if flashback though). Don't worry Ogiga99, by BB14 we'll get a shitty 3D story only sprite for Jubei. Just gotta hold out 10 more games when literally every character from Linhua to the cast of Bloodedge Experience makes it in. .

Lets recall the times Jubei got "involved" in the games at least (ignoring flashbacks and PhaseShift): 1.) Trained Ragna (didn't go help him) 2.) Stopped Tager from hurting Litchi in CT (that CG is lol) 3.) Got bodied by "Phantom" in CS offscreen 4.) Wrote Hakumen a letter about how hard he got bodied by "Phantom" 5.) Told Jin in CS: "Hit me up if you want that sweet SEIGI power". 6.) Trained Jin inbetween CS-CP 7.) Trained Platinum before CT 8.) Appeared out of nowhere when he found Celica and was like "Cool story brah, time travel and what not" (Hakumen was like (*whisper*)"SAVE ME!" when he showed up; Mary Sue too stronk) 9.) At the class reunion with Trinity, Valk, Haku, and Rachel they punked Terumi super hard with his weird eyeball. 10.) Got bodied? by Nine in CP 11.) Saved Ragna, Jin, and Saya from that lab, I guess 12.) Ran from the NOL for years in his investigations. 13.) Begged Kokopuffs to get Ragna a new arm (bomb sold separately) I remember when he and Rachel told Ragna about how f'ed the world was and how they "couldn't intervene", which made sense for Rachel. Not sure what he was holding him back then though. Quite the resume for the "World's Strongest".

I believe it is Raquel that tells Naoto that. We don't know the deal with ES yet.

Ogiga99:"I can't! My brain! DAMMIT MORI!!!!! "

Unlimited Nine Footage

No leaks yet for his theme or the Mercury fam Vs. theme.

For posterity now that you bring it up -Seo (if I interpreted what you were saying correctly): Color Key: red=100% meter orange=50% meter "Unblockable"/guard crush attacks Ribcage should tank: Plat's special 5D Naoto's fully charged D attacks Hazama 623D AA Valk wolf 5C Valk wolf 5AAA Vlak wolf JC Terumi 100 meter 236236D/214214D True Unblockables to watch out for in Ribcage mode: Amane's AA 623C Azrael upper/lower marked BHS? Bang's Astral Bullet 41236C command throw Bullet ground 623C Haku DD counter 236236D Max Haku Getsuga Tensho 63214C Tager Atomic Collider 623C Tager Astral Jin DD counter 236236D Kokopuffs black hole 632146D Tao 214214C pummel Naoto Phantom Pain Noel command grab 214A Noel astral Plat JD Lvl3 quake Plat special JD quake Plat special 5D quake Ragna OD 214214D Terumi counter DD *Not up-to-date on Hibiki and Nine's moves So if Myoro's guess is true, we know what to watch out for during ribcage.

I'll have free time on the weekend to put to use alternative notation for combos. So Davo87, you mean like splitting sections to include crouching strings, air-to-air strings, and by starters [...]>5C>2C>6CC>[...] xxx > j.B > j.C > jc.C > j.2C xxx > 2B > 5D ? In my paper tech, I usually just group combos by starter/resource requirements (ie magatama needed for Haku combos etc) only. I noted a few strings, but those were mainly the ones I saw a lot while trying to understand her combo theory. Which type of strings would you like me to focus on?

FYI, near perfect listen of Hibiki's theme is up on Youtube.

I think that Izanami's behavior around Naoto is not seither related. Rather, it seems to have something to do with Naoto's status as Ragna's doppelganger in my eyes. Even Rachel, the person that has known Ragna the longest (if you factor in all those botched CT and CS timelines she went through) mistook Naoto for Ragna at a glance due to their soul similarity. Izanami was definitely upset when Naoto thought she was his sister, but I believe that has more to do with her inheriting Jin's formerly obsessive character traits than anything else (at least from a narrative standpoint). I can't dismiss the possibility that Izanami's reaction is because of Naoto having an "Azure heartbeat" as well though as mentioned in Bloodedge Experience. We know Izanami was handing out Azure bits like they were Halloween candy and there is the whole Amatarasu's drive is Izanami thing, so it might be Azure related by association. I don't recall Ragna ever being described possessing such a thing. Or it could just be that Naoto's status as an "outsider" is the reason. Valk and Nine also think Naoto should get the hell away from the plot so it could likely be the same for Izanami, especially since we saw how Celica (someone who wasn't supposed to be in that timeline) mucked up Terumi's plans in CP since he couldn't save-scum his way through the CP continuum shift anymore like he did in the CS one. That shipped sailed fore me when we had Jin and Hakumen walking around in the same timeline in CT.

I recognize the simplicity and the ease of writing you bring up and have considered it myself. Other members of Dustloop have mentioned we should adopt the Japanese notation (though I don't iknow if they even settled on a standard notation for Nine since she is in a similar boat with various inputs for her spells where people debated colors vs. gem-stone names vs. elements). The problem is there is not exactly a symposium where we discuss combo notation I can clearly site for prospective Izanami mains. As most people prefer to shorten combos into their preferred notation anyway (besides those brave souls that pocket an Evernote when they try a new character), I opted to make it as clear and free of ambiguities as I could (read: beginner language), even if it appears a bit long-winded or tacky. I'm fine with changing them, I just don't want to change it to something that makes sense to me, but not to others. If only the FGC had MLA/APA guideline books for us to follow... One solution, is we could setup a poll to see what notation people prefer and stick with that one, but that may lead to discrepancies with Japanese notation. Your notation definitely makes sense though Myoro, I just feel it isn't something any one person could decide without encountering the regional differences and possible confusion. You can go ask character mods/forum mods their thoughts and I'll happily go with the consensus on the notation. I really do appreciate you being considerate of those players that dislike lots of text though Myoro.

From the combo thread: (corner) (May need ~75% meter at least for the two CTs and DD) normal 2C(fatal counter)->normal CT->normal 6B,41236D (on 6B startup)->normal 214A->short 88 (41236D should now have hit the opponent)->float 5C->float 2C->ground 5C->(jump into float cancel)88->float 5C->float 2C->float 236A->float 5C->float 2C->float 6C->8(float cancel)->normal 6CC->OD cancel->normal 3C->normal CT, 41236D (activate during CTs startup)->normal 236236B (8312 damage) Kou used a string similar to what you are describing (using a 6C ender rather than a 5C though). I attached a video of his timing for reference, but I know 5C's hit box is higher than 6C's. If the timing is the issue, it should be comparable (unless the startups differ more than I think they do). It may be that a 5C ender will work only if your float is low enough, since the starting float height can be vital. Did you enter float after 6A into a float cancel, during an aerial string, or did you start the combo in float mode?